General Auction Rant
 

I'm going to apologize in advance for this so hopefully I don't offend anybody. I was at the Kruse auction on Saturday and and I saw something I've seen at other auctions and also online ads. What I'm talking about is the ridiculous use of underhood and underbody markings. In some cases it looks like the same person is doing this because the radiator has "-20" also an "X" at the upper rad hose, X's in several other places also paint dabs on everything. Also the obligatory vehicle color written on the firewall along with "M21" and of course top it all off with a "Caution Fan" sticker. The firewall writing is hilarious as it is very neat and straight like they found the one guy in the plant with the best penmanship. Again, sorry for the rant.

Paul

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I will have to agree.. all of the X's and paint dabs are annoying. When cars have all of those marks... it makes you wonder what else is not correct?

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I concur with your rant. It just irritates me no end when I see these "clown cars" with 47 different paint daubs on every piece of suspension hardware. And of course the perfect markings on the firewall are always fun. That's one of the reasons I had my 5-year old do the paint markings on my car. I showed him the original pre-disassembly photos and he had a lot of fun duplicating the sparse original markings on the rear differential. He ended up being just as sloppy as the assembly line workers. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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5 year olds and the UAW... hmmm there is a joke somewhere in there! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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I am sure your 5 year old was much more carefull.

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Seems like it's sort of an "all-in" or "all-out" situation on these cars. I reproduced the two firewall marks I found on my car and added the drive shaft stripe. Then I quit.

I've seen the cars you are talking about. Looks like Walt Disney threw up in the engine compartment!

Too much.......

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Oh, and the "Caution Fan" decal!? What car is that correct for?

I've seen this on 68-72 Olds A bodies and am pretty sure it's not supposed to be there.

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We have a local dealer here in town that "restores" all his cars with the same marks....kinda like a Picaso of sorts..I can spot his artwork a mile away!

X's we don't need no stinkin X's.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif


Steve https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Before I restored my 69 L-78 Camaro, I looked at as many photos of original unrestored cars as I could and duplicated those marks, nothing more. Also, the existing inspection marks on the suspension were cleaned and left as original. Many cars I have seen are over the top restored with most things being too perfect. If you look at an original unrestored car, it is amazing how sloppy some of the quality and workmanship was. You don't usually see this in a restored car.

Paul

Paul

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I guess the "dealers" are looking for the uninformed buyer in some cases and these types of made-up details are a selling point. The car that really made me cringe at Auburn was this 69 SS Chevelle L78, Lemans Blue. The resto looked nice when I looked under the hood it reminded me of the time my kid got the 64 pak of Crayolas and went crazy on his bedroom wall (actually, his work was a little nicer).

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I've been noticing this for awhile now.
So many are going overboard with these marks & dabs on their hospital clean restorations.
It clashes as bad as Elvis at a bar mitzvah.

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I'll add my pet peeve to the list. The "plastic caution " tag that comes on reproduction batteries. You see this one on mega dollar restorations and in photos of otherwise correctly restored magazine cars.One of the makers of restoration batteries said to me that he takes it as a kind of strange compliment to his work when he sees these at car shows.This tag is a safety warning that is required when shipping the battery from him to you in 2006, not in 1969.

Wait a minute.Can you hear the sound of people running to their garages right now?

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Ive been known to mark up a car or two. But I can safely say that I've never made any up that werent found and documented during disassembly.

Unfortunately, Ive seen cars that Ive built, several years down the road, that have been marked up like is being discussed. It bugs me. Not only do I know I didnt put them there, I also know that they werent on the car originally. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

And maybe someone should tell these guys that the assembly line workers didnt dab/mark anything (except in rare instances) https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif


dave

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I have an untouched original firewall 64 Belair that looks like a billboard...every single accessory, paint code,trim code, Paint,Body,Trim paper stamps,engine code (I think), transmission type (4spd) plus other crap...

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So.......if I have a car that is marked to the gills..I am not supposed to duplicate this for fear of being raked over the coals???.....On my old ,not so rare ole' Z,I am at this moment stripping all the factory markings off............ https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif....BILL

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So.......if I have a car that is marked to the gills..I am not supposed to duplicate this for fear of being raked over the coals???

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No problem if they were on the car originally. But many times, you can get a sense when there is a lot of made-up marks on a car.

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"So.......if I have a car that is marked to the gills..I am not supposed to duplicate this for fear of being raked over the coals???.....On my old ,not so rare ole' Z,I am at this moment stripping all the factory markings off............ ....BILL"


If I were to restore a car that was marked up... I would with out a doubt have many good pictures and drawings with notes so I could duplicate the marks... thus I would have documentation backing up the restored cars marks.

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What he said!!!!....... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif,,,,,,BILL

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JAG and I have the same opinion on this subject https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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If I were to restore a car that was marked up... I would with out a doubt have many good pictures and drawings with notes so I could duplicate the marks... thus I would have documentation backing up the restored cars marks.

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As an example, and the same is done for every marking found (in addition to notes/diagrams):

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...Z/100_0054.jpg


dave

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did you see what a red W-31 cutlass sold for,with the same goofy daubs and stickers all over the suspension? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Not to change the subject, but, how did the auction go?

Patrick

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JAG and I have the same opinion on this subject https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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If I were to restore a car that was marked up... I would with out a doubt have many good pictures and drawings with notes so I could duplicate the marks... thus I would have documentation backing up the restored cars marks.

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As an example, and the same is done for every marking found (in addition to notes/diagrams):

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...Z/100_0054.jpg


dave

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Is that bird poop?

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[ QUOTE ]
JAG and I have the same opinion on this subject https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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If I were to restore a car that was marked up... I would with out a doubt have many good pictures and drawings with notes so I could duplicate the marks... thus I would have documentation backing up the restored cars marks.

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As an example, and the same is done for every marking found (in addition to notes/diagrams):

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b2...Z/100_0054.jpg


dave

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THAT (above) is the right way to do it!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif
Dave

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Great topic! .
I'm all for duplicating only found marks and documenting them as you go....this is the way the serious 'Vette guys have been doing it for years. .
The overdone ones remind me of old ladys who wear too much makeup.
That 'clown cars' term....too perfect! .
I love the idea of letting the youngsters do the work....sounds like a great way to get 'innocent' results also a nice family touch! .
And Rick, a little known fact is Elvis' had Jewish blood as his grandmother was a Mansell....I wonder if he's related to Nigel? .
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~ Pete

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If you want to follow along with my resto saga here is some of it: I preserved the existing marks on the suspension that were salvageable and had the kids do the paint marks on the rear differential:

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/show...t/5/vc/1/nt/12
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/show...t/8/vc/1/nt/12