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The Parts Place in Illinois has ebay auctions announcing the reproduction cylinder heads for Pontiac 1969,1970 Ram Air IV,1971 455HO and 1973-74 455 SD. Also Oldsmobile W30 heads for 1968,1969,1970 and 1971. The ebay # are 230185575410 and 230185575300.

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Any feedback re:the olds w30 heads?

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Yeah. Just what we need another coupla hundred fake W30's. As if there aren't enough of them out there already....... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

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……….Send in the clones. This is another sad day for true Oldsmobile enthusiasts. The problem with fraudulent and dishonest Oldsmobile W-30 sellers is already at epic proportions. But it now will become an epidemic. We just have to look at the spring Mecum Belvidere, Illinois auction to see a recent example of this at which time a car broker sold a 1971 black & white W-30 convertible clone for 170K. The car was represented as a legitimate four speed car but had air conditioning, power brakes, a spoiler and the wrong heads-but some unsuspecting buyer did not seem to care. Special thanks must go out to “Parts Place Joe” for helping propagate an already completely dishonest hobby. But I am sure his bank account will continue to flourish in the future with the addition of these new D, F and H Oldsmobile heads. Sadly this hobby has become completely distasteful. Now 99.9 percent of the W-30s for sale or coming through major auction houses are not legitimate W-30s but just well assembled clones. With the new addition of these heads all the pieces for perfect W-30 clones are available. From what I understand there is even perfectly aged counterfeit Oldsmobile broadcast sheets, exact duplicate OW transmission tags, Intakes, Red inner fenders etc… There is really no way to distinguish what is authentic anymore. I spoke with a very well know Oldsmobile restorer collector recently & he stated that almost ever W-30 he has recently seen sold in public was not truly a legitimate W-machine. He said that most of the true & legitimate W-30 convertible four speed cars are in the hands of wealthy private collectors that really have no need to sell their cars. He said if a legitimate W-30 convertible four-speed car does come up for sale it is almost always done in private. He said these cars have become so rare & sought after that they generally move from one collector’s hand to another collector with no public knowledge of the sale. He said there have been sales reaching astronomical numbers for perfectly concours restored 1970 W-30 convertible four speed cars with unquestioned pedigrees. But they have completely escaped the public arena. Sadly for the W-30s and the LS-6 cars without the benefit of a historical service that the Pontiac & Buick community enjoy, the level and quality of fake W-30 and LS-6 cars is just going to increase to an unbelievable level. I guess it does make the authentic W-30 or LS-6 cars almost priceless if you can prove out its pedigree. But sadly it also has made the hobby so dishonest & distasteful that you almost want nothing to do with it anymore. I believe that is why so many Muscle Car enthusiast have gotten away from the whole numbers matching concours aspect of the hobby and have gotten heavily involved with the Pure Stocks etc… But in reality that is what the cars were truly made for anyway.

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I think you're being a little hard on Parts Place Joe. Sure, he's making a good living but he's helping to reproduce what a lot of us couldn't afford otherwise.

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Hey Wheelhop,

I really have no problem with a lot of the reproduction restoration parts. But when we start reproducing certain very rare items such as Oldsmobile D, F and H cylinder heads that becomes a problem. Now we are going to see numerous examples of cars being represented as legitimate W-30s when clearly they are not. In the past the cylinder heads made it at least a somewhat difficult proposition for the unscrupulous sellers to create super accurate clones because it was cost prohibitive and certain items were very difficult to find. With a set of 71 H Olds W-30 cylinder heads for example currently bringing prices north of 15K it made it at least difficult for many to create bogus cars. But now with these wonderful creations of D, F and H cylinder heads for a couple thousand dollars from Parts Joe we will see an incredible influx of very accurate clones being represented and sold as authentic W-30s. That is were the real rub of this comes in. I have NO problem with people trying to restore their cars accurately with high quality reproduction parts but unfortunately that is not where the story ends. Many people who are in this hobby today care about only one thing and that is MONEY. They do not care who they hurt or what they do as long as they come out on top with a lot of zeros at the end of their bank accounts

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If someone sets out to clone a W30 to flip then a set of reproduction heads isn't gonna make/break the deal, nor will the water be any less murky...without the repro heads they would have just hung a set of real heads on it...I sure hope folks aren't basing too many buys solely on which heads are on car wears!

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when we start reproducing certain very rare items such as Oldsmobile D, F and H cylinder heads that becomes a problem.

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it's a problem only if you just paid 5 grand for a set of 37 year old H's,or if youre trying to sell some H heads for 5 grand https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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Unfortunately for Olds, most all of the value of the car (or clone) will go with having the correct heads. For the '69 H/O (I will speak on that car because of my experience) documentation is very iffy. So when documents become iffy, the parts of the car start to lay out the truth of the vehicle. D heads were only for '68 and '69 w-30 cars and '68/9 H/O's. F heads only for '70 w-30 cars and H heads for '71 w-30 only. For the '69 Hurst, the heads, mirrors, intake, wheels and transmission codes were special to the car. Outside of those parts, everything else was standard issue Cutlass and 442. Recently, a partial list of cars converted at Demmer Engineering was found. Unfortuately, it is not a complete list. 2x for me as my car was not on that list. I know that my car is ligit, but paperwork is not there to support it. I have owned my car for 12 years now and I talked with the second owner of the car.

Now, we have reproduction mirrors, hood scoops, rear wings, dual gates, consoles, rims can be made, rough intake manifolds, and now reproduction heads. Soon, someone will come out with transmission tags. At that point and time, I will have what my car really is, a glorified 442 with special paint. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/mad.gif I know that it really won't affect me because the car will not leave my possession, but some guys who bought the cars for money will really be crying the blues. It will turn into a 2 class system. 1)that you are already in the loop and might be offered the cars that are true and rare and will have opportunity to own a real car, or 2) you will be on the outside looking in and getting duped with clones. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

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I purchased a real '70 W-30 from the original. After about 10 minutes of looking for a build sheet I found two. The original motor was long gone since the seventies.So,if I buy a pair of new repop casting for $2,500 rather then a original pair for about $10k(that might I have a defect)that would make my car any less real?

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That's a great point. What about the guys with the paper work/ documentation and their motor is missing or the heads are cracked. Now they can go out and get a repop set of heads and not have to refinance their mortgage to do it.

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So,if I buy a pair of new repop casting for $2,500 rather then a original pair for about $10k(that might I have a defect)that would make my car any less real?

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it is still a documented 70 w-30,which is still rare,no matter what heads are on any motor.
what people seem to forget is 455's were toast after being beat on back then,and most original motors were chucked after puking their bearings,or crank.
so not having the original motor is somewhat of a big deal,having the docs to prove it's heritage makes a difference,too.

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You just need to give "Parts Joe" a chance. I am sure he will start reproducing the Oldsmobile 396021F 455 blocks among others with blank engine ID pads very soon. Maybe it will come with a complete re-stamping kit so we can all get our clone W-30s or LS-6 Chevelles perfect. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif Hey maybe he will also throw in a perfect reproduction broadcast sheet and OW trans tag at no extra charge. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif Great post Rusty-it said it all-Thanks John

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it's a problem only if you just paid 5 grand for a set of 37 year old H's,or if youre trying to sell some H heads for 5 grand https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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Sometimes this is when I am glad the reproduction market steps in, when the guys WHOARDING this rare stuff drives the prices though the roof for their own benefit. Remember 67 Chevelle GM SS Hood's in the 90's? 1,000 for a nice one. Then the repops came out and guys lost their shirts on the hoods that they were whoarding. The guys in the reproduction business try to get a piece of the pie too. I can't blame them at all. Thumbs up to the reproduction guys who make what some of us can't afford, more affordable to us. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif
Matt

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But isn't really about mis-representation more than whether a car is a clone or not?

As a "car guy" I don't have a problem with somenone building a tribute car because they can't afford the real thing. Trying to sell it by lying about it's "correctness", is the issue.

Only consider myself knowledgable about Olds, so I can't say that this goes for other makes or not, but here goes.....

Anyone that knows anything about the W30's knows that unless it's a 72 or has bullet proof documentation, you treat it as a "could be" W30. Period. If you pay $175K for one one of these "could be's with incorrect/unavailable parts to boot, your a fool. If you don't know enough to even find someone that does know enough......well, you get the picture.

Sorry for the novel.

I put a repop W30 intake on my 72 because the originals were all over $600.00 and the vast majority were garbage.

Thanks Parts Place!

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Anyone that knows anything about the W30's knows that unless it's a 72 or has bullet proof documentation, you treat it as a "could be" W30.

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w-31's are sort of the same way,except it's the balancer,not the heads that people seem to look for,or a broadcast sheet.

wait until those reproduction w-31 balancers start hitting ebay.
priced at $800.
looks like production will be starting soon,too. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Gentleman: its a great and wonderful thing joe did for the average man-he's making it afordadable to own a car of your youth-befor all the Sc#%B#g horders and Barret/Jackson syfphalitic midget leaches drove the price of these cars half way to Bagdad. I like the idea of the 4spd/w30 HO verts now being built-Lets get those continuation production lines going-501 69 W30/4spd hurst olds verts by 31 Dec 2007-That should be enough production to recertify for NHRA. I also like 455hos idea of engine stamping kits-definite-need-there-just ask the 1967 427/435 vette guys! Yea lets get those 400 turbo OW tags on the market for 9.95 or less- I like it!For those of you who paid $5000 for a set of w30/fs or a set of RAIV 722/614 now that the new stuff is half-thats just the way it is-next time don't try to hoard or drive the price of something thru the roof because justice, also known as market forces, may come into play and may spank your wanker.

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......See this is the problem with Joe’s repo D, F and H heads. Now every hillbilly with two grand is going to make a perfect W-30 clone and sell it at the upcoming Mecum auction as authentic. Unfortunately the fakes are SO GOOD now even the experts can’t tell. I think it is pretty naïve to think that everyone who buys these “Parts Place” repro heads has good intentions. Unfortunately money & greed is driving a great deal of the Muscle Car hobby today. After seeing several collectors burned badly recently on faked W30s - maybe I am more cynical than most. By the way these were not just novice Oldsmobile collectors. These were Olds guys who have years & years of experience dealing with and restoring Oldsmobile W-30s. But at least the trial lawyers will be happy, as it has now created a whole new market for them in dealing with collector car fraud. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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Now more than ever, there is NO substitute for real paperwork, documentation, and OWNER HISTORY...

I agree - guys that want performance buy Edelbrock heads or the like, guys that want to build convincing fakes to defraud buyers LOVE repo heads, intakes,balancers, build sheets, P-O-P's, etc.

I have 2 '71 W30 cars, both with real window stickers, multiple build sheets, and bulletproof history (both purchased from their 2nd owners, one owned since '77, one since '71). 5 years ago I would have taken a chance on buying one without this kind of history, but not now.

Somebody mentioned 67 427/435 Vette guys and stampers- there is a reason why those cars aren't worth more, and it is coming our way https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

Colin

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CSX289; I love repo heads,intakes,balancers,dual gates and ALL other repo parts. But not for fraud, you guys all know about the 442, gtx, gto, chevelle, mustang, vett you parted out and not just one of them 15-20 years ago, cars that today could be brought back, perhaps with one (2?) foot in the crusher-the car would have been so bad we would name it Lazarus!-I am as GUILTY! I send a good, complete non running 67 4spd GTO to the junk yard because I didn't have the time. These exact repo parts allow us to turn the clock back with what bodies are remaining and produce that w-30 we blew up in 75 or that 69 RA-IV we parted out in 82. I won't even discuss the 396 nova SS we totaled and wraped around a tree on newyears eve 1977! Lets not be so upset on these special repo parts being made.

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Seeing reproduction RAIV, 455HO, or W-30 heads doesn’t really surprise me, especially considering the parties involved. The entire Musclecar world is being reproduced! Being a Pontiac guy, I'm grateful we have PHS to authenticate a car. The reproduction of RAIV or 455HO heads (I guess the SD455 heads can't be far behind) will now allow people to clone all sorts of rare Pontiacs. However, it all goes back to the PHS documentation to see if it’s real. Unfortunately, because PHS is considered THE final word in the Pontiac community, we now have people that forge PHS invoices. They can take a 1969 Lemans invoice, scan it into their computer, change or add option codes, order up a forged trim tag, and voila, instant RAIV Judge! By adding repro RAIV heads into the equation, it just adds another element of doubt when trying to purchase one of these rare cars.

As more and more perfect clones appear, the prices for the authentics will go down, and it will damage their value. We’ve already seen a slump in prices in recent months for authentics (the Hemi cars are way down), and I believe it’s directly related to the fact that more and more clones are flooding the market. The supply and demand chain for authentics has shifted to the point where it’s now a buyer’s market. Granted, there will always be a market for those that seek true authenticity, and will be willing to pay 6 figures. But as more and more rare parts get reproduced (W-30 intake, W-30 heads, etc), and more and more perfect clones appear at auction houses, the demand (and prices) for the authentics will go down.

As we all know, there is a huge market for those wanting to purchase a car that is, mechanically and cosmetically, a perfect copy of a rare and desirable Musclecar, and for half the price of the real-deal. I believe it’s this segment of the market where these repro heads will fit in. Cars with somewhat questionable history, or cars that are flat out forgeries, will now be able to add another element of doubt as to their cars authenticity.

In my opinion, I would think that anyone with a true documented 70-72 W-30 car (or a 69-70 RAIV GTO or Firebird, or a 71-72 455HO car) that’s going through a full restoration, but are missing their original heads, would want to find original factory heads, and would not be interested in these repros.

So for Olds owners, I understand their concern about the W-30 heads being reproduced. With a forged trim tag, phony documentation, restamped block, reproduction W-30 heads, intake, hood, fenders, and air cleaner, counterfeit W-30’s are becoming as common as 1969 Z/28’s. To buy a real W-30 car nowadays, you almost need a hire a private detective to trace the owner history, conduct interviews with close relatives, perform lie detector tests, and while you’re at it, hire someone to perform metallurgy tests on the trim tag and VIN plates to see if they’re truly 35+ years old. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif It’s really out of hand now, which is why I believe the market is softening for authentics.

Hey, I just received the new Musclecar Enthusiast Magazine, which has excellent articles (written by the very under appreciated Paul Zazzarine) on the 1966 L-69 442, 1966 W-30 442, and the 1966 Track-Pak W-30, all of which utilized the very rare, one year only Olds Tri-Carb intake.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/66-1966-O...sspagenameZWDVW

Now where’s my reproduction chrome 1966 Tri-Carb W-30 air cleaner? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Now where’s my reproduction chrome 1966 Tri-Carb W-30 air cleaner? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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They'll be along shortly. Number stamped, between 1 and 154, for an extra charge no doubt.

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Hi Mike,

Fantastic post-very well said. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif You and I both realize first hand what a problem this has become among the Oldsmobile community. It is very sad when all the money got involved with the hobby-so did all the dishonesty. It really has ruined it. Like you said money truly is the root of all that is evil. Oh well, I think I will just stick to Frankenstein heads from here on out. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

Take care!
John

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As more and more perfect clones appear, the prices for the authentics will go down,



Huh ?????????? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif If anything all the cloning has made the authentic cars even more valuable. Just because there are numerous replicas available of Leonardo Da Vinci’s painting of Mona Lisa (I guess I’m to believe that the original is worthless). I think it might be time for a bit of a reality check stealthbird and ho455. The cloning of both the W-30 and LS-6 rags especially has made the authentic cars invaluable. Because of the smaller & smaller crop of true documented 30s and LS-6 cars that exist today we have seen the prices skyrocket as of late. When I flew into Illinois for the fall Mecum auction, the one LS-6 vert that was offered had bids of over 400K and the reserve was still on. P. Klute paid 400K at recent auction for black/tan 1970 RAIV 1970 Judge vert. The current HMM GTO Judge vert cover car would pull even more. The only fully documented W-30 rag I have seen recently for sale was sold during the Olds club Nats. It was an original 1970 red /black four speed car. It looked like it came out of the grave and was in need of a complete resto but still sold for 360K. There have been other 30 rags w/4spds in perfect condition with docs that have sold for a whole lot more coin. LS-6, W-30 and RAIV Judge coupes with documentation routinely sell for above six figures. So if the market is softening for authentics, I sure haven’t seen it!!!

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Hi Mike,

.... Like you said money truly is the root of all that is evil....
Take care!
John

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Correction: It is the 'LOVE of money that is the root of all evil'!

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It was an original 1970 red /black four speed car. It looked like it came out of the grave and was in need of a complete resto but still sold for 360K.

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sounds like somebody had a ton of money to hide from Uncle Sam. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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The car shown at the Olds nats had been listed on ebay. The owner pulled the listing and displayed the car at the Olds Nats. He then took the car home to Chicago.
The highest price I know of for a 1970 W-30 Rag with 4 speed is $225,000.
If anyone know of a higher recent sale,let me know.

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RM Schimel

I agree that there have been private sales of Oldsmobile 442 W-30 convertibles and LS-6 Chevelles with ironclad pedigrees for large amounts. If you look at my earlier post we are on agreement on this subject. But where I am having a big problem is when unscrupulous people knowingly set out to make a car something it is not with the sole intent to defraud another person. That is why I am upset with all these reproduction Oldsmobile parts such as D, F and H cylinder heads, as it will make the ability to create super accurate clone W-30s that much easier to make.

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------I think that red W-car was the one discovered in Port Huron,Mi. I heard about it fairly early on and was offered the car for 65 Gs. I had no idea of 70 W30 4spd vert values (I guess I do now) and said I wanted a day to think about it. The day time period was agreed to but not honored and the seller sold it for app. $80,000. Matter of fact the day period was not honored by about 22 hours as I called back in two hours to buy it and it was sold. To say I no longer do trust that seller would be a humungous understatement. By the way,,,It was missing only the original tires, battery, and a hose or two,,,,thats it!!!!!!.........Bill S

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I see a few people mentioned 'transmission tags'. Has anyone moticed on ebay that the 'Parts Place' has several codes available?I think it's great that the'Parts Place' has taken on reproductions of parts the other suppliers won't take the chance on.

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Here we go again. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/crazy.gif I guess if you can't beat them you might as well join them! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-CUTL...emZ230189987583

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-OLDS...emZ230190485936

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I cant really see why everyone has their panties in a bunch over these heads. If they are anything like the intakes, W27 covers, red inner wells, OAI, or hoods, you can spot them from a mile away....so you have to work a little harder to make sure you dont get screwed....what else is new! Nothing anyone can do about it....heck you might be better off and learn new things in the process...(Im not usually a glass half full kinda guy...).
So has anyone with a respectable amount of Olds/W-Machine knowledge actually touched these things? What about date codes? Its very unlikely that these will be perfect knock offs.
Just like vintage guitars...there are people reproducing mega rare parts (see 1959 Les Pauls) and making a tidy sum doing so....that has done nothing to the value of the real things.......except maybe help inflate the values....I'm not so sure this does anything to make it tougher to authenticate a W-Machine.

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Sorry, I just got back to this thread.

With all the clone information available on the internet, such as where hidden VIN’s are located, how to tell a repro part from an authentic, what font was used for stamping specific parts, etc, the number of clone W-30’s is growing, and it’s getting almost impossible to discern a well done clone from an authentic. Even noted experts can be fooled. I keep hearing the recurring theme of “check for documentation”, but documentation can be forged, and aged, and can be discernable from an original 30 year old document (this is also known as “Dan Rather Syndrome”), and repro parts can be doctored to look authentic.

On vintage guitars, if every guitar player you see has a near perfect 1959 Les Paul knockoff, do you believe anyone in the audience really cares when that one guitar player is playing a real 1959 Les Paul? Can you tell if it’s a fake from the 3rd row? So when I see 5 1970 W-30’s at a local car show, and someone states one of them is actually a real one, I’m sorry, I don’t immediately run over to the real one and hump the gas tank. I used to, but now I’m on medication. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

The values of Yenko Camaros, LS6 cars, and especially Hemi cars, have definitely gone down in recent months. Is it the economy, or the fact that every auction house now seems to be littered with dozens of clones of these cars? I believe the audience is dwindling for those that will pay $10,000 for a Rolex, when the $500 counterfeit will garner just as much attention and respect at the country club. And they both tell time. It’s “Invasion Of The Musclecar Snatchers”, and eventually, the real cars will be the anomaly.

I don’t have a problem with the W-30 or RAIV heads being reproduced. It’s just another item that now will have to be checked very carefully before buying one of these cars. However, reproducing a major mechanical part like a cylinder head (or crankshaft, etc) is a far cry from reproducing a steering wheel centercap. I would like to know if these heads have the same wall thicknesses, tolerances, and materials quality as the originals. Some aftermarket heads, designed for performance, can suffer from misaligned ports, oil drainback issues, thin decks, thin water jacket walls, and a number of other problems. We take all of these things for granted when we use original GM heads, because GM heads were always well engineered and built to last. I’ve read that some folks want these heads for Pure Stock racing, so they can begin their builds with unmolested, unported heads. But if am to trust my 6000 rpm engine on the dragstrip to a set of aftermarket heads that may not have the same build quality and materials as original GM heads, I wouldn’t be rushing to buy a set. Hopefully, these heads will not just be reproduced for cosmetic purposes in order to satisfy the Grey Poupon, tire-booty types at car shows. I hope they will have the same high quality as an original GM head.

I apologize to anyone that I may have offended that prefers collecting, investing, and flipping cars for profit, over my interests, which are geared more towards Pure Stocks, cruise nights, test-and-tunes, and promoting the history of the Musclecar Era. Different strokes for different folks.
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By the way, John (HO455) owns a real 69 H/O, and he’s probably seen more W-30 clones over the last 20 years than Hillary Clinton has dimples on her thighs. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif
Hey John, did you ever get your H/O painted?

Mike

P.S. – No, I haven’t seen Stacy Peterson in my town, so everyone please stop asking.
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So when I see 5 1970 W-30’s at a local car show, and someone states one of them is actually a real one, I’m sorry, I don’t immediately run over to the real one and hump the gas tank. I used to, but now I’m on medication.

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif LMAO! and about spit my coffee all the place,thnx https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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And heap big prices make Pontiac Chief scratch head. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...em=200174727555

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^ Very nice 'Bird... but who's name was rubbed off the passenger side headrest to put Wangers on? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Man it is just not my day! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...em=230192710672

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And heap big prices make Pontiac Chief scratch head. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...em=200174727555

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my original drive train older restoration FOUR SPEED 69 TA is now available at half price!and for the 250k i will throw in a mint 02 bmw M3 convertible.......any takers

John https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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At least the Pontiac guys have the "Clone Ranger" behind them in PHS. All the Olds people have is what has been passed down from one person to another.

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Very well said Canuck. I am just completely fed up with seeing CLONES. Every Cutlass has been turned into a W-30 or at least striped like one, every LeMans a GTO, every 69 Firebird is either completely or partially been turned into a 69 Trans Am. It would be a miracle to see someone leave a car the way appeared when it left the factory. I would be greatly impressed to see a regular LeMans, 69 Firebird, 442 or even a Cutlass S that appeared the way it was born. Now that would be impressive. But big thanks must again go out to that lowlife Parts Place Joe because now every 69 cutlass I see will soon look like a 69 Hurst Olds - thanks again. But from what I understand all he owns is clones anyway so why not keep the population growing and get rich while doing it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif