70 RS Z28
 

Nice combo,but that tag looks suspect and no paper,run away?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=4603329540

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What's wrong with the tag. I think it's ok.

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Looks OK to me. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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We need Rick H to critique this one.

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Nice Car, I see it's got my fan shroud from hell on it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gifPoor Dual Snorkel. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

Re: 70 RS Z28
 

The car is definitely different.

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There is nothing wrong with the tag on the car. VIN matches build date.

There are however some small items that are wrong. Alternator, water pump (could be a mistype), fan shroud, master cylinder, wrong shifter and knob, radio is wrong, should have slide on top for AM/FM selection, no rear bumper guards. Since there is no numbers for the carb and because the way the PCV hose is routed I would say it's not correct. Bunch of little incorrect items but the car looks good.
Missing smog would be expensive to correct. Wrong exhaust (but how many really have the correct exhaust).

You could pick on it for all the small stuff but the car is nice. It even has the correct and they look like the original fenders. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

Rick H.

Re: 70 RS Z28
 

Vin # on the block should be stamped down by the oil filter in the rough..... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

Phil

Re: 70 RS Z28
 

I agree Phil, 1970 Norwood should be on side. 71's were on the front.

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I have seen the VIN stamped in both places so that is really not an issue.

BUT look real close at the VIN stamp on the block. See anything missing??? Anyone? Anyone?

Rick H.

Re: 70 RS Z28
 

Don't get me wrong the car is sweet but there's no dum dum in the rivet holes,definitely been off at one point then this one leaves you a little less confident-

"IT WILL BE UP TO THE BUYER TO EVALUATE AND DECIDE IF THIS CAR IS AS AUTHENTIC AS WE THINK IT IS. STARTING FROM THE TRIM TAG, WE BELIEVE IT IS DEFINITELY THE ORIGINAL TAG BORN TO THIS CAR."

Does that allow for a rebody? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gifI love a good game of hide and seek,but no docs no dice for this kid at these prices-very kewl color/interior though.

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Don't get me wrong the car is sweet but there's no dum dum in the rivet holes,definitely been off at one point then this one leaves you a little less confident

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I have seen 2nd gens with out sealer in the holes. My 72 doesn't have any and I know the tag has never been off.

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I have seen the VIN stamped in both places so that is really not an issue.

BUT look real close at the VIN stamp on the block. See anything missing??? Anyone? Anyone?

Rick H.

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I don't see anything in front of the N (shouldn't there be a "0") and you can see the partial VIN isn't straight in line so the numbers look to be stamped individually. The engine code stamp looks ok but the partial VIN looks like a restamp.

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Mark,
Do you have an axe to grind here? The trim tag has no apparent issues based on the pics as well as my opinion! The adv, seems to be up front and honest and even welcomes inspection?

Why would you throw around the "rebody" issue even if the tag had been removed? I see no evidence of this from the listing.

As far as the location of the VIN stamp. Since both the trans and engine have a vin it wouldn't be much work to compare a rubbing or digital pics. I have seen them on both locations, with by the oil filter more prevalent.

Re: 70 RS Z28
 

You guys kill me

Re: 70 RS Z28
 

There is nothing wrong with the trim tag.

There is nothing wrong with the partial VIN location either.

There is however a few digits missing from the pad VIN stamp. No Chevy digit (1) and no year digit (0). The trans is stamped correctly so the block should be as well.

The car is still very nice and the word "rebody" shouldn't be in question at all.

Enough said.

Rick H.

Re: 70 RS Z28
 

The Z-21 style trim included in the RS package should have body color door handle inserts... this one doesn't.
Fit and finish of the hood and stripes is fair... just to add to whats been said.
The Yellow looks like multi shades to me. Could be the glare too...

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Nothing like that at all,I think it's a nice car and have alluded to that in both posts.The rebody thing was tounge in cheek(hence the grinning icon) since there has been a plethora of posts on here regarding rebodies,trim tag swaps,ebay banning of trim tag sales etc etc.I just find it amusing the first thing the seller addressed was the trim tag being original to the car-I've seen thousands of auctions and that's the first one ever I can remember where someone has VOLUNTEERED the legitmacy of a trim tag in the auction,followed by "no paper so don't ask" I guess the Oliver Stone in me came out but one could make the statement the guy does not know for sure that's why he put that "believe" disclaimer regarding it- and with all respect the tag looks like it has been off the car,never said it wasn't correct.Stefano,when you had your hugger car for sale on here I had nothing but praise for it while others were taking stabs at the drivetrain originality- Peace out

Re: 70 RS Z28
 

When did the cowl tag code switch to including the "Z"?

My 04A car just has 28.10, no Z.

dave

Re: 70 RS Z28
 

The car looks correct except for the missing rear bumperettes, air system, air cleaner snorkels, wrong fan shroud, and alternator/water pump pulleys. I can't tell if the car has the correct floor mounted accelerator pedal from the pics given. The car may have been hit in the rear. A rare combination of options though.

Paul

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When did the cowl tag code switch to including the "Z"?

My 04A car just has 28.10, no Z.

dave

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I have seen Documented Norwood Z’s with and without the Z stamped on the Trim Tag.

Re: 70 RS Z28
 

My 04B just has 28.10. The 2nd gen. site has the time frame narrowed down pretty well. I seem to recall it was around 6 weeks where the "Z" did not show up on the trim tag.

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I have no sealer on my 70 Z28 tag holes and I'm the 2nd owner and know it's orig.

Wrong pcv hose, wrong oil breather hose, incorrect cig lighter, should not have a front spoiler, missing chrome tailpipes, wrong plug wire boots, wrong rad cap, looks like it's missing the corner rubber bumpers in each corner of the rear bumper. All Norwood cars should have the Z28 on the tag unless it's been swapped with a LA tag or remade incorrectly. The holes in the tag are too darn clean for a driver. Missing emblem on trunk lid too. Bad dash fit to the A pillar, I see wires on the drivers side. Can't afford the vette flags on the valve cover? Missing TCS wires on the pass head along with the temp sensor for the TCS. Missing upper rubber door stopper on both doors. Missing blue GM VIN Certification sticker on the drivers door. I see yellow paint on the pass side lower dash beside the upper air vent.

Re: 70 RS Z28
 

CAR IS SOLD !!! THANKS FOR THE POST, THE CAR IS GOING TO A YENKO.NET MEMBER. THE BUYER RELIED ON THIS BOARD TO MAKE HIS DECISION. I THANK "RICK H" AND "STEFANO" FOR THEIR KNOWLEDGE. AND ALSO WOULD LIKE "LATE BRAKEUS" AND COPO427 TO FIND ANOTHER CAR TO BASH.... SM

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Congratulations Scott

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The car has great potential. Good job on the sale. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

Rick H.

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CAR IS SOLD !!! THANKS FOR THE POST, THE CAR IS GOING TO A YENKO.NET MEMBER. THE BUYER RELIED ON THIS BOARD TO MAKE HIS DECISION. I THANK "RICK H" AND "STEFANO" FOR THEIR KNOWLEDGE. AND ALSO WOULD LIKE "LATE BRAKEUS" AND COPO427 TO FIND ANOTHER CAR TO BASH.... SM

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You guys are hypocrites. Ya want to know if the car is real. I tell you what I see is incorrect that could lead to a fake then you cry like women. Hope the car works out to be the real McCoy. Your welcome. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

Re: 70 RS Z28
 

its back on e-bay!!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Re: 70 RS Z28
 

THATS RIGHT, ITS BACK ON, THE GENTLEMAN CAME OUT HERE LAST NIGHT WITH HIS TRAILER AND ENDED UP BUYING A CHEVELLE THAT I REALLY DIDNT WANT TO SELL. I HOPE YOUR HAPPY TOM.. SM

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Buyer must have bailed https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

Only took a quick peak, but this '71 doesn't look bad.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1971-Cama...1QQcmdZViewItem

I guess we posted at the same time...Ok, good buyer..Just not sure what he wants..LOL!

Re: 70 RS Z28
 

Looks like a pretty darn nice car! Sean https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Re: 70 RS Z28
 

Should it have the year number before the N Rick?

Re: 70 RS Z28
 

Already mentioned in post above.
The car is still very nice and you don't see many in that color combo.

mmmmm, maybe I should just get a completed car and forget about the project Z I have in my driveway. Naa, that's no fun.

Rick H.

Re: 70 RS Z28
 

So if the vin stamp has been added to the deck..Is there a chance there is still a vin stamp down by the oil filter ? I haven't looked at enough 70's to remember.

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So if the vin stamp has been added to the deck..Is there a chance there is still a vin stamp down by the oil filter ? I haven't looked at enough 70's to remember.

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yup, your correct, the same goes for in the heater core box.

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Should it have the year number before the N Rick?

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yes

Re: 70 RS Z28
 

1)Has it been determined on THIS Yellow Norwood Z-28 that it has a 10N5xxxxx VIN number stamped on the Bellhousing Flange to match the alledged 10N5xxxxx on the transmission.
2) Has it been concluded that more than a few other Norwood 70 Z's had VIN # stamped on eng deck. I will ask most of the other 70 Z judges and "experts" at nastyZ28.
3)WHY would a born with eng with VIN stamp, NOT match the VIN stamp configuration of the Born with Transmission......IF in fact they are done with same stamping tool??????

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1)Has it been determined on THIS Yellow Norwood Z-28 that it has a 10N5xxxxx VIN number stamped on the Bellhousing Flange to match the alledged 10N5xxxxx on the transmission.
2) Has it been concluded that more than a few other Norwood 70 Z's had VIN # stamped on eng deck. I will ask most of the other 70 Z judges and "experts" at nastyZ28.
3)WHY would a born with eng with VIN stamp, NOT match the VIN stamp configuration of the Born with Transmission......IF in fact they are done with same stamping tool??????

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70 Camaro VIN will start with 124870N.....
Muncie Example
70N553721 P0E08B
70 = 1970
N = Norwood
553721 = the last 6 digits of your VIN
P = Muncie
0 = 1970
E = May
08 = day
B = M21 (A=M20, B=M21, C=M22)

Axle will be C00 or CRE for a 4.10 (last yr for 12 bolt)

Engine pad will have:
Example: V0101CTB - (V = Plant, 01 = Month, 01 = Day, CTB = Engine Suffix Code),1970 CTB 350 Z28.
Also a partial VIN will be on the pad, IE 70N123456

Both tranny and engine will have the same 6 digit VIN as seen on the dash.

Re: 70 RS Z28
 

I think CamarosRus' question means, the stamped locations should have the same alpha numerics and number of digits since they were stamped at the same time using the same gang stamp....all EXACTLY the same. . So a genuine factory stamping mistake would be on all locations? . ~ Pete

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I think CamarosRus' question means, the stamped locations should have the same alpha numerics and number of digits since they were stamped at the same time using the same gang stamp....all EXACTLY the same. . So a genuine factory stamping mistake would be on all locations? . ~ Pete

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The partial VIN will be a smaller stamp text size.
70N123456