Fred Gibb trademark
 

A while back it was reported on this site that Valerie Harrell had applied to the U.S. Trademark office for all rights to the Fred Gibb logo/name. If approved, it could have far reaching effects. Helen Gibb, the sYc, the City of LaHarpe or anyone else wanting to use the mark would need permission from Valerie to do so, maybe even requiring a fee. Helen, myself and a few other members of the sYc discussed this at Vettefest and decided that something needed to be done to prevent this from happening.
Thus, Helen Gibb and the sYc (at Helen’s request) have officially filed a protest with the U.S. Trademark office in an effort to see that Helen is given complete control over how the Gibb mark is used. We felt this was the right thing to do, as Helen has been such a goodwill ambassador for not only her late husband’s name and legacy, but for our hobby. Anyone who has been to the Fred Gibb Memorial car show in LaHarpe, or this past year York US30 or Vettefest, I am sure will attest to this fact.
The sYc is officially involved, in both name and financial support, and we have pledged our support to Helen until a final decision and/or settlement is reached. With no strings attached. Anyone who feels that this is a worthy cause and would like to help in Helen’s efforts to retain the Gibb mark are urged to contact me for details.

Re: Fred Gibb trademark
 

That is pathetic https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif, you go get em Helen https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif. PM sent.

Re: Fred Gibb trademark
 

Sent you a PM.

wilma

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Tom,

Thanks for the update. I think you know my feelings on this, as does Helen. If things workout, I'll be visiting her next week-end. She has become a good friend and is definitely NOT someone to be taken lightly. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

Another HUGE https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif for the sYc. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

Dennis

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Any update on this ? I hope Val decided to drop the attempt and at a minimum send an apology to Mrs. Gibb.

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Hey everybody,

I don't want to shoot a dead horse, but is this subject
possibly what was behind the recent attack on the DH
Funny Car here? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif
Steve

Re: Fred Gibb trademark
 

We don't know. The Harrell folks want to blame this site and Tom Clary especially for all their woes. It is real simple.The Fred Gibb name belongs to Helen Gibb. Not Nancy or Connie but Helen. They can get mad at us for filing the protest but they brought it on by trying to take the name from Helen. Helen never charged Val when Val was selling T-shirts with the Fred Gibb name. Val never asked for permission either. We can no longer see their site so we have no idea if they have given any public explanation as to why Val thinks it is OK the take the Fred Gibb name. Or even if there is a explanation as to why she does not just withdraw her application..

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Who cares about explanations anyway...it needs to be made right...it's ridiculous...

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[ QUOTE ]
Hey everybody,

I don't want to shoot a dead horse, but is this subject
possibly what was behind the recent attack on the DH
Funny Car here? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif



[/ QUOTE ]
Either that, or one heck of a coincidence, since the attack took place a few days after the protest was announced. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Hey everybody,

I don't want to shoot a dead horse, but is this subject
possibly what was behind the recent attack on the DH
Funny Car here? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif



[/ QUOTE ]
Either that, or one heck of a coincidence, since the attack took place a few days after the protest was announced. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Imagine That!!!!!!!!!!!!! But I'm sure it was a coincidence..................Right!!!

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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That whole group reminds me of a bunch of crawfish...guess all of these emails just "slipped their minds"... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

[ QUOTE ]
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Dear Tom,
Glad to hear all is well with you. I'm sure you are eager to get the car finished. If you would, please send me a few pictures of the car. I would be honored to sign the car and I too am looking forward to it's completion. I also would like to authenticate your car with a Dick Harrell Licensing Agreement signed by you and me, that is if you plan on having Dad's name on the car. Moreover, since it was you who guided me in the right direction in getting his name licensed & trademarked and I am especially grateful that you helped me financially get the trademark started, I am only asking for $1.00 for a signed licensing agreement. I hope you will not be offended. I am honored by all that you have done to help keep Dad's name alive. Dale and I will not be at the Hod Rod Reunion, however, we do plan on being at the Funny Car Reunion in Englishtown the weekend of July 25, 26, & 27th. How about you? Again, it is always so good to hear from you. Hope your family is doing well and everyone has their health.
Warm wishes,
Valerie

Valerie Harrell
Dale Pulde
H.P. Racing, Inc.
Sylmar, CA


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[ QUOTE ]
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 8:22 AM
Subject: Fwd: (no subject)

Rob,
Just checking email before going to work. Thank you for getting back with me right a way. I hope to see you both again on of these days. Issues are still unresolved as far as the divorce goes, however, our home did finally sell and I paid all money from that to my attorney. Oh, and by the way, please tell your father that the DH Licensing Agreement fee ($1.00) is already paid in advance.
Thanks.
Warmly,
Valerie

Valerie Harrell
Dale Pulde
H.P. Racing, Inc.
Sylmar, CA


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[ QUOTE ]
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2003 10:00 AM
Subject: Fwd: Final proofs

Tom,
After Englishtown....... it would really nice to create a 1968 shirt for your car. Let me know. Here is what Dale helped me put together. I need to get Helen's approval, as well as Nickey.... your input please on this. I need contact info for these people too, if you have them to seek permission. As always, Val

PS: I have been meaning to tell you that I I just haven't had time to follow up on that licensing agreement for you. Just so you can have it for your records and to let others know that you have my full approval for what you have done with the car. Warmly, Val

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Re: Fred Gibb trademark
 

For the folks keeping score, Rob posted the emails above because rather then Valerie Harrell posting an explanation of why she was going after the Gibb mark, she had her spokesperson Mr. Pulde instead launch another attack at me. This time that I did not have Valerie's permission to use the DH mark.

I just wish they would get their stories straight and then stick with one. First they said I had a DH car, now they say I do not. Once they said it was OK for me to use the DH mark, now I did so without permission.

And the amusing part? They have questioned the quaility of the restoratation of my car, but these are the same folks who had Valerie's '02 DH/Pulde car, painted in Warbird colors! Give me a break!

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An interesting post by Mr. Pulde on this site, 11-5-03.

<font color="red"> I have just looked on this site after being away from it for a while.
To Motown Madman, 396L35 and others who don't know jack about things you speak so knowledgeable of.
Valerie DID not ask the owner of the Kirby car or any others for money to use the DH name. If you boneheads had any balls at all you would have asked Valerie her side of the story. Read the eBay ad a few times. THE WHOLE AD. It says, ìOriginal Dick Harrell #3 car.î Under Vehicle condition it says ìAn all original DICK HARRELL 68 Funny Carî. It is not, was not and would never be a DH original car. It also says "own a piece of history"; racing history comes from wins and famous owners. The DH name is a good piece of Jim Kirby history. What major event did this car ever win? It was painted Harrell colors so he could fill in for Dick. The name Jim Kirby was not one everyone went to pay and see. As for Dick switching to a Hemi and Kirby not wanting to. I raced against Dick and Clyde Morgan who was replacing Kirby in late summer of 70.
Both cars still had a Chevrolet in them.
Valerie asked Kevin who had the eBay auction for NOTHING other than to advertise the truth.
Porterfield was a personality situation. Late 80s, he was denied the approval of Elaine and Valerie both, to use Dickís name and signature. He has since used and abused it.
Think about it, T-shirts, mugs, hats and any other thing he could profit from, including appearance money. Now that diecast cars and other things are out he wanted in on that also. <font color="blue"> Seems Valerie hasnít asked Tom Clary to take the name off his car. Tom has been a true gentleman to the Harrell family, unlike others. GO FIGURE! This also brings up another issue. Tomís car indeed is a REAL Dick Harrell car and the other does detract from the value of there being more than just a few originals. </font> I have the Emails from Valerie and Kevin in front of me. Kevin understood and writes that he should have written it differently. Please make no mistake Kevins car is a good find and a nice one.Just not a Harrell car as advertised
This sounds like the same group that so called heard Nancy Gibb talk about another car, when in fact this same group had that wrong as well. Yep, it was Candy red and thatís all you needed to say it was a Harrell funny car. It wasnít even a funny car! This kind of talk is not fair or good for anyone. I see several names on this subject that call or Email Valerie and act buddy buddy then post crap to stir the pot. She has taken along with the grief of her dads death and losing everything to all the whores, including family and tried to salvage her fathers past for herself, her children and her grandchildren. It was said that Dick Harrell would be proud to hear his name of the loud speaker and to see his cars out there. 1st of all I knew Dick Harrell. He would not charge you people for information about your cars like Porterfield who had it all given to him. Dick would go out of his way to make building your car a dream come true. Therefore he would not be pleased to have people like Porterfield running his name.
Motown Madman quit hiding behind your keyboard and step up to the plate.
Dale Pulde aka Menmyfcs
</font>

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Tom...have you looked into legal action against these bozos ??? I would.

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Been suggested, and who knows? But right now my concern is helping Helen protect the Gibb mark.

Re: Fred Gibb trademark
 

As of this afternoon, it appears Valerie Harrell is still seeking the rights to the Fred Gibb name and logo. Copied from the U.S. Trademark website.

<font color="red"> This page was generated by the TARR system on 2006-01-17 16:42:11 ET

Serial Number: 78577804

Registration Number: (NOT AVAILABLE)

Mark


(words only): FRED GIBB

Standard Character claim: No

Current Status: OPPOSITION PAPERS FILED

Date of Status: 2006-01-10

Filing Date: 2005-03-01

Transformed into a National Application: No

Registration Date: (DATE NOT AVAILABLE)

Register: Principal

Law Office Assigned: LAW OFFICE 101

Attorney Assigned:
MICHELI ANGELA M Employee Location

Current Location: 650 -Publication And Issue Section

Date In Location: 2005-11-22


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LAST APPLICANT(S)/OWNER(S) OF RECORD

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1. HARRELL, VALERIE J.

Address:
HARRELL, VALERIE J.
13820 POLK STREET
SYLMAR, CA 913421714
United States
Legal Entity Type: Individual
Country of Citizenship: United States


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GOODS AND/OR SERVICES

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International Class: 028
MEMORABILIA, NAMELY TOY MODEL AUTOMOBILES AND TOY REPLICAS OF RACING VEHICLES
First Use Date: (DATE NOT AVAILABLE)
First Use in Commerce Date: (DATE NOT AVAILABLE)

Basis: 1(b)

International Class: 041
ENTERTAINMENT SERVICES, NAMELY, ORGANIZING AND CONDUCTING AUTOMOBILE EXHIBITIONS AND DISPLAYS
First Use Date: (DATE NOT AVAILABLE)
First Use in Commerce Date: (DATE NOT AVAILABLE)

Basis: 1(b)


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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

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Description of Mark: The mark consists of THE WORDS "FRED GIBB" IN OLD ENGLISH SCRIPT ON AN OBLONG TEXT BOX SUPERIMPOSED OVER A CHEVRON HAVING THREE CROSSES ABOVE THE LETTERING AND VERTICAL STRIPES BENEATH.

Name Portrait Consent: The name FRED GIBB does not identify a living individual.
</font>

<font color="blue">This page was generated by the TARR system on 2006-01-17 16:45:51 ET

Serial Number: 78578775

Registration Number: (NOT AVAILABLE)

Mark


(words only): FRED GIBB

Standard Character claim: No

Current Status: An opposition is now pending at the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board.

Date of Status: 2005-12-27

Filing Date: 2005-03-02

Transformed into a National Application: No

Registration Date: (DATE NOT AVAILABLE)

Register: Principal

Law Office Assigned: LAW OFFICE 101

Attorney Assigned:
MICHELI ANGELA M Employee Location

Current Location: 650 -Publication And Issue Section

Date In Location: 2005-11-04


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LAST APPLICANT(S)/OWNER(S) OF RECORD

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1. HARRELL, VALERIE J.

Address:
HARRELL, VALERIE J.
13820 POLK STREET
SYLMAR, CA 913421714
United States
Legal Entity Type: Individual
Country of Citizenship: United States


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GOODS AND/OR SERVICES

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International Class: 016
POSTERS, DECALS, STICKERS AND PHOTOGRAPHS
First Use Date: 2004-01-06
First Use in Commerce Date: 2004-01-06

Basis: 1(a)

International Class: 025
CLOTHING, NAMELY T-SHIRTS, CAPS, SHIRTS, JACKETS, AND SWEATSHIRTS
First Use Date: 2004-01-06
First Use in Commerce Date: 2004-01-06

Basis: 1(a)


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ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

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Description of Mark: The mark consists of THE WORDS "FRED GIBB" IN OLD ENGLISH SCRIPT ON AN OBLONG TEXT BOX SUPERIMPOSED OVER A CHEVRON HAVING THREE CROSSES ABOVE THE LETTERING AND VERTICAL STRIPES BENEATH.

Name Portrait Consent: The name FRED GIBB does not identify a living individual.
</font>

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What can we do to help as a group (or as individuals?)

Rich

Re: Fred Gibb trademark
 

[ QUOTE ]
What can we do to help as a group (or as individuals?)

Rich

[/ QUOTE ]

Not for sure at this point, except reassuring Helen she is not in this fight alone.

Re: Fred Gibb trademark
 

Would a letter writing campain from members on this forum and/or others in the hobby affect the courts decision?

I feel it could show that there is a interest in doing something that is fair and right.
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Pantera

Re: Fred Gibb trademark
 

Being a relative newcomer.........by reading what is going on here, it's seems that Val was going in the right direction in the beginning, but was influenced by outside forces (DP) to change directions.......could be very wrong......but "that's my view and I'm sticking to it" (Jimmy Buffett)

Ken https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

Re: Fred Gibb trademark
 

If the applications are not withdrawn and the case goes to a hearing, yes, that would probably help.

Re: Fred Gibb trademark
 

Why can't everybody just ease up and not be so worried about money. After all that is what disputes like this are basically all about. If you are doing the correct things, with respect, the money will come.

Re: Fred Gibb trademark
 

Money rules this hobby absolutely these days. In the era of $800,000 ZL-1's and $200,000 Yenkos, these are no longer referred to as fast,fun cars but as investments. The "hobby" factor is over. Especially for the little guy that works a regular job and could never save up enough money to own his dream car. When the obscene amounts of money came into the picture, everybody wanted in on it and morals just went down the proverbial toilet. How did I miss the point in time where a '69 Camaro is worth more than most homes. I've always been convinced that more money is acquired by ill means than honest ones. The key to material wealth is self-preservation and not to be concerned with "hurting someone's feelings". If this is you and you can sleep well at night, then congrats. Don't forget the old adage, "nice guys finish last". And they don't get rich either.

Re: Fred Gibb trademark ZL 1
 

I just picked up a vintage 1969 mag. It shows a ZL 1 camaro, &amp; it has a ZL 1 emblem in the grille. Was that standard on these cars? I'm a firebird guy. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

Re: Fred Gibb trademark ZL 1
 

can you share that article and pics

Re: Fred Gibb trademark ZL 1
 

That has to be that well-photographed black with gold trim GM press car. I want to say it had four wheel disc brakes and a lower compression ratio for street driving. De-tuned a little for street use compared to the radicalness (is that a word?) of the regular 69 ZL-1 race cars. Shame it never made production. Martin Schorr released a book back in the eighties that had several pictures of it.

Re: Fred Gibb trademark
 

[ QUOTE ]
Money rules this hobby absolutely these days. In the era of $800,000 ZL-1's and $200,000 Yenkos, these are no longer referred to as fast,fun cars but as investments.

<font color="red"> Not true. Our cars are fast, fun cars, not investments. </font>


The "hobby" factor is over. Especially for the little guy that works a regular job and could never save up enough money to own his dream car. When the obscene amounts of money came into the picture, everybody wanted in on it and morals just went down the proverbial toilet. How did I miss the point in time where a '69 Camaro is worth more than most homes. I've always been convinced that more money is acquired by ill means than honest ones. The key to material wealth is self-preservation and not to be concerned with "hurting someone's feelings". If this is you and you can sleep well at night, then congrats. Don't forget the old adage, "nice guys finish last". And they don't get rich either.

<font color="red"> I know several nice guys who have done quite well for themselves. I think the key was, instead of complaining about how bad things were, they went out and made $$$ the old fashioned way, hard work. </font>

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Re: Fred Gibb trademark
 

TC, you are sadly mistaken if you think I am complaining about not owning or being able to afford a "true" supercar and I really, really hope that your reply to mine is not your indication that I haven't worked hard for the things that I own(ed). I can look through my photo album of cars and say I'm pretty proud of almost all of them. In fact, I've done quite well on some recent investments and I'm really glad I don't have the burning desire to own and blow it all on some factory/dealer 427 Camaro. These cars are fun to me. I blast them to the rev-limiters, throw rubber all over the quarters and generally try my damndest to break them. That's what they're for, but too many times I read these threads about how much something is worth or the astronomical price some car or part sold for. You yourself are always quoting to the people/magazines what that funny car or those Yenkos are worth.

Re: Fred Gibb trademark
 

Just sounded like sour grapes to me, and slam on a lot of us who have "blown $$$ on factory/dealer 427 Camaros". https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Re: Fred Gibb trademark
 

Obviously, you have taken offense to my statements for whatever reason, but fine, have it your way. I am not "slamming" fellow musclecar enthusiasts. If you want to accuse me of that word, then accuse me of "slamming" the people that are in this for the money, the people that take advantage of the others that are in this for fun and the love of the cars. Myself, given the choice between a house to live in or a 427 Camaro, I think I'd take the house. To each his priorities.

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif Mark...is there someone here that doesn't have this priority... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif Back to what this thread is about please which is the Gibb name is trying to be taken away from Helen Gibb by greedy people.

Re: Fred Gibb trademark
 

I hear you Bob and sorry for the rant but greed is the root of this thread and it's just a subject that really gets to me on a personal level. The last thing I ever want to see is this great hobby taking a turn for the worse with courts getting involved. To own some else's name is blatantly and morally wrong and it should not take a judge or jury to decide so. I wish Helen luck.

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I kind of thought thats what you were saying !!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Re: Fred Gibb trademark
 

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Myself, given the choice between a house to live in or a 427 Camaro, I think I'd take the house. To each his priorities.

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I'd go w/ the 427 Camaro and live in it! . Even if I still had the house too?? ~ Pete

Re: Fred Gibb trademark ZL 1
 

Hi, I could take a pic. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

Re: Fred Gibb trademark ZL 1
 

Seems to me that if DP had been a better driver/businessman, he wouldn't have to leach others' fame. Yes, I know it's not all one persons doing, that's just the opinion I've come to from the feel of all this. Hell, I could be wrong!

Re: Fred Gibb trademark ZL 1
 

[ QUOTE ]
Seems to me that if DP had been a better driver/businessman, he wouldn't have to leach others' fame. Yes, I know it's not all one persons doing, that's just the opinion I've come to from the feel of all this. Hell, I could be wrong!

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Your opinion seems to be in the majority. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

Re: Fred Gibb trademark ZL 1
 

[ QUOTE ]
Seems to me that if DP had been a better driver/businessman, he wouldn't have to leach others' fame. Yes, I know it's not all one persons doing, that's just the opinion I've come to from the feel of all this. Hell, I could be wrong!

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You nailed it.
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Re: Fred Gibb trademark ZL 1
 

I have always been under the impression that Dale Pulde is considered one of the top funny car drivers of all-time. Schumacher Racing continues to use him to test their Funny Cars.
I am not familiar with his business dealings and or business sense.