1970 COPO 4 Sale! Real, Cert by Jerry M #Match!
 

Do you want something rare, that none of your buddies will have in their collection?

Do you want something associated with SCCA history, and influenced the Camaro’s look for a longer period than any other option (Save maybe the cowl hood anyway)?

Then this MAY be the car for you!


A couple of the cars I have for sale are now on Ebay, including the 1970 Z28 COPO!

One of the two 70 Z’s have to go to make room for my original car from High School.

Super Rare opportunity to own a 1970 Z28 COPO!

1970 Blue Z28 COPO Worth? I don't think ones been on the market recently........

1970 Green Z28 on Ebay New! Lower reserve, BIN 35,000.00


Contact Rich at 504-913-3618 for more info, or email [email protected]



Also for sale, most of these cars have been certified by JerryM and ALL of them are numbers matching, born with:

69 LM1 / 3 Speed

69 LM1 Hugger Orange, Original POWER WINDOWS, fold down houndstooth

70 Monte Carlo SS 454 POP

see http://www.69lm1.com/4sale/ for more pics and info


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How much are you asking on the blue Z [reserve]? Thanks

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Thats a hard one.......

I have only seen one other one for sale, and it did not have bulletproof docs, and was years ago......

9796AA was not a drag type COPO, but more of a SCCA COPO. What does that add to the price of a 70 Z28 to a 9796 as compaired to a L78 to a 9561? 500 were supposed to be made, but in reality far less than 500 actually were.

Did you get a chance to read the muscle car review on Phil Borris' car that I scanned into the ad? Pretty cool reading.

To meet the guidelines, I could say $100,000 but I am really looking to see what the market bears. I would prefer to sell the 70 Green Z and keep the COPO, but if someone drops 100k (or less) then the 70 COPO's gone.

This is not a total fishing trip, as the car will sell if the right offer comes in, but I am less apt to take a low ball offer. It's really not a money thing, but a space issue.

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Vin Stamp by request...... http://i17.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/9f/b2/7cb3_12.JPG

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I am curious as to what added value you/market places on the larger spoiler. Also is there a record of which car received the first 3 piece spoiler. I believe the sunshine hurst camaro had the prototype front spoiler installed for some testing purpose.

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I am curious as to what added value you/market places on the larger spoiler. Also is there a record of which car received the first 3 piece spoiler. I believe the sunshine hurst camaro had the prototype front spoiler installed for some testing purpose.

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Hi Steve,
Like I was telling 427King, I am not quite sure (added value).

But, there is an average $100,000 difference between a Yenko COPO and a regular COPO and that is just a sticker change.

What makes a 69 COPO camaro bring more money than a 69 COPO Chevelle. Same powerplant? For that matter, a RPO L78 car is pretty close in performace (relatively) to a COPO.

Although I agree that performance wise, at speeds under 120mph (Did you read the article I scanned in on the ebay ad from Musclecar review?) there is no difference between performace between a 70 Z COPO and a 70 Z.

However, history wise, the 70 COPO was a major part of GM's SCCA racing ticket. It definatly made a huge performace difference over the standard Z relative to SCCA racing.

As we all know, GM was supposed to make a 500 run to meet the SCCA rules, but all indications (all 2nd hand info) are that they produced far less than 500 cars.

So, it really all boils down to this.
1. IMHO, the 70 Z COPO is to SCCA what the 69 COPO was to Drag Racing.

2. There were very few made, and of those only a fraction have bulletproof docs and can be guaranteed real (<1% total Z production).

3. If a sticker change is worth 100k for a yenko vs a copo, what is a spoiler package that provided a drastic increase in performace worth, and one that influenced Camaro production (+10years!) that can only be compaired to the cowl hood option?

I know of one other sale that was far over the numbers I have been throwing out there.

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Quote:"If a sticker change is worth 100k for a yenko vs a copo"

I am not sure that is accurate, however a lot has to do with documenting these cars. Yenko paperwork adds value because most feel it is bulletproof. Most COPO's that I have seen for sale don't have paperwork, other than a certifications that are null and void. Also the double COPO incorporated in every Yenko add something.

Actually I know of several COPO camaros that I feel are more valuable than a Yenko. Ed and Steve I will trade my Yenko plus cash for your COPO's.

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Does that mean a true cowl good 69 Z is worth significantly more than an otherwise equal flat hood Z?


Jason

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I would say no. I would personally rather have the non cowl good.

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How about the larger spoilers incorporated 69 camaros built after Jan-Feb, does that add value?

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Steve,
Not saying that this car is worth the same as a yenko.... I agree there. BUT, I do think it is worth more than a standard 70Z as well. The real question is how much, and is that relative to the worth between say a 69 BB and a COPO? Or a baldwin-motion. Even the BB cars that were converted after the sale at Motion seem to command a higher premium than the regular BB cars, when they have documentation to back it up, but not as much as a "Badlwin-Motion" doc car.

So, speaking in terms of paperwork, documentation and proof (the point that a yenko is more documented than a copo on average, if I understood your response), then this car is one of a very few that have backup documentation, and that documention has been verified by an industry trusted independant third party as real and authentic.

Of course, as the seller, I am looking for the best I can get. As a buyer, someone wants the best for the least.

This is definatly a niche car, and I have already had some pretty decent offers on it. Like I said, I know of at least one other that sold for a good bit more than I threw out here.....
Who knows, the market is pretty soft right now as we have seen. I may be out of line.....but, you could own this nice driver 70 Z COPO for the cost of a Concours 69 Z28. Everybody's got 69 Z28's, how many COPO Z's can there be?

I think we can all agree at least that it is an interesting car, and that the 1970 Z's, COPO or not, rock! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

I will be keeping one of these two 70 Z's, and I really hope the Green 70Z sells (BTW Guys, I think 35k is a STEAL for that car, it IS in great condition, how many still have the cigarette lighter that still works?) before this one! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

Thanks,

Rich

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Actually I know of several COPO camaros that I feel are more valuable than a Yenko. Ed and Steve I will trade my Yenko plus cash for your COPO's.

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Correct, but I bet those COPO cars have some racing history, like the Vitar(sp) car. If one of Jungle Jim's 70 Camaros came up or sale, I am sure it would go for much more than my 70 Z COPO we all.

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What was its appraised approximated value in restored or as is condition stated on the certification you have???

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Actually I know of several COPO camaros that I feel are more valuable than a Yenko. Ed and Steve I will trade my Yenko plus cash for your COPO's.

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Correct, but I bet those COPO cars have some racing history, like the Vitar(sp) car. If one of Jungle Jim's 70 Camaros came up or sale, I am sure it would go for much more than my 70 Z COPO we all.

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No they are just well optioned and documented cars. I am very partial to survivor cars. The original cars with unquestioned integrity are most appealing. My 69 rs/ss L34 survivor, no spoiler is my most prized car.

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How about the larger spoilers incorporated 69 camaros built after Jan-Feb, does that add value?

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IMO, Apples and Oranges. The "short" 68 spoilers were initially used on 69's to get rid of the last run. The 69 standard spoiler was not related to any special COPO order (same with the cowl hood). Remember, the 70 COPO was a COPO. So the real question is, is the 70 Z tall spoiler a COPO? Obviously, it says so on the build sheet. 9796AA.

**Fictional Comparison**
However, Let say for the sake of argument that in early 69 GM was SCCA racing the 69 Z with the short spoiler no cowl hood. Then they found that the car sucked in relating to drafting. So, they created a long spoiler and a cowl hood, and initiated a run of (supposed) 500 units under COPO 1234. After equipping their 69 Z's with this new equipment the Z now preformed great! It wins races and saves the day. In fact, if GM produced that 69 body style for another 10 years, then makes the COPO 1234 standard RPO equipment on all new Z28s. However, later it is found out that GM did not make the 500 they are supposed to, and actually produced only a fraction of that number. Of that number, only a handful turn up that can be proven to be real. One pops up on ebay with the buildsheet and a cert from Jerry stating authticity.

What would that car be worth? That would be apples to apples comparison, IMHO.

Rich

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Actually I know of several COPO camaros that I feel are more valuable than a Yenko. Ed and Steve I will trade my Yenko plus cash for your COPO's.

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Correct, but I bet those COPO cars have some racing history, like the Vitar(sp) car. If one of Jungle Jim's 70 Camaros came up or sale, I am sure it would go for much more than my 70 Z COPO we all.

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No they are just well optioned and documented cars. I am very partial to survivor cars. The original cars with unquestioned integrity are most appealing. My 69 rs/ss L34 survivor, no spoiler is my most prized car.

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Well, I stand corrected then. And I even agree. Survivor cars are more appealing to me than restored cars as well!

I wish I could have gotten that 69 LM1 (the hugger car) before it flooded. It has (had https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif ) 70% original paint and it's original interior.

Rich

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What was its appraised approximated value in restored or as is condition stated on the certification you have???

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No market comparison.......

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How about the larger spoilers incorporated 69 camaros built after Jan-Feb, does that add value?

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IMO, Apples and Oranges. The "short" 68 spoilers were initially used on 69's to get rid of the last run. The 69 standard spoiler was not related to any special COPO order (same with the cowl hood). Remember, the 70 COPO was a COPO. So the real question is, is the 70 Z tall spoiler a COPO? Obviously, it says so on the build sheet. 9796AA.

**Fictional Comparison**
However, Let say for the sake of argument that in early 69 GM was SCCA racing the 69 Z with the short spoiler no cowl hood. Then they found that the car sucked in relating to drafting. So, they created a long spoiler and a cowl hood, and initiated a run of (supposed) 500 units under COPO 1234. After equipping their 69 Z's with this new equipment the Z now preformed great! It wins races and saves the day. In fact, if GM produced that 69 body style for another 10 years, then makes the COPO 1234 standard RPO equipment on all new Z28s. However, later it is found out that GM did not make the 500 they are supposed to, and actually produced only a fraction of that number. Of that number, only a handful turn up that can be proven to be real. One pops up on ebay with the buildsheet and a cert from Jerry stating authticity.

What would that car be worth? That would be apples to apples comparison, IMHO.

Rich

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I appreciate your response as you are correct. I was just bustin ya a little, and didn't expect a response (I thought that was obvious). It will be interesting to see how the market responds. I love blue - blue cars, that has some wow factor.

Good luck https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I would not kick the tires too long on this car. The general public will be very aware of this option later this fall. "Real deal" cars will be in demand.

http://www.amazon.com/Camaro-Forty-Years...3108&sr=8-4

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Do you think the fact that it's a TH400 car will have an effect on it's value? I have never seen a '70 Z with an automatic go for the same money as a 4 speed car even though they made less of them in '70.

As far as the COPO spoiler is concerned; if I was in the market and had the money, I would prefer the short spoiler on my car. Regardless of rarity I just think they look better and flow with the lines of the car better.

Good luck with the sale.

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Have any large/copo spoilers been found on anything other than a Z28 in 1970 (documented cars).

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Do you think the fact that it's a TH400 car will have an effect on it's value? I have never seen a '70 Z with an automatic go for the same money as a 4 speed car even though they made less of them in '70.

As far as the COPO spoiler is concerned; if I was in the market and had the money, I would prefer the short spoiler on my car. Regardless of rarity I just think they look better and flow with the lines of the car better.

Good luck with the sale.

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I have to agree. Until my left foot gives, I'll always want 4 spds.

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I agree on the 4 gear. If that z had a Stick, I would be all over it like stink on a Monkey.

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Yep, seems like everyone wants the 4 speeds in the Z's. At least it's blue! Everyone want's blue 4 speed's......

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Did someone change the dash pad in the car?? My 70 Blue deluxe car had a blue dash pad in it.

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Could have, unlike the green Z, this one has some repop interior. I'm tellin you guys, that green Z is as original as it gets........ https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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I would not kick the tires too long on this car. The general public will be very aware of this option later this fall. "Real deal" cars will be in demand.

http://www.amazon.com/Camaro-Forty-Years...3108&sr=8-4

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I'm looking forward to the books debut. David took a ton of pictures of my 1967 RS.

Rick H.

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I notice that they both sit high in the front. Is that how they are supposed to be?

I ask because mine is considerably lower.

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I actually agree with you there as well. I wanted at least one of them to be a four speed. A Camaro, particularly a Z/28 is a sports car, and it seems funny to have an automatic. The four speed would definitely help drive the price of these two cars...

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Engine Casting Date Code D200 (May 20th, 1970)

Should the D be an E for May?

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Have any large/copo spoilers been found on anything other than a Z28 in 1970 (documented cars).

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Steve, I think there may be a COPO spoiler L78 car out west but I don't think it has any paperwork.

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Might be the driveway angle? The house is 3ft higher than the street.

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Engine Casting Date Code D200 (May 20th, 1970)

Should the D be an E for May?

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Nope, it actually is D200.

Rich

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Have any large/copo spoilers been found on anything other than a Z28 in 1970 (documented cars).

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Steve, I think there may be a COPO spoiler L78 car out west but I don't think it has any paperwork.

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Not intended as a factory item except on RPO Z-28. The possible exception being a number of dealer "in stock" Camaros already shipped to the city of Dallas Texas that actually had dealer installed COPO spoilers in the month of May at the specific request of Chevrolet officials.

Phil https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Have any large/copo spoilers been found on anything other than a Z28 in 1970 (documented cars).

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Steve, I think there may be a COPO spoiler L78 car out west but I don't think it has any paperwork.

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If the COPO 9796 was for/because of scca racing, would it have been available on cars other than Z28's? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Phil, you still watching this thread? Comments from the man? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

Rich

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Have any large/copo spoilers been found on anything other than a Z28 in 1970 (documented cars).

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Steve, I think there may be a COPO spoiler L78 car out west but I don't think it has any paperwork.

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If the COPO 9796 was for/because of scca racing, would it have been available on cars other than Z28's? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Phil, you still watching this thread? Comments from the man? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

Rich

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Yep I just replied while you were typing your question. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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If the COPO 9796 was for/because of scca racing, would it have been available on cars other than Z28's?

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Someone came forward on NastyZ28 claiming they had a L78 Camaro COPO. It was one post under the "Registry" thread but we have yet to hear any more details.

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A few years ago i had a documented 70 ss car that had a window sticker p.o.p etc and was a copo spoiler car.It also had the front spoiler at some point as there were some type of retainers attached to the front lower valance panel. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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The SG Registry is a great data gathering tool. Of the cars listed on the Z-28 data page the first of the early LOS cars are clearly Add on spoiler cars as the build date predates the COPO production timeframe. In the NOR section the two late April Norwood VIN#s are also likely add on spoiler cars as well due to the production hold up with end cap supplier AO-Smith corporation on quality issues with fit and alignment.

Mine is not on the Registry there.

Phil https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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A few years ago i had a documented 70 ss car that had a window sticker p.o.p etc and was a copo spoiler car.It also had the front spoiler at some point as there were some type of retainers attached to the front lower valance panel. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Do you recall the Build date? or VIN#?