COPO Camaro
 

NOT mine, and I don't have any cash. Maybe it's worth a look.

http://www.racingjunk.com/exec/ca/vi...maro-COPO.html

Could be someones lucky day.

Blair

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This brown is starting to grow on me. Not many around. Wish they had more pictures.

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sammy; sell that small block and move up to the BIG league!!!!!!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gifbbbenny

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Why is the price so low? That kinda scares me.

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I talked to the owner and am considering making a trip to look at the car. Anyone know if Reggie had a Brown COPO in his collection at somepoint, and if so, did it have #'s matching drivetrain and POP?

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bext question - did anyone download and save the COPO VIN List that use to be available at COPO Connection? Its not there anymore....

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Here's a post about this car from earlier this year.

Brown Reggie COPO

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Jeff - this one is supposed to be a numbers matching car with POP - 11A build X44D80 car with cahmbered exhaust. the mention in that thread of Reggies was that it was a clone. The owner was 'told' it once belonged to Reggie, but no proof. Any ideas on the VIN list to check it out?

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Tas, you have mail.
James

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thanks James!!!

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After reading the other thread I would be very careful.

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What's the VIN and NOR number? I have a list I can compare it to. I grabbed Ed's information a while ago and have it in a file.

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I didnt ask for the VIN when I talked to him - wanted to make sure I could compare and I also know some folks are uneasy about providing that. Have asked for a copy of the POP. trim tag is NOR155017 - again 11A build date. also weird is paint code 61 followed by an "F". Any ideas

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the seller told me the pop was provided to him by a research company. wagners car was inspected by ed c.
and determined to be a clone. supposedly the casting dates and numbers looked right on the car at wagners, it was well done, but a clone. texas muscle cars had a chance to purchase the texas car but passed, i understand that the vin was the same as the wagners car.

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The Wagner car was at Scottsdale a couple years ago and part of it's documentation the the timeslips off my old COPO car that someone downloaded off a web site and printed out. It was a clone. This is probably the same car but now has a protecto plate probably documented by the nutcase that claimed to have all of Vunce Piggins records...

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do we know the VIN of the Wagner car? I should be able to get the VIN of this car and compare the 2 to determine if its the same car

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scott wagner will call me with the vin on monday morning, i know that scott provided the vin to a potential buyer in texas and he did not purchase the car. i am not sure if the two cars are the same, but i would be careful on any potential purchase.

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any COPO's known to originate from the Louisville KY area? He didnt have the Dealer name on the POP - but the original owner was from Louisville...

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the vin number is 124379n695xxx, does that match up with the posted trim tag info??

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512 Block -- TO923MN -- X44D80
11A -- 124379N69538*
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/...60451copo1.JPG

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Its the same car..its been floating around now for over a year.. Ive had numerous guys offer me that car. as the old saying goes.. "If it sound to good to be true then it probably is"

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Seller seemed a little put off when I explained that I wanted to see a photo copy of the POP. I told him the people who make those still have not gotten it exactly right.

The whole thing really sounds fishy - He seems to be playing dumb. But I don't know for sure. And if it is real, the price is too low to pass up.

But as everyone remembers -
(if it is to good to be true.......)

Says he has owned 43 Corvettes and had them NCRS judged, but is unfamilar with some of the simple stuff.

The POP - does it look old?

http://216.77.188.54/coDataImages/p/...80popcopo2.JPG https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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AS for VIN mathcing trim tag - VIN looks like early October, trim tag is 11A - that does raise a quesiton. I got a copy of the same POP, although the owner didnt seem to mind sending it or providing the VIN. Does it look right to the folks that have more knowledge about them than I do? Also, there is reference in the link that Jeff H provided about a brown COPO from Columbus that was tagged for a brown vinyl top but it wasnt on the car. Is the location/VIN of that car known?

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does the inservice date on the pop say 11-7-69 as it appears in the photo. if the trim tag says 11a, then they got that car sold in one helluva hurry.

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looks real to me. Vin# is N695386, that is what i see on the pop.

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Yes, it looks like 11-7-69 and the owner advised nothing was on it for the selling dealer or sales date. I sent an email to clarify if in service date was there or not. I'm thinking same thing - some things not lining up just right, but I sure dont want to write off the 'dream car' without knowing 100% that it isnt real...especially when it's one that I might could liquidate and actually afford.

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on the older pop's that i've seen the gm tape insignia does not look fresh and green like that tape, also most of the time the tape has lost it's adhesive ability and is being held on by clear scotch tape jmo.

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If it is the same car , now with pop, that was at wagners a couple years ago then it is definately a clone. I think wagners was the first to get fooled and was for some time attempting to sell it as the real deal. Our freind dennis tuttle was involved with this car for a while also. By the way anybody know what Mr. Tuttle is up to these days ? Would be hard to believe that he is still in business.

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6161x11 - yes, that part of the VIN matches, as does the additional digits that PaceCarJeff added. The trim tag does designate this car to have a brown vinyl top - did the Wagner car have that as well?

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I hope Tuttle is still in business. I still have an unsatisfied judgement against him.


Jason

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the wagner car did not have a vinyl roof, also i,m not sure that the wagner car was a heater delete, i don't know what the wagner car had for a trim tag code as far as the vinyl roof is concerned. i do know that willie wagner flew ed c.
in to look at the car and determined it was a clone, it was well enough done that it fooled wagners. i believe that ed c. found a wiring harness discrepancy that sealed the clone title on the car. the shifter on the wagner car had some marks on the lower part of the shifter shaft that looked like it had been heated and bent to a little different position than the stock shifter, down near the sifter boot base. also scott wagner said that all the date codes and stampings were correct at the time they bought the car, they sold it and delivered it out of state, then the new owner had some questions that couldn't be answered, wagners ended up refunding the money and selling the car as a clone. it sold the second time around for about $52,000.00, scott said that it was a nice car, though the motor was a little bit tired.

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Well, the POP looks pretty good so if it's a fake they did a great job. But if this is the car that had the tags removed at the junkyard then this could be a legit POP but the car is a complete rebody from what I gather reading those old threads. Any car that Tuttle was involved with, I would stay far away from. And the heater delete is not legit since the car was sold in the lower 48 states it was required to have a heater. There are threads going back to 2002 about this car so do some searches and enjoy the reading.

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scott wagner was nice enough to call me back this afternoon with the vin# information, the car being discussed is indeed the car that was at wagners in 2002. scott wagner is a trustworthy dealer in my opinion and welcomed any calls with questions from members. i hope this saves some one a big head ache

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one further note, in 2002 the car did not have a pop

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif Amazing how that seems to happen.

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Very amazing - especially with a POP that looks so good to most folks. I'll just keep looking for that affordable needle in a haystack. Thanks for everyone's information, input, advice, suggestions and guidance!

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This comment is in reference to protecto plates: There are companies/individuals who have been in business many years stamping these plates. Some actually use original blanks as well as the original stamping machine and sometimes even vintage warranty booklets while others do not.

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if anyone is interested, scott has provided a copy of the ed c. findings page on this particular car. pm me an e-mail address and i will e-mail you back the file, i don't know how to post any files. scott said that they lost $20,000.00 on the deal to make it right with their customer.

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This "COPO" was discussed as part of this thread. Charley knows about the car.

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/136076/an/0/page/1

Rick H.

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Going to go look at the car tomarrow. It is about four miles from me. I have bought parts from the current owner before, and he has always seemed nice enough. On the phone, he readily admitted that the car was probably a rebody. I will get the full story tomarrow. He may have gotten stuck with it.

I know many of you disagree, (flame up) but if it is just a rebody issue, I say no big deal if that is put out into the open (in fact, should have been in the ad from day 1). I do not see a whole lot of difference between a rebody and a complete sheetmetal job that many camaro's these days have.

I am more concerned with the drivetrain being numbers matching and it (or at least the cowl) being from a real CoPo car. After all, it was the drivetrain that set the car apart.

Not trying to start a flame war, just saying........

Rich