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hmmm..... Its a shame someone allowed this car to get this bad... Anyway, shill bid?? wow.. no ram air words on the hood and no ram air sticker on the interior cable and tach lens looks very yellow as compared to the other gauges..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-G...069781554QQrdZ1

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Say this car is what he's advertising; is it really worth that much in it's current condition? To me it looks like it would need to be restored.

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not a poncho guy, but aren't the six figure cars usually accompanied by some "PHS or PRS" documentation? paint on hood looks like mishmosh fading of cheap repaint but photos can be deceiving.

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The paperwork with the RA4 highlighted is the PHS paperwork.

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It`s amazing... seems like almost every 3 weeks or so a high caliber very rare car shows up somewhere on the internet.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Dan.

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-------Cant comment much about most of what you say but the tach lense yellowing looks much like a reflection of something or camera flash.......Bill S

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The paperwork with the RA4 highlighted is the PHS paperwork.

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Charley, "PHS", is that an original document that came with the car like a build sheet for a chevy? I thought it was a documentation service that was provided more recently.

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Looks to me like someone stumbled on this car and is just on a fishing trip trying to see what he can get.
Great find and nice car to restore but i think 200k is really its value. Happy new year https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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PHS has the files for each car on micro-fiche. You send them money and your vin and they make photo copies of what they have on your car and send it to you.

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PHS

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Thanks for that info. I guess Chevy dropped the ball on preserving similar data. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif

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should this car have the six sided vin rivets?
they're round in the photo.

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VIN rivets are right on the car...
It also has a Duece shifter in it... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

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Did you see the owner address on the POP? "USAARENBO" and Fort Knox, Kentucky address. Was this car ordered by a U.S. Army tank crewman while in Viet Nam? It would jibe with the overseas export prep on the PHS. ???

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While on the subject, don't forget similar microfish derived documents are available for Canadian built GM cars or US Built vehicles shipped into Canada. .

Contact Canadian GM Vintage Services and they'll run a Vin for less than $50...not sure if they ding you the dough if the Vin is a no-go? .

George Zapora there is a great guy....he haunts this site occasionally as vintagegz.

George Zapora
Ph: 905-440-7636
Toll Free: 888-467-6853
Fax 905-644-5436
Email: [email protected].

~ Pete
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Contact Canadian GM Vintage Services and they'll run a Vin for less than $50...not sure if they ding you the dough if the Vin is a no-go? .

[/ QUOTE ]Already had my PHS for my GTO, but I tried getting more info (originally delivered to Quebec). Unfortunately they didn't have anything, but they didn't charge me and were actually disappointed that they couldn't be of service!

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A while back, when I sent for 1967 Impala info from George Z. he answered me:"We can do US cars from 1977 and newer". The way I understand it, you can get documentation from Canada on for example a 1977 Camaro that was built and sold in the US.

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Wow!
That's good to know, the 77 > TA's and Z28's are starting to come up in price.

Rich

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He got me the info on my 1987 IROC Z28 that was delivered in PA, one of the last to be built out of the Norwood plant. The microfiche wasn't too clear so they credited me back the charges on my mastercard and sent me the whole package free of charge. Very nice.

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Sounds great...I didn't know about the '77 & up cars! .

Hey, maybe George has the documents available on notstock71's Dad's '77 Z28 they just found and brought home before Christmas? .

~ Pete
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Car is no longer listed on ebay.

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This is correct. I have a friend who had this done by George for his 87 Grand National. Gave him all kinds of stuff with the packet..


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A while back, when I sent for 1967 Impala info from George Z. he answered me:"We can do US cars from 1977 and newer". The way I understand it, you can get documentation from Canada on for example a 1977 Camaro that was built and sold in the US.

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Like Don said.. It was a fishing trip. I figured it would never make the end date...


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Car is no longer listed on ebay.

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Nope. That is an ebay removed error message. Most likely, he broke some small rule, or used some word that they flag, or someone complained about the auction.

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We have a very nice RA IV rag top 4 speed GTO, possibly one of one color combo going to Arizona for auction!

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We have a very nice RA IV rag top 4 speed GTO, possibly one of one color combo going to Arizona for auction!

[/ QUOTE ]You still have my old car with the way these cars have been selling? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif
If anyone cars the overpriced one is back on ebay with no reserve this time. Break out the nets. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Here it is.... again!

Boy, what a terrific automobile. Gotta love those dog dishes. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif

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back on ebay with no reserve this time.

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Yeah, no reserve, but still the $650K minimum opening bid https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

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If only i didnt buy that last case of ivory back scratchers https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

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I thought only Mopars were 1 of 1? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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I got my info from Jim Mattison/PHS. Jim said that the Champaign color was unique for a GTO and that it was the only RA IV Rag top he was aware of in that color combo and that it may indeed have been the only one produced.

Nothing different than what Galen does for Mopars Color/Options.

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Well, I was being facetious, but Galen doesn't make those claims. Those claims come from his registry or from magazines that don't know what they're talking about.

There's a Champaigne RAIV ragtop at the Russo and Steele auction in Scottsdale coming up. Unless Jim goes through all 40 invoices and finds out how many were trimmed like this car, I don't believe any of it.

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Well, I was being facetious, but Galen doesn't make those claims. Those claims come from his registry or from magazines that don't know what they're talking about.

There's a Champaigne RAIV ragtop at the Russo and Steele auction in Scottsdale coming up. Unless Jim goes through all 40 invoices and finds out how many were trimmed like this car, I don't believe any of it.

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What a coincidence, about 7 posts back Stefano posted..”We have a very nice RA IV rag top 4 speed GTO, possibly one of one color combo going to Arizona for auction! “ https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Well, I was being facetious, but Galen doesn't make those claims. Those claims come from his registry or from magazines that don't know what they're talking about.

There's a Champaigne RAIV ragtop at the Russo and Steele auction in Scottsdale coming up. Unless Jim goes through all 40 invoices and finds out how many were trimmed like this car, I don't believe any of it.

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Galen will "make those claims" if you ask. This, of course, is based on factual info he has retrieved from the Chrysler records. He can pull from his database drivetrain, color, option combos and if you request a "page 2" to your Chrysler Registry letter, he will spell out the rarity of your car in writing.

For the record, this car makes me... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/drool.gif

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Well, I was being facetious, but Galen doesn't make those claims. Those claims come from his registry or from magazines that don't know what they're talking about.

There's a Champaigne RAIV ragtop at the Russo and Steele auction in Scottsdale coming up. Unless Jim goes through all 40 invoices and finds out how many were trimmed like this car, I don't believe any of it.

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What a coincidence, about 7 posts back Stefano posted..”We have a very nice RA IV rag top 4 speed GTO, possibly one of one color combo going to Arizona for auction! “ https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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SO, THE "ANTIQUE GOLD" ON EBAY IS 1 OF 1
AND THE "CHAMPAGNE" at Russo and Steele is 1 of 1`?
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sorry, but I tell the kids there are no stupid questions.

anyone have a pic of the "very nice" car going to russo and steele?
Chris https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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I may have answered my own question
http://www.russoandsteele.com/collec...a_iv/6877.html

"Pontiac Historical has told us that this may be the only GTO RAIV sold in this striking color combination."

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Here you go.

GTO

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so, the worn looking original on Ebay demands $650,000. Where will the nicer car start and end? any guesses?

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Well, I was being facetious, but Galen doesn't make those claims. Those claims come from his registry or from magazines that don't know what they're talking about.

There's a Champaigne RAIV ragtop at the Russo and Steele auction in Scottsdale coming up. Unless Jim goes through all 40 invoices and finds out how many were trimmed like this car, I don't believe any of it.

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Galen will "make those claims" if you ask. This, of course, is based on factual info he has retrieved from the Chrysler records. He can pull from his database drivetrain, color, option combos and if you request a "page 2" to your Chrysler Registry letter, he will spell out the rarity of your car in writing.

For the record, this car makes me... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/drool.gif

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Unlike Pontiac which retained its actual buildsheet invoices, Chrysler retained only production percentage records, which Galen has. This is where the novices get into trouble when they attempt advanced statistical analysis where they shouldn't. For example, if they hypothetically built 20,000 Road Runners and the records say that 1% were built with a hemi, that would give you 200 cars. If the records also say that they built 20,000 Road Runners and 1% were painted Panther Pink, also resulting in 200 cars, you would NOT then take 1% of the 200 hemi car number to extrapolate out that 2 cars were Panther Pink hemi Road Runners. It just doesn't work that way, but unfortunately people see numbers and go crazy.

Here is the type of addendum that Galen attaches to his records: This is the one for my Charger. Of the 112 built according to the production percentage records, 50% were four speeds and 50% were automatics resulting in 56/56 even split. Oddly enough he has found records of 56 cars still existing for his registry: 1/2 of the entire production. Of those known cars, mine is "one of one" according to him. Theoretically there could be 29 other hemi four speeds out there that are also R/T-SE combination option cars in red but it's quite unlikely. In his 56 car record he has 15 other hemi R/T-SE Chargers, which works out to about a 26% rate of R/T-SE to R/T ratio. So if I wanted to extrapolate I would say that 26% of the 112 should be R/T-SE hemi Chargers or about 28 cars total. As you can see you could do anything with the the numbers. So based on my faulty assumptions, start hunting: there are 13 more duplicates of my car out there somewhere in barns, garages, brothel parking lots...

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i3...roductionA.jpg

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Don White!! Oh yeaaaaaa Thats our guy!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Don-- tell us the story on that car? I don't remember you having it. But then again you owned so many cars I lost track!!


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I may have answered my own question
http://www.russoandsteele.com/collec...a_iv/6877.html

"Pontiac Historical has told us that this may be the only GTO RAIV sold in this striking color combination."

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