1969 z28 rs crossram
 

hi to all-- i just found a diamond car-a 1969 rs z28 crossram-with 2859 miles 1 owner --now 2--the car has been outside for 25 years and some of the parts are gone-but it has its born with block trans rear and more -i just came back from a 3 hr sit down with the org. owner and taped our conversation-when he bought the car the crossram was in the trunk but he did not have enough money to pay for the option.so the dealer took off the amount for the crossram and sold him the car with no crossram-my question is does anyone have a old picture of how they were in the trunk-- i am restoring the car to 100%-- and i want to put the crossram in the trunk like factory--and how many were made 69 rs silver black stripe red interior crossram z.the owner found his registration cards a bunch of pictures when it was new and a speeding ticket from 1970 and more--thanks for any help-

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Absolute fairy tale.

Chevrolet never offered the cross-ram as an option. If it was in the trunk the dealer put it there.

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2859 miles eh? How about posting a few pics?

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Did Chevrolet only offer them as an over the counter mod? Did any of the CAN AM cars come with them on already? Like Penske Donahue or the one Smoky worked on? I know that Ricks has the original one off of the Penske Camaro and they have it on display! I know that Smoky took that one off and put his "modified" version on that car.

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yea 2859 miles -a- title- 1 owner- i did not know it was a crossram car until i sat with him-- he paid cash-he lives in downtown phildelphia-he showed me where the car sat when it was new-then the photos came out- 3 weeks old it got aluminum slots and went street racing on front street in phila.-- 5 years ago at maple grove speedway swap meet i found a dz 302 still together but rusted and it had the oe. oil filter i started talking to him and we became friends. he told me he still knows where the car is and give him a call-- well 5 years later i get the car-- the trans was inside the car -the rear is still new and was still in the car -jon the org owner gave bill the swap meet guy the title and bill trallered the car up to me -so yesterday i finally got to meet the owner-i said can i tape this no problem he said -so i started out i am here with jon t who bought this 69 camaro silver black stripe red interior flat hood--and he said yes yes--no that had a cowl hood with them 302 emblems-i said are you sure- and then the pictures came out -- well the hood it gone-(they are looking for it this weekend bill and jon may still know where it is )and all i know is there is no hole for the cowl induction wireing so i thought it was a flat hood --than jon said the crossram i could not afford the crossram and they kept it--i just about fell over--there is hours of the story and it is so cool--i just wonder how was a crossram ordered-how it came--see this car never had it installed--jon said it was in the trunk---- and jon is not a real car guy,in phily.there was fast cars street racing but there was no garages and they cared about there cars but not like today-now the car is 90% done every nut and bolt with all the factory overspray-like new- any help on this crossram would be great thanks

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As already stated, the crossram was a dealer item. It was never installed at the assembly line on a factory delivered car. If it was in the trunk the dealer put it there.

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i do know the dealer installed them- but how did they get with the car--and crossram cars have a special hood- with cowl=and no wireing-so the car had to ordered that way from gm-- thanks

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The hood was an over the counter deal also.
I think these guys are playing with ya.
BTW Why are you even taping the guy. Its not like you found the holy grail Z28. Its just another old street racer that needed to be restored in my opinion. The 2000 miles does not mean anything anymore. Ive been in philly all my life and hung down front st every friday and saturday and never heard anything about this car. Good luck with your sale.
Not for nothing but whats the diff how the crossram was in the trunk? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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gto, what do you mean 2000 miles don`t mean anything,the hell it don`t

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Lots of 'cable-yanker' cars out there! I'd rather have an all original car with 100k miles on it vs. a 1k mile car that was hacked up to go racing. So, I think that's what Don meant - the mileage is not always very relevant unless the body/driveline is comparable.

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gto, what do you mean 2000 miles don`t mean anything,the hell it don`t

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2000 miles means boo if the car needs total restoration and doesn't have original drivetrain, especially for a Z28.

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Can we lighten up a bit ? A guy came on here with what he thought was a factory crossram car. Maybe it was a dealer crossram in the trunk or something special. If we are skeptical lets at least try to be polite about it. Telling him a 2000 mile car means nothing is a bit of a stretch.

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thanks charley- but i am excited about this car-it is a -a-title 1 owner-who can be contacted-2850 miles- and beleve me it is not cut up--traction bars and slots-is the only thing-there is no roll bar or nothing it was only street raced----i was told by alot of people this syc website has alot of very smart people and that is why i am here --if everybody here was there with me yesterday it would blow your mind--i had no idea about a crossram until yesterday--and beleve me he did not know alot---exact words were -thoes duel 4 bbls you know the ones mounted crossways(as he showed me with his hands) also i brought 2 other people with me-- and his mom was there -talking about the car-she was on oxygen in a hospital bed in the kitchen-and remember this is down town phildelphia bars on the windows row homes-beleve me this is not made up it is all true--i was just looking to the experts here to tell me the whole crossram story--i know jon was truthfull and his mom-i dont know why it was in the trunk- but thanks for all your help

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Hey Bill, Sometimes if you looked real hard you could find the X-ram underneath the spare tire. But it would have to be a full size spare. Also depends on how they threw the headers in that small trunk area. Sometimes the headers ended up in the back seat. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif In the trunk, behind the door, around the corner etc. is only a figure of speech.

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Get us some pics and I would recommend showing us the car before you start to do a resto on it. Sometimes they are like time capsules and once you mess with it it is gone. Congrats on your purchase.

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Get us some pics and I would recommend showing us the car before you start to do a resto on it. Sometimes they are like time capsules and once you mess with it it is gone. Congrats on your purchase.

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+100!

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hay sam how are you -- i called you yesterday give me a call --yea i looked under the spare-than i thought maybe it was under the front seat -than i ripped the headliner out and wow it was there - the whole set up-- terry still rembers installing one in 1970--- see ya

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I would like to know where you found an original 2k mile 69 Z28 "sitting" in Philadephia. There are more car flippers in PA and guys looking for the stuff in my area than anywhere else in the country probably. I would have heard or someone I know would have heard about that car just sitting in Philly. Pics please?

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I would like to know where you found an original 2k mile 69 Z28 "sitting" in Philadephia. There are more car flippers in PA and guys looking for the stuff in my area than anywhere else in the country probably. I would have heard or someone I know would have heard about that car just sitting in Philly. Pics please?

[/ QUOTE ]..I AGREE......Cause Im ONE of those GUYS...Drivin through alleys and know alot of people in Philly....But...You cant get em all...But PM his name and Where abouts he LIVES..Im just curious to see if I was in the AREA and MISSED IT..!!

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hey bill ,since you already have the car, go ahead tell them were you found the car (exactly were you found the car)south philly?,just curious thanks

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I would like to know where you found an original 2k mile 69 Z28 "sitting" in Philadephia. There are more car flippers in PA and guys looking for the stuff in my area than anywhere else in the country probably. I would have heard or someone I know would have heard about that car just sitting in Philly. Pics please?

[/ QUOTE ]..I AGREE......Cause Im ONE of those GUYS...Drivin through alleys and know alot of people in Philly....But...You cant get em all...But PM his name and Where abouts he LIVES..Im just curious to see if I was in the AREA and MISSED IT..!!

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Come on guys, you can't know where everything is!- You've never found my crap! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif
I scrounge around more then most and am always amazed at what I still find. I spend at least one day a
week traveling neighborhoods and back roads peering down driveways and into yards.
You never know when that garage door will be open, or some other junker will be pulled away to expose some
gem. I found this '68 Z sitting in the back of a trailer park, not too far outside of Philly just a couple
months ago-Hadn't moved in years!
4 spd car, 12 bolt, multi leafs, disc's, gauge console etc.

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hay sam how are you -- i called you yesterday give me a call --yea i looked under the spare-than i thought maybe it was under the front seat -than i ripped the headliner out and wow it was there - the whole set up-- terry still rembers installing one in 1970--- see ya

[/ QUOTE ]Hey Billy, There is a lot of people that can help you here on this site. Give them the info and good things will happen. How's Nate doin?

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C'mon Billy...show us some pics!

Dog...that's a cool Z28 you have pictured there!

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Attention: coololdcars Post some pictures of this silver/red Z and you will have instant credibility and discover a treasure trove of help and knowledge. First though you need to post pictures. All doubt will be eliminated. Did I mention you should post some pictures ?

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I would like to know where you found an original 2k mile 69 Z28 "sitting" in Philadephia. There are more car flippers in PA and guys looking for the stuff in my area than anywhere else in the country probably. I would have heard or someone I know would have heard about that car just sitting in Philly. Pics please?

[/ QUOTE ]..I AGREE......Cause Im ONE of those GUYS...Drivin through alleys and know alot of people in Philly....But...You cant get em all...But PM his name and Where abouts he LIVES..Im just curious to see if I was in the AREA and MISSED IT..!!

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Come on guys, you can't know where everything is!- You've never found my crap! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif
I scrounge around more then most and am always amazed at what I still find. I spend at least one day a
week traveling neighborhoods and back roads peering down driveways and into yards.
You never know when that garage door will be open, or some other junker will be pulled away to expose some
gem. I found this '68 Z sitting in the back of a trailer park, not too far outside of Philly just a couple
months ago-Hadn't moved in years!
4 spd car, 12 bolt, multi leafs, disc's, gauge console etc.

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http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...evy/theone.jpg
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http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t...vy/theonea.jpg
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[/ QUOTE ]..You mean you found a .." FAKE Z/28"...!!

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..You mean you found a .." FAKE Z/28"...!!

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Fake?? It has the emblems!!

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Sounds like a nice find,love to see some as found pix.

P.S.-This topic has more Pa. on lookers then a wet T-shirt contest during a Steelers/Eagles game. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/drool.gif

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Where do you think most of the cars at these big auctions come from? LOL Not much else to do in Pa but work on and drive cars.

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Where do you think most of the cars at these big auctions come from? LOL Not much else to do in Pa but work on and drive cars.

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif Right on. Just another PA guy checking in

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I have heard that second hand from someone who goes to a lot of the Western auctions that most of the cars come from PA. I guess it's the German heritage of being craftsman NAW! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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GTODON you're just who I need. The ZL-1 I am involved with was in Philly 1969-1974, owned by Joe Gastony. It was silver with a black B-M type stripe, sold off the used car lot at Hauser Chev. I have spoken to Joe and would like to know where it went after him. Know anything?

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If coololdcars does not post pics, I'm calling https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif

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hi to all-- i just found a diamond car-a 1969 rs z28 crossram-with 2859 miles 1 owner --now 2--the car has been outside for 25 years and some of the parts are gone-but it has its born with block trans rear and more -i just came back from a 3 hr sit down with the org. owner and taped our conversation-when he bought the car the crossram was in the trunk but he did not have enough money to pay for the option.so the dealer took off the amount for the crossram and sold him the car with no crossram-my question is does anyone have a old picture of how they were in the trunk-- i am restoring the car to 100%-- and i want to put the crossram in the trunk like factory--and how many were made 69 rs silver black stripe red interior crossram z.the owner found his registration cards a bunch of pictures when it was new and a speeding ticket from 1970 and more--thanks for any help-

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By the way, did the guy know you were taping him and give his consent? Otherwise, you just committed a felony. PA is a 2-party consensual monitoring state. Unless you are a law enforcement officer, and conducting an investigation, you cannot record another person's conversation (in PA) without their permission. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/blush.gif

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yea 2859 miles -a- title- 1 owner- i did not know it was a crossram car until i sat with him-- he paid cash-he lives in downtown phildelphia-he showed me where the car sat when it was new-then the photos came out- 3 weeks old it got aluminum slots and went street racing on front street in phila.-- 5 years ago at maple grove speedway swap meet i found a dz 302 still together but rusted and it had the oe. oil filter i started talking to him and we became friends. he told me he still knows where the car is and give him a call-- well 5 years later i get the car-- the trans was inside the car -the rear is still new and was still in the car -jon the org owner gave bill the swap meet guy the title and bill trallered the car up to me -so yesterday i finally got to meet the owner-i said can i tape this no problem he said -so i started out i am here with jon t who bought this 69 camaro silver black stripe red interior flat hood--and he said yes yes--no that had a cowl hood with them 302 emblems-i said are you sure- and then the pictures came out -- well the hood it gone-(they are looking for it this weekend bill and jon may still know where it is )and all i know is there is no hole for the cowl induction wireing so i thought it was a flat hood --than jon said the crossram i could not afford the crossram and they kept it--i just about fell over--there is hours of the story and it is so cool--i just wonder how was a crossram ordered-how it came--see this car never had it installed--jon said it was in the trunk---- and jon is not a real car guy,in phily.there was fast cars street racing but there was no garages and they cared about there cars but not like today-now the car is 90% done every nut and bolt with all the factory overspray-like new- any help on this crossram would be great thanks

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according to this post he did...it's about half-way through the paragraph...

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ay ay ay...you guys are brutal....give the guy a chance...I was born in Philly myself and have scrounged around that area myself for years...there are still a few cars out there..believe me...but, 99.9% are in a garage or you cannot see from the road...I am a Land Surveyor, so often I get to go into peoples back yards where you cant see the cars from the road...I also peek into garage windows too when I am working...believe me, if you can see it from the road, atleast 1000 people have knocked already...but there are a few still hidden away...

As far as 2000 original miles not meaning a thing ... whether this car exists or not is irrevelant...I would sure rather have a 2000 mile ex-racer than a 200k mile ex-racer...It sure means something to me...

And the x-ram story...who knows...but when I spoke to the original owners brother of my JL-8 car, he explained that when he and his brother went to buy the car, they had 2 Z-28s on the lot...one with a x-ram in the trunk..and the JL-8 car that his brother ended up buying...They decided to buy the JL-8 car because they went right out and bought an aftermarket x-ram and installed it on the car much cheaper than the dealer mark-up for the x-ram option...I really believe his story because when I bought the car from the 4th or 5th owner(cant remember) he offered me an old aftermarket x-ram intake and carbs for an extra fee that he said he got with the car when he bought it ...The sellers story all came together a few months later when I got in touch with the original owners brother..

Remember that if this story is true, the original owner is going from memory only...the original owner of my low mile 67 Z ex-racer told me a ton of stories..some are probably not totally exact, but the main idea of our conversation is probably close to reality...(and yes, I already did post pics...my car does exist..hehehe)..and I too videotaped our conversation (with his permission of course)

at this point if I were the current owner of this car (assuming this story is true), I would not even return to this website based on the treatment he has recieved...I am a skeptic myself..but this story sounds a lot more reasonable than the floating hemis or the ZL-1 motor in the dually...as I said about that story...time will tell the truth..lets wait a while longer and see...

just my .02

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that was joey talking about the floating hemi and the ZL1 in the dually, if i were coololdcars i would be taking some pics of that car ,and be putting on this site...just my opinion...if not i smell b.s. richie..

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Didn't Jay Leno find a Duisenberg (sp?) in a NYC parking garage?
Lets give this guy a chance to show photos of the cars...

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that was joey talking about the floating hemi and the ZL1 in the dually, if i were coololdcars i would be taking some pics of that car ,and be putting on this site...just my opinion...if not i smell b.s. richie..

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No offense, but your opinion sucks.

Why is everyone being so harsh?

What stinks is not the story, but the posts from some of you.

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hey coololdcars is the one who posted (diamond in the ruff)find ,guys want to see some pic`s thats all