value of a ZL 1 clone with a real ZL1 motor
 

A friend of mine is building a clone Zl1 with the original motor out of car #40 just wondering what a car like that would be worth.

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About 20,000.00 less than he will have in it!!

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probably 60-100,000 if its nice

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jl8z28
If you don't mind me asking, were was zl1 motor #40 purchase from.
Thanks

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from a machine shop that had it since 1969. The owner is not really sure how he got it,but it is like a brand new motor.

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Is it wrong to ask if there's been attempts to reunite the motor w/ car existing car #40?.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet...568864225QQrdZ1

If this is indeed the original engine shipped between the rails of ZL-1 #40 and has not been decked, the value of this motor alone should greatly influence the value of your friend's clone?.

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He offered the motor to Heartbeat Jim the owner of car # 40 and jim did not want it. The block has been verified by Jerry MacNeish to be the original block. It has all the numbers and dates,and was found not far from where the car was sold new. So now he plans to make a clone or possably sell the motor.

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Hey jl8z28
Thanks for that info.Any spec.on your friends clone?

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I just don't get it. How could the owner of ZL-1 #40 not want thee original engine for his car? That's the heartbeat of that ZL-1! Picking that engine up to reunite with the car would have been absolutely, positively, the right thing to have done, no way is that car on ebay worth the money it was bid to without the orginal engine.

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He plans to make a green car with black interior, m21

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I'm also surprised that Jim had no interest to get the original motor for his ZL1. But then I think Ed C. was offered the original motor for his ZL1 #46 (I think) and he passed as well! I think it would be great to see these cars reunited with their original motors but I can understand from a financial position that sometimes these things just aren't meant to happen.

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I'm also surprised that Jim had no interest to get the original motor for his ZL1. But then I think Ed C. was offered the original motor for his ZL1 #46 (I think) and he passed as well!

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Since the owner of the car theoretically should want the original motor the most, I wonder if that translated into a ridiculously high price for it. I could see a car owner passing on an engine if he felt like he was being gouged on the price. Not saying that happened here - just my .02

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Exactly. Its like a ransom request where the victims refused to pay Good for them,thier cars are worth about the same anyway,and the fact its known the original motor is out there[and where it is exactly] its almost as good as having it.

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The owner is asking 1.4 mil for the car and does not want the orignal motor. King you sell motors for more than he is asking.

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------Rainer,,,,I know for a fact that you are correct. I also have been in same position more than once. On the other side of the coin, I have had original to existing cars engines and I always wanted to get the engine reunited with the car no matter what. Just seemed right........Bill S

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I'm also surprised that Jim had no interest to get the original motor for his ZL1. But then I think Ed C. was offered the original motor for his ZL1 #46 (I think) and he passed as well! I think it would be great to see these cars reunited with their original motors but I can understand from a financial position that sometimes these things just aren't meant to happen.

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There is a long history regarding Ed's ZL1 and the original engine. He did try to purchase it many years ago. If I remember correctly his original Paint ZL1 was show cased right next to the actual engine. This was at the Chevy Vette Fest back in the late 1980s early 90s.

Back when Bob Ashton's world revolved around Mopars???

Also, there was a ZL1 clone which claimed to have an engine from one of the original 69, no 71, no 72 ZL1s produced. It was sold at this past Barrett Jackson auction.

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If hes selling it for less than some motors i sell,id be a buyer for it myself. Have him contact me and ill pay a finders fee too.

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It would nice to see it happen and everyone is cool with things at the end.

Came up here a few months back : https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat...true#Post255935


King, just out of curiosity, if you had this motor what would you think would be the fair market value?

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What is the asking price for the motor?

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Exactly. Its like a ransom request where the victims refused to pay Good for them,thier cars are worth about the same anyway,and the fact its known the original motor is out there[and where it is exactly] its almost as good as having it.

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That's an interesting statement. As long as you know it exists and you know where it is, maybe its not necessary to purchase the motor at ransom prices.

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If someone here posted they had the original motor to one of my cars ,id be less inclined to want it/or to pay big money for it than if they had contacted me privately and said they had it and didnt let me know where it was. Ill also bet that if it wasnt a ZL1 it would be more desirable to the cars authenticity simply because the VIN #s of zl1s are known so the motor is less important. If the vins werent known on these cars,that zl1 motor would be priceless to the zl1 owner. And again by someone saying they have your motor and they said what it is publicly,theyve actually given you some free documentation and you dont really need it as bad .

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Without that original engine, then what makes the ZL-1 Camaro so desireable? It is just like another Camaro with TI, M22 & HD 4:10 axles, an iron block COPO would be just as valuable.

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Without that original engine, then what makes the ZL-1 Camaro so desireable? It is just like another Camaro with TI, M22 & HD 4:10 axles, an iron block COPO would be just as valuable.

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I Agree. I'd rather have a proper "clone" with a real ZL1 driveline than a "ZL1" with a "Clone" driveline.

My 02.,
Rich

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Agree. I'd rather have a proper "clone" with a real ZL1 driveline than a "ZL1" with a "Clone" driveline

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Agree. I'd rather have a proper "clone" with a real ZL1 driveline than a "ZL1" with a "Clone" driveline

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What I'd really like is a LM1 car with a ZL1 Engine (Hey! They both end in 1's!). Certified, of course.

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Uhhh..OK. So if a real documented ZL1 with wrong engine and a clone of a ZL1 with a real ZL1 engine were both offered to you for the same price you would take the clone.

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I'd be interested in your take on this scenario...
I've been trying to buy a local car off a guy for a looong time. The car is rare (but non-matching), so I've spent years tracking down its original motor in case I eventually get to buy the car - I followed a lot of rumors and went down a LOT of deadend roads. One day... there's a motor for sale in the local paper and (after recognizing the VIN) I buy the motor... its never been decked and all original! I've been straight forward with the owner of the car telling him that I found and bought the car's original motor. I still want to buy his car, but now he wants to buy the motor... and the car continues to sit on a couple of flat tires - as it has for the last twenty years (at least its not outside anymore).

So now what should I do? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Hey L78.... you should keep in touch, but you should wait it out!!! I guess it depends on how old you are...but I bought the original motor from my ZL-1 many years before eventually purchasing the car...The owner of the car actually found me...and called and begged me to sell him the motor every couple months...we actually became friends and I actually went and saw the car years before he eventually decided to sell... I always joked that he was older than me and that i would buy the car from his son once he died...(thank God that didnt happen...I'd really feel like crap now)...anyway, as the saying goes...Good things come to those who wait. Good Luck!!! What kind of car is it anyway??

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Make him a very fair offer on the car. He might then at least start thinking about what he could do with the money.

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Uhhh..OK. So if a real documented ZL1 with wrong engine and a clone of a ZL1 with a real ZL1 engine were both offered to you for the same price you would take the clone.

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Ahh, that's the rub, same price? Then neither.
BUT, if I was offered a ZL1 with a clone engine for 1mil or a clone car with a ZL1 driveline for 100k, then yes, i'd rather have the real engine car.

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And I guess the other side of the same thought would be if you blew the engine in the real car/clone engine you could just buy another one........

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Either car for the same price and you would take neither ?

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I find it intriging to put a value on the missing engine. If a real ZL1 is worth 1 mil or more without its original engine then what's the engine worth? 5%, 10%, 20% of the cars value. The owner of the car might not want it bad enough to pay the ransom but I've paid much more than a 20% premium for an original drivetrain car vs. a comparable restoration engined car. Your Thoughts...

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I believe the drivetrain is at least equal in monetary value to the body on a rare optioned model. When you look in different value guides, read the amount of percentages that are attributed to the engine options! In Corvettes look at L-88's or ZL-1's or LS-6's they are listed at, add 300% or 500% to the 5 different grades assigned to the car.
Normal engine options are given a monetary figure such as add $5000.00 for LS-5 or add $ 7500.00 for example LT-1.

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I believe the drivetrain is at least equal in monetary value to the body on a rare optioned model

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I believe the drivetrain is at least equal in monetary value to the body on a rare optioned model. When you look in different value guides, read the amount of percentages that are attributed to the engine options! In Corvettes look at L-88's or ZL-1's or LS-6's they are listed at, add 300% or 500% to the 5 different grades assigned to the car.
Normal engine options are given a monetary figure such as add $5000.00 for LS-5 or add $ 7500.00 for example LT-1.

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Warren...what you're referring to is the value added to a car because a specific engine option is known to have been originally shipped w/ that specific Vin...not the value of the original engine itself, loose and astray from the car...right?.

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"...As long as you know it exists and you know where it is, maybe its not necessary to purchase the motor at ransom prices..."

As far as this statement goes, if I had the car and knew where the original engine was, I'd do all I could to obtain it.. Knowing where it was wouldn't be good enough as at any time some hero could deck it...then whataya' got!.

~ Pete
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Although he is right in one respect. The zl1 option was worth more than the car itself was in 1969 prices.

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Without that original engine, then what makes the ZL-1 Camaro so desireable? It is just like another Camaro with TI, M22 & HD 4:10 axles, an iron block COPO would be just as valuable.

I Agree. I'd rather have a proper "clone" with a real ZL1 driveline than a "ZL1" with a "Clone" driveline.


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The car market for the past 38 years disagrees...

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well if I found the block for mine I'd pass if it was to high heck I'd end up paying more for the block then I did for the whole car with a ce block even if it was a cheap price

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Warren...I know you and you are not that dumb...