ZL 1 #36
 

ZL1 #36 going up for auction at Mecum Jan 25-27, 2007. Looking to find out info. about this car. Thanks.

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Same basic option content as Hassett's ZL-1 except it is a TH-400.

Phil https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Number 36 is one of the 13 or so Gibb Sold ZL1s, it is a 4 speed and was on display at the most recent Chevy Vette Fest, in Rosemont. The owner is Joe Zrostlik from Iowa.

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My bad I must have got 36 and 38 confused... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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No Problem. Here are a couple of detail pics.

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79...Suspension.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79...Suspension.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79...L136Engine.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79...earChassis.jpg

http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a79...Suspension.jpg

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Thank you. Nice car.

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Joe's ZL-1 along side Dave's at Vettefest.

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...n_DSCF6302.jpg

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-------Somebody must have block-sanded that A-frame for a week. I have never seen an A-frame done to that degree. If I had one like that I wouldnt put it on a car, Id hang it up on the living-room wall and stare at it all night!!!!........Bill S

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-------Somebody must have block-sanded that A-frame for a week. I have never seen an A-frame done to that degree. If I had one like that I wouldnt put it on a car, Id hang it up on the living-room wall and stare at it all night!!!!........Bill S

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thats is what I was thinking!, and I thought about that frame detail all day today out in the shop... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif fricken nice work!

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Bill, that is too funny, but I know you are serious.

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Wonder how they got the steering arm to bolt to the spindle with the bolts in a$$backwards.....One of the things that make you go hmmmmm...... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Steve

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Stefano, clean out your PM box.

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I'm guessing they had to grind off the threads that were sticking out past the nuts in order to not groove the rotors.

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Wow... I wonder how the car scored?? Did the car compete for a spinner??

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Who did the resto?

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Wow... I wonder how the car scored?? Did the car compete for a spinner??

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I don't usually get involved in any aspect of the Judging but I do have a few thoughts about Joe's ZL-1 and car show judging in general;

1. This is without a doubt one of the nicest restorations I have ever witnessed in person.
2. The judging sheets for this car are now being reviewed by my Judging supervisor, as there are several issues that may have been considered incorrect that may in fact be correct.
3. The "Non" Corvette entries and the levels of cars being entered in Chevy Vettefest have never been better, and I am interested in finding more recognized authorities who are qualified to properly judge these vehicles.
4. I am the first to admit that we need to improve the judging at Chevy Vettefest and it is my intent to do exactly that.
5. Nothing is ever "cut and dry" when it comes to judging any car, whether it be a Corvette or a Supercar at Chevy Vettefest or any other show.
6. It is absolutely 100% mandatory that any Chevy Vettefest judge be unbiased. If I find any proof that this is not the case, any person involved will be banned from our shows.

As stated, in my "humble opinion" this ZL1 is unquestionably one of the finest in the country, bar none.

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BA

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Who did the resto?

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I was told the car was restored by Chuck Huber.

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Love the car also. ZL1's are just cool.

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I think you have excellent judges...the ole 409 guys know their stuff pretty darn well...

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any more pics of this car....if the subframe is that nice...what else should we see??

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------The first $50,000 resto on a subframe. I cant imagine how many hours of restoration went into just that front subframe assembly.......Bill S

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any refunds for the steering arm bolt?

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What is judged as far as correctness at this level at VF..? I find it interesting that the judging is in question on this particular car.....I don't know what it scored or won....Just what I personally saw spending two days at VF.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Steve

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Really not a restoration-think it looked like that when new?

Totally overdone.

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Bob...I'm guessing you are getting heat because apparently the ZL1 in this thread got a silver ? I know there has been crap between two web sites and the folks that restored this car are usually associated with the other web site and there always seems to be two sides picking each others cars apart. You can throw out my comments on this car if you wish but here are a couple and I'm trying to be unbiased, especially since the car is not from the so called Yenko.net camp. I saw the car in person and saw the resto book on display. In addition to the steering arm bolts being in backwards there were several other obvious errors on the car that even a non judge like me saw. I think the cowl induction air cleaner seal was inside out at Vettefest but in the pic on this thread it is now correct. The yellow paint marks on all the bolts I have never seen on a first gen Camaro and I have probably owned more than most. All 69 Camaros with Hurst shifted 4 speeds had the trans tunnel hole cut with a torch and the were a rough rectangle but this car had a little perfectly round non torch cut hole. If I had my car restored to the top level I would be pissed if that was the hole they did instead of the correct torch cut one. It might seem trivial to you but to a 69 Camaro guy that is a big mistake from a expert shop. If I recall it had Polyglas tires on it and I have never seen a 69 Camaro with Polyglas tires from the factory. The PCV hose in the pic appears to be straight with a sag instead of having a 90 degree bend like it should. The bolts in the pics posted holding the diff to the leaf springs appear to be two different length's. One doesn't appear to even come all the way thru the nut. This is not big stuff but it is wrong stuff. If I'm not judging this car and I saw this stuff I would imagine a judge would find more. Maybe none of this matters at Vettefest judging and I am way off but that was my worthless two cents. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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Really not a restoration-think it looked like that when new?

Totally overdone.

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This is what one looked like "new"...after all it only has a few miles on it!


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...n_DSCF3305.jpg

I think the cars look good side by side though


http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...n_DSCF6302.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b1...n_DSCF6303.jpg

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ZL1 #36 going up for auction at Mecum Jan 25-27, 2007. Looking to find out info. about this car. Thanks.

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FWIW...I don't feel anyone is picking apart this car or taking sides...Just answering the question posted above.How do you do it without sounding harsh? This is a car aparently going to auction and no doubt looking to demand a fairly high price tag..That said...Who would like to spend $ on something that may be incorrect? Already issues have been pointed out about #36 from what was viewed at VF...maybe they have been corrected maybe not.We all live and learn....Should we be careful about what questions we ask? .....Or just the answers we respond with? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Steve

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Some people take offense to people pointing out things that they think are wrong with a restoration but
this is how we all learn how it should be. This car may have a few small details that need attention but I
must admit; They put a lot of time and effort into this car; Suck it up and get the facts straight on how it
should be; Fix the few problems and you have yourself a really Nice Car that anyone would be happy to park
in their garage.

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Here is my .02 cents,
How about getting a shot at the body plugs being placed in upside down, the rear trunk drop offs not having the holes in them and those swaybar brackets don't look right to me....and aleast you could place AD stickers on the backing plates correctly. I can only imagine what else could be wrong. If I know the restorer right, I bet the tire hold down stud could hold down 2 rims and tires. Just my thoughts..... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif
The "MOF"

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No Brian, he got the tire hold down hook right on this one, but there was plenty of other things wrong.... Some restorers insist on doing things "their way" instead of the way that GM built the car. Alot of people like their cars done this way. It's totally up to them, but don't bring them to an event like this, where the cars are supposed to be done as they were at the factory, and expect to do well. It is my understanding, that the cars are judged for factory correctness, not what someone imagines them to look like. Maybe the owner of this car should have done his homework before placing this car in a shop for restoration, https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif if he was after a factory correct restoration.

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Top shelf car, imo. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

...but might have a leak or two -- viz callout from Stefano's pic below:

http://www.corvettes-musclecars.com/yenko.net/zl136.jpg

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The lower control arm bolts to the subframe are installed with the nut to the front rather than toward the rear. Anyone ever see a car with these installed this way from the factory. The reason I ask is that's the way the assembly manual shows the bolts installed.

Re: ZL 1 #36
 

If you study the assembly manuel you will see the control arm bolts in the way you describe, but I have seen many unrestored never before removed bolts in both directions...BKH

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I have always felt one of the best parts of the VF judging system is that you are shown the judging sheets before they move on to the next car - and you sign them. This gives you the opportunity to discuss the deductions with the judges, and basically provides a lot of information as to what was found. This process can really help with learning curves - if factory correct is indeed the goal. If the goal is to restore the car to another set of standards, then discussing the deductions is a moot point.

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I like that too,but also think it's very considerate of the VF judges to not judge any vehicle unless the owner is standing their quietly next to their vehicle at that certain time.If you're not,they leave a note on your windshield saying they waited for you and will return at a later time.If you still aren't there then,you vehicle will not get judged..and with good reason in my book.
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My .02. I appreciate all the input and am always learning. Obviously the car has had a high dollar resto. It's a very rare car. If I was the owner I would want the car restored as close to factory as possible. Auction is coming up so we'll see what shakes out. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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Thanks Brian for your answer. We installed mine like the ZL1's and assembly manual, but have been told by some it's not correct. I don't think I've seen an original with them installed this way though. Good to hear you've seen them both ways.

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....2. The judging sheets for this car are now being reviewed by my Judging supervisor, as there are several issues that may have been considered incorrect that may in fact be correct.

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Bob, has your review team had time to review the judging sheets on this car? If so, has a decision been made, and what was it?

Re: ZL 1 #36
 

We can find something on every car. Each car is done to ones liking, a lot incorrect, a lot different, different shifts, people, Monday's & Friday's. It's overrestored, but God, it looked awesome. I don't think anyone that let that out of their shop would have had an unhappy customer. What would be acceptable today is far superior to 1969, but, it's 2006. Others done freshly at the show were just as appealing with different styles. Baskin and Robin's now makes Jerry Garcia ice cream!

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If you bring a car to a judged show, be prepared for the results if the car is not restored to that show's standards. The eye candy factor is irrelevant. The criteria is based on originality, not over-restoration. That car would do very well at Super Chevy, but would get crushed at Carlisle.

You are right, there are many flavors out there, you just have to match them up with the right show. How do you expect a team of judges to cater to all 'flavors'? No need to complain about the score if ya mismatched the car with the wrong judging criteria!