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My thoughts on the new Camaro concept.

I was lucky enough to be one of the 250 to be invited by Scott Settlemire to see the new Camaro concept debut at the Detroit auto show. The whole weekend was a treat and I really want to thank Scott and the folks at Chevrolet for doing what they did. The night before the auto show we had a gathering at the GM Heritage center and most of the team that put the new Camaro together was there. They said they would listen to our comments and wanted to hear them so here I am.
While the new Camaro is neat and I think neater than the 4th gen it replaced, it is not what I was hoping for. I can remember talking with friends years ago about how cool it would be and how many cars Chevy would sell if they made the 69 Camaro again. We knew it was pipe dreaming but it sure was neat to think about. I never expected it to happen. Then comes along the new Mustang and it looks very much like a 67 Mustang. Then there are rumors of a retro Camaro and I'm pumped. Then there is a retro Hemi Challenger and it appears we are back in our youth. This is getting exciting. I will buy a new 69 Camaro. I'll buy 2 ! How many people are out there that would jump at the chance to buy a new 69 Camaro ? How many out there that like the old 69 Camaro's but don't buy one because they can't work on cars and old cars need to be worked on ? Would they buy a 69 Camaro with a warranty ? With the other makes doing the retro theme this is the perfect time and probably our only chance to do a 69 type Camaro. The market is there. There is worry that retro is not long legged enough to pencil out for the bean counters. The 69 Camaro is over 35 years old and the design still looks great. A new version of it can look just as great. I'm 52 years old and I want one. I have met many younger than me that also love the looks of a 69 Camaro. It's like we are invited to a retro party with Ford and Chrysler but have decided not to come. I know the retro T-bird didn't do well but guys like me were about 4 years old when they first came out. The guy that missed out on buying a 57 T-bird back in 57 is now probably close to 70 years old so I wouldn't expect him to buy too many cars of his youth. I missed the chance to buy a Camaro in 69 and would sure like another chance .I don't think there will ever be another chance like right now to capture the audience that is out there waiting You have a chance to capture the youth market and the baby boomers at the same time. Maybe I'm just in the minority and don't know it. GM really does want and need to know what the public will buy so they can decide on what to build. You may or may not agree with me on wanting the new Camaro to look more retro like a 69. Whatever it is you prefer please let Chevrolet know. If you don't voice your opinion don't bitch later on if they didn't do what you wanted.
-Charley

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A new 69 HECK YEAH, esp if they make a Convt which I would think would be hands down choice for yet another Indy Pace car

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I know where you are coming from Charley, as I wanted a new 69 Camaro also. I'm the lucky owner of all four of the past generations of F-Bodies and still own a few 69s. But as I sit here and look at the new Camaro concept I believe this the right direction for GM to go for these reasons. First, a company must be progressive and look ahead not back. The new Mustang and concept Challenger take something away from the originals. I certainly don't want that to happen to our beloved 69s. The Camaro concept has a hint of the past, but with a modern twist to it. The more I study the pictures of the new Camaro the more I love this car. Sure would like to see it in person though. I hope GM brings back the Camaro and more rear drive SS models, this would not only turn GM around but also give us what we want. Oh by the way put a check box with LS7 next to it for mine. If Chevy builds the new Camaro I will buy it.

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Charley, thanks for the opportunity to post on this topic for the benefit of Chevy. You might suggest to Scott that he has a pretty good cross section of people on this site (age, geography, income brackets, etc.) that are all likely buyers of this car. I bet if asked, he'd get plenty of people willing to participate in focus groups, etc. to help refine the design and marketing strategy for the Camaro.

Anyway, here's my piece:

I was 3 in 69 so I didn't qualify as a first time buyer then. But the shape of the 69 has always appealed to me and I wanted one ever since I became interested in cars. I'm luck enough to have two now. My first real car was an '84 Z-28.

It's funny how the evolution of cars takes place and how our feelings change about each of the evolutionary stages. I love the 60s Camaros. I hated the 70-81 cars originally, but now like the early years of these cars. I think the 3rd gens were closer to the spirit of the 60s cars. I never liked or understood the styling of the late 90s cars. Dare I say that the evolution of the Camaro was very disjointed from era to era, unlike the smoother changes of the Corvette, for example.

Like others on this site and elsewhere, I think Chevy has a wonderful opportunity to capitalize on one of its most successful designs ever, by recapturing the spirit of the 1st gen Camaro in an updated design reflecting current manufacturing practices, technology, performance and styling. What is important, I think, is to pay greater heed to the styling cues of the original car than the current design does. The efforts of Ford, even including the woeful T-Bird (not a performance car really - that was the problem), and Chrysler with respect to these updated retro models have worked (both from a design perspective, and I suppose in the showroom) because they have updated the cars appropriately while making very strong visual ties to the past cars. The combination of feelings of regained youth, available modern performance and an attractive price point is a powerful mix that appeals to both emotion and wallet.

The current prototype doesn't quite capture that mix correctly. I think the pointy grill/bumper treatment is the culprit. Too much a "me too" with the Cadillac stable and some other cars. Flatten the nose off while keeping a good sized grill opening and you end up with a meaner looking car evoking the 1st gen front end that I'm sure will be a winner. It worked for Ford on the Mustang and is apparent in the new Challenger too. Don't worry about being viewed as pursuing a "me too" strategy, you need to sell cars. People don't want a rocket ship design, they want a muscle car that runs like a rocket ship. With that in mind, you should make an LS-7 version of the car. Mercedes, Audi and BMW aren't afraid to stuff 500hp+ in their mid-size coupes.

I had the chance to buy one of the 5 ZO-6 Corvettes destined for the UK, but ended up passing on the car as impractical for London. But an LS-7 powered, flat nosed Camaro - sign me up.

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While I like the look of the 67-69 Camaro, I really don't need a new Camaro to look like an old one. Like I posted in the other thread, if I want a 69 Camaro, I can go out and buy a 69 Camaro. I didn't like the 3rd gen Camaro but it grew on me. Same thing for the 4th gen. A new car isn't as much about the appearance as it is about what's under the skin and how it runs/drives/performs/handles. I think the new platform has a ton of potential and being a 2 door rear wheel drive V8 pony car is all that really matters. Sure, it needs some tweaks here and there to give it a better appearance and identity. But I'd rather see a new style than a retro thing. The Mustang looks good and the Challenger looks great, but that's from the point of view of cars guys and majority of the buyers will not be like us. But it will really come down to pricing regardless of what it looks like. I sure hope they can keep it in the $30K or under range. Anything higher than that and you lose a lot of potential buyers. If that Challenger comes out at $40K, there won't be a lot of people lined up to buy it because there aren't a lot of people with that kind of money for a 2 door sports car. I think by the time the new Camaro is ready to be released it will have much more of an identity. And if all the mechanicals under the skin are better than the 4th gen, then it will be one heck of a fun car!

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Here's thoughts from one of the "younger" generation...retro the design a little bit more towards the '69 style (mostly the front end), give it a more aggressive hood scoop and drop in the latest and greatest Chevy Hi-Po engine and I'll knock over the "old farts" to get one...no offense meant to the guys that were around when the "first" '69 Camaro was introduced... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I was enthusiastic when I heard Chevrolet was reconsidering releasing the Camaro model again after they made it clear they would not,and even went so far as to close down the St.Therese Quebec Canada Assembly plant.But after seeing it this week,it falls way short of what I thought it would have been.The best way I can explain it is it has no creative imagination where it should,and too much creative imagination where it shouldn't.I'm not asking them to reinvent the wheel,but they sure could have redefined it better.
If I was in the market for a new Camaro,I would levitate towards the Dynacorn mailorder bodies now more then ever.

Charley your 52? http://www.forum.mocny.com/html/emot...wheelchair.gif

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There's the "old fart" icon I needed...

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As others have said, my strongest dislike about the new Camaro is the front end. Needs to look more like the original 69. The rest is not too bad. I like everything about the Challenger.

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I guess when I read Charley's first comments from the Detroit show I thought it was pretty much an across-the-board approval of the concept car. Now that I read his statements above I have to say I agree with him. Although Joey Barr made a good point about future upgrades to a true retro design for the cars, I still feel the current concept is far too futuristic and leans too heavily on the current Cadillac styling.
Earlier artists renderings gave me hopes to see the '69 return again. Yes, I see hints and influence of the '69, but they're weak. Everyone has their opinion so here we go.
The lower body is out of proportion to the roof area and side windows. To use an old rodders term, it needs to be 'sectioned'. 21" & 22" wheels are cool...............if you put them on a Hummer! Drop them back to 17" or 18" and show us a little rubber on those rollers. (Hmmm, how 'bout bringing back a red stripe tire?) Extend the front fenders a little from the wheel forward and give us a little more First Gen grille treatment (less pointy and maybe even an RS option!).
My initial reaction when I saw the car was serious disappointment. Admittedly, I felt the same when I first saw the '68 Corvette. Later, when I bought my '68 427 Corvette, I had obviously changed my mind. Wish I had that one back! Now I can also say my feelings against the new Camaro are dimishing somewhat. I still can't say I like it, but I can see possibilities for it. At least it appears the Camaro is coming back! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

And yes Bill, I agree..... from what I've seen, the Challenger gets a big https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

Dennis

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I really didn't mean to beat up on the new design like I did on other posts, it just really fell short of what I was expecting with the retro style of the Mustang and Challenger, Ford hit a grand slam with the mustang. I agree with what Charley said, and I think that they have a really good platform to start with, they need to make some changes and get it looking like a 69, offering the RS, Z28, RS/SS, RS/Z's, and offer some really serious power trains, like the LS-7 as a option, I really feel that if GM does not this one right and hit a grandslam as Ford has with the Mustang, if they bring a half way appealing car to market and the sales slump the time production on the Camaro stops it will be FOREVER! I have always been amazed that Ford has been able to take less powered Mustangs, and out sell the Camaro/Firebird lines. Just my two cents worth, doesn't mean much! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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my thoughts...for those of us just too young to appreciate the first wave of high horse power muscle 1964-74, I have had an ear to ear grin in the recent 400-505hp offerings from the factories...European, but first and foremost the U.S. The table is set for the automakers to walk us to the bank and or home equity accounts and ask us for our very last dollar in return for the biggest-baddest best all around cars in history!

I love the idea of the Camaro and what it could evolve into if the power brokers/ bean counters actually listen to their customers.

I love most of the design but I feel they should have had stronger cues to the original 69 Camaro DNA. To me, the front end appears a touch too edgy. The worst part about the front end is that it reminds me of a cross between the Caddy and one of those smiley Chevron cartoon cars...I have a hard time airing my true feelings in such a public forum but if I'm not the only one that doesnt like it we need to be heard.

My first love is a Chevy but the Mopar/Challenger offering has a strong link to their 70's heritage and it has my attention. I can only imagine a long option sheet to please the bean counters and public alike. Does anyone truly doubt that a bigger badder Shaker hood monster is far behind?

I can only hope G.M. has the guts to build cars to pull some of us back into their camp. I love the new Z-06 but it's out of reach for most of us, I feel a Camaro would be a start in filling the price point gap....let the games begin.

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But it will really come down to pricing regardless of what it looks like. I sure hope they can keep it in the $30K or under range. Anything higher than that and you lose a lot of potential buyers.

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1-10-06 Chicago Tribune auto writer
Pricing

Bob Lutz, in charge of product development at GM, said the new Camaro would cost about $200 more than the rival Ford Mustang, with a base price of $19,000, but will have more equipment.

He sees it as a high-volume car with sales of 120,000 to 150,000 a year. Mustang output is at around 190,000 units.

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I watched two shows on Discovery this week; one with he designers of the new Challenger and one with the designers of the new Camaro. Their thoughts on the new car were very different. The Challenger guys were taking the old car and making it new, while the Camaro guys were making a "new" car that had some styling elements of the '69 Car. This difference in intention is exactly what sets the cars apart and exactly why most of us on the Collector car boards like the Challenger concept better...it was designed for US; the Camaro wasn't. I've owned more than 30 first gen Camaros and must say that the new car is just "OK". If it were cheap enough, I might buy it. Now, I have never owned a Mopar anything, but if the new Challenger was the same price as the new Camaro, I'd buy it first. That being said, I would pay a premium if the new Camaro looked more like a first gen Camaro - even as much as $45K US if it had the Z06 motor.

So the problem as I see it is that GM designed a car for new buyers that does not necessarily appeal to us. They need to go back to the drawing board and design one that appeals more to both groups.

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I like the new car. Change the front end some and put plenty of power in there and it will be good. Great start. If the consensus is the 69 looks best then it took them a couple of years to get that body also(67,68).

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I agree 100% with Charley........ I am sitting here with $80,000 in cabbage in a bag, to buy a new Z06, and the local dealers want 12k-to-13k OVER sticke, at about $91,000 out the door. They'll order one for sticker, but it's a 1+ year wait they say..... I will pay cash for a black/black Z06 at sticker, and maybe some+++ sticker today....

with that said, if Chevy made a '69 retro with an LS7-500hp, I will write a check today, and if they don't I'll buy something else, probably a Mustang, the same way about 50,000 others will, when they jump on the Mustang/Challenger/Charger bandwagon. If Chevy can sell 36,000 Vette's a year, they SHOULD be able to sell 70,000 to 100,000 '69 retro camaro's a year. Use the LS1 as a base and the LS7 as an option.

What the hell is wrong with them????

I can't stand the new car one bit.

Jim Haas https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/stupid.gif

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Its hard for us Camaro guys to swallow, but GM will never put the same amount of energy into the camaro as they do the vette. Its the stepchild, it sucks but oh well. If it wasn't for a few guys, Yenko, Rosen, etc. there would have been no camaros that where outside the box. Thank goodness for those guys.

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I'm a 21 year old college student, and I must say I disagree with most of the comments. Since I was 15, I have had a few '67 F-bodys. I was able to enjoy them and make a few dollars in the process. I have loved classic cars and always will. I mainly thank my dad and his collection of cars for that. My generation today is mainly taken over by imports. Myself and the few others that enjoy muscle cars hate the situation. But the truth of the matter is everyone my age can't afford most the high horse power American cars. And if we can insurance is a killer. The new Camaro is awesome. I love it. I disagree with taking an old car and designing a new car from it. I want my car manufacture to take a step forward, not take a step back in the past. I will agree that GM puts to much effort in the Vette, and the Camaro is left in the shadow. I also understand that GM is going to design a car that will sell. And if my generation won’t have the money to buy a new car, then listen to the public and make a “new ’69 Camaro”. Either way, I’m glad it’s coming back. I love that the horsepower wars are back too. It’s nice to see what the US manufactures are doing. These are just my two cents, and I know everyone won’t agree with my opinions.

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The demise of the 4th gen Camaro IMO, was a threefold problem.
The price of the Camaro was way more than the Mustang to begin with.
Next, the insurance rates where about double for the Camaro
But finally and probably most important, Women bought the Mustang.
So with this in mind ask the women in your life what they think about the new Camaro. For us to get the Camaro in what ever form it takes back, there has to be women buyers.
JMO

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So with this in mind ask the women in your life what they think about the new Camaro. For us to get the Camaro in what ever form it takes back, there has to be women buyers.
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I did...and she said "when is the Trans Am coming out"...

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif I asked my wife what she thought of it while my 5 year old son was looking over my shoulder...he cut in and said, "it looks like a Mustang"...and she said, "he's right!"

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I saw the LA Auto Show edition on Monday, the 9th. With me was old Corvette racer Joe Freitas , who now owns and races the Mo Carter 69 Trans Am Camaro. We ran into fellow Camaro freak, Jon Mello who is very well know in the gen #1 circles especially with 67 Z-28'S.

We all agreed, it is a good start, especially the frame and driveline engineering. The body can be improved, and will be per the Chevrolet marketing people we met. They were very well aware who we were and were very interested in our opinions. They explained that the Cadillac XLR chassis (ala Corvette) and Chevrolets LS-2 driveline will probably be used when the car is released in 08.

It is no secret that John Heinricy and his Caddy group are running the performance section of General Motors. I think from an engineering standpoint, the concept is a good one. Chevrolet wants input from us all, so send this entire string of comments directly to the Camaro group. Your elected Charlie.........you started this. Let Scott know how we all feel. See you in Scotsdale next week!

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A true retro '69 Camaro was my fantasy also, but I didn't GM would take the plunge--Maybe as you say the window of opportunity is here, even if it's just opened for a short time. Right now GM is on the outside looking in. Lets hope they don't make the same mistake AMC and Buick made by getting into the musclecar scene full throttle at the tail end back in '70.--------I'd buy a true retro '69Camaro--

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Overall, I like the new style. The main features of the car that don't agree with me are:
1) the grille section. It appears as though most everyone is in agreement with that. I really do like a less pointed version with RS type headlights much like the one that was photoshopped.
2) I HATE the taillight pattern. It ties it in with the 'vette too much in my opinion. Put some more First Gen appearing lenses in the thing and call it good.

After these "small" adjustments it seems to me that both the non-retro people could be happy with the overall bodylines BUT you could also make the guys demanding a retro-Camaro happy too. Overall, the car is very likeable in my opinion. I would purchase one were it available today, but would really like to see the two items above addressed. That is my $.02,.

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I agree with Racefan...address those 2 items and it would really be nice.

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I saw the LA Auto Show edition on Monday, the 9th. With me was old Corvette racer Joe Freitas , who now owns and races the Mo Carter 69 Trans Am Camaro. We ran into fellow Camaro freak, Jon Mello who is very well know in the gen #1 circles especially with 67 Z-28'S.

We all agreed, it is a good start, especially the frame and driveline engineering. The body can be improved, and will be per the Chevrolet marketing people we met. They were very well aware who we were and were very interested in our opinions. They explained that the Cadillac XLR chassis (ala Corvette) and Chevrolets LS-2 driveline will probably be used when the car is released in 08.

It is no secret that John Heinricy and his Caddy group are running the performance section of General Motors. I think from an engineering standpoint, the concept is a good one. Chevrolet wants input from us all, so send this entire string of comments directly to the Camaro group. Your elected Charlie.........you started this. Let Scott know how we all feel. See you in Scotsdale next week!

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We could not have better person running the performance division that John Heinricy.Not only did he spearhead the CTS V and Z06 projects,he was also the fourth gen platform cheif engineer.He is an extremely talented showroom stock driver and very passionate about the Camaro-I have co driven with him and raced against him.He will get this one right,because the mustangs are very competitve in Grand Am GS cup right now..(anyone remember what happened in 66?)

I would not count on an LS7 being availible,but it will be a well balanced fun car for the 25k estimated msrp.Oh yeah,I think the car looks great!

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Not really my .02 because I've already stated the car does nothing for me, but....

There is a webboard for local guys here that is made up mostly of younger people with 4th gen. cars, ricers, etc. and judging by the posts I'd say at least 99% of them love it. The most common word used by far to describe the car, by them, is "sexy".

I dunno, maybe GM is smarter than we think. If the young crowd buys in they've probably got a hit.

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I planned on using the special GM back door...you know - a COPO... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Place the 1st & last generation Mustangs next to each other, and they look like father and son. This is true for the Challengers too. If Ford & Daimler Chrysler can do it, why can't GM? As far as what the younger guys think of the new Camaro, how many people still wear tie-dye clothes, big side burns, and striped bell bottoms? Those were all popular in 1969, but they were only fads. The 1969 Camaro was a "timeless" design. The only reason that kids today, who have tattoos, plumber's crack, and multiple piercings, aren't in 69 Camaros, is because they can't afford them. Make it look more like a 69, and start by dumping that caddy grill.

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Tom,
The success of the car is completely dependent on that demographic group.The era of dumped integras with grapefruit launchers is entering it's third decade-those teens are now the thirty something target market and will be looking for something less juvenile,socially acceptable,but yet performance based.While GM might respect our niche group assesment of the design,sYc members represent a very small pct of potential buyers,It's gotta be hip for the current buying influence( I knew I could stick a fork in myself when they came out with those caddy commercials ten years ago with Zepplin soundtracks) or it will be stillborn.I think they did a pretty good job paying homage to the 69..got that argent grill stuffed in there and the early second gen tails.. does any gen camaro really look like it's predecessor? Heck your beauty was designed after a Ferrari 250 berlinetta! Ford hit yet another home run with the new stang,hopefully the finished version of the camaro will have the same effect of 40 years ago.

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Welp.............if everyone wants a 'new' 69 Camaro why not buy one in the crate? They're available now and you can dump any motor, tranny, interior, etc. into it that your heart desires. They are certainly more original looking then the concept.

The other question is: Will GM be financially solvent to even build the concept in 09?

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LateBrake,

I hear ya..It sucks getting old! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

I think experience is everything. Way back when I first got a Z/28 I didn't want it because it was sexy. I wanted it because it was nasty! My mom tried everything she could to ruin that deal because the car scared her. It looked agressive. It sounded aggressive. It was agressive.

The younger people are right though. The concept car has sexy lines. And for 25K, probably as sexy as your going to get. I just don't like my "fun" cars to be pretty. I want them to scare people. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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I, too, owned a 69Z back in the day,..just out of high school and heading to college. It wasn't the fastest car on the street but it was certainly the coolest. I like the new design and I think GM, as mentioned before in this thread, has to look to the future not the past. If buyers under 40, under 30, love the design, then GM is heading in the right direction. However, they shouldn't wait until 2008 to put it on the street. Tool up for it now and put it in Chevy showrooms. I know the dealers are screaming for it. Now, when is Pontiac coming out with a new, 2nd generation, Firebird?

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Very well said. It's the emotional reaction that sells cars like the new Mustang and (possibly) the Challenger, especially among the baby-boomers. If Chevy did it right a retro '69 Camaro would sell like hotcakes, especially if it had 400+ HP under the hood. It's all about the emotional reaction and the new Camaro concept just doesn't have that---yet. We can only hope that if enough pressure is applied by guys like us Chevy might redesign it into the emotion-stirring street machine that the '69 was and still is.

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Charlie....Any idea of a website to let GM know what we think? A bunch of people at work would respond of they could find the forum to do it.

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From a posting on Camaros.net:

.....and now you're going to get that chance.

I just got done talking to a colleague of mine in GM's Vehicle Configuration department. His name is Sam Mona and he is the Senior Designing Engineer on the Zeta-Lite program. He is in the process of gathering all the feedback he can on the 5th gen car and forwarding it on to the likes of Scott Settlemire, Tom Peters, Mike Simcoe and the rest of the C5 team. The program has passed through a critical stage here at GM and all signs point to it being a "go". It's now over in Australia where the bulk of the engineering and design work will take place.

Sam is very interested in hearing your comments and he strongly urges you to contact him with your thoughts on the concept.

His email at GM is; [email protected]

Keep it professional and constuctive only, tell them your likes and dislikes and if you have any recommendations to resolve whatever you don't like.

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You Boomers crack me up! If you want a '69 Camaro, go out and buy one! This 5th gen concept is a very good rendition in what a Camaro should be. Did you guys complain when the 1970 model came out? Just asking because it looked nothing like the '69 either. How about the '78 -'79 model which was a boat anchor but made GM tons of cash because it sold so well.

This board obviously attracts those who like 1st gen Camaros (myself included) but when it comes to good business decisions with respect to the new Camaro, GM must also think of those who like 2nd, 3rd and 4th gen Camaros let alone attracting new customers.

The new Challenger is nice but after they sell the first few thousand to you old timers, it will get 'long in the tooth' quickly. There is no way that car will sell 150,000 units a year on a continual basis.

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I agree, first gen camaro's should be kept as the original and the new ones should be totally different to attract the new generation of camaro enthusiests. If you want a 69 so bad buy one and refit it with new technology.

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Funny you mention that Hylton...I originally thought the new Camaro bombed, until I talked to my little bro about it. I'm 30 and into the 1st gen Camaros (and old muscle in general) while he's 22 and pretty into his 4th SS and the like...I felt the Camaro concept was too *Buck Rogers* for my taste but the new Chally hit the mark, but my brother fell in love with the Camaro concept and thought the Chally looked *too* old?! So maybe GM is onto (or on!) something aiming at a younger market? The only thing will be *not* pricing it too far out of reach of that younger market...