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SURVIVOR CAR? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif
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I say 68 or 9 nova.
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Hurst Olds?
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No not a Nova, keep trying... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif
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'69 Hurst/Olds https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif
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Damm that was too easy Ed??? But Mark beat you first. Here are few more pictures of what is left of the car... It has been gutted so this is what is left of a car that has been rebodied.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif I'll post more later when I get them uploaded.. Mark
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It would be nice to note the hidden vins...
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Perform an autopsy and post the results. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ouguysrock.gif
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Interesting find and a perfect example of what happens. . This thread could unfold into an even more interesting conclusion....please do post what you find. . I wonder if a re-Vin car exists now and if so, if it's been sold and what the owner knows? . If you bought this tagless hulk now, would you be the legal owner of this Vin and the tags if tracked down? ~ Pete
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I have asked a few law enforcement people about who would own the tags, for a similar situation.
All of them said the same thing. The tags, if located, would be returned to the owner of the body that has the matching hidden VINs. This was a few years ago. I don't know if it still would be true or not. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif Eric |
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Who's got the title? There's your owner.
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It is still true, just happened 3 weeks ago https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif
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Jeff,
The car I was persuing turned out to have a re-issued title, in a recent seller's name. I was warned about the tag swap and found a few leads to the owner of the cutup body. Apparently in Ohio, a reissued title is fairly easy to get with the help of a lawyer and bill of sale. The title was clean, with no salvage or builder indications. I was advised not to buy either car at any price. I was told the reissued title would not retain ownership of the tags in court. Just passing on what I was told. Eric |
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Here in Ontario Canada, it's quite simple to obtain a title especially for vehicles that don't exist in the database. . Lots of people still go the lawyer route and even think it's necessary, but reality is a signed statement without need for a lawyer is filled out and here's your title sir. . Truth is still considered as exactly that until proven otherwise. . If something comes of it down the road, the recorded documents from when the title was issued are pulled out and the story continues from there. . In a nutshell, I could obtain title to any of your cars since they don't exist in the Ontario database! . I've even heard of guys that have brought vehicles out of the states and simply registered it as an Ontario vehicle then "return" home with it. ~ Pete
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Geez, now you've got me thnking about my statement! I know here in Il. they say that if there's no action on a title,i.e.;license,transfer,etc., for 10yrs. it 'falls' off the computers. I'd be curious to see what would happen when they try to transfer the out of state title, if it worked but you still had the orig.(older) Il. title I'd bet the other guy would be in deep doo-doo. Brings up another point;let's say you know of a car with no title and the guy who has it never had one for it.You know the car hasn't been lic. in more than 10 yrs.It's sitting outside and you get the vin and get a title for it...ta-da... your car,right? Think of all the neat stuff parked out in the woods and behind sheds that we all know of...
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get the vin and get a title for it...ta-da... your car,right? [/ QUOTE ] Not quite....like I said before, if I had title to your car would I really be the owner? . It's like stealing something....having it doesn't mean it's yours. . To try your "idea" here, if rightful ownership is later in question, your documents from when you obtained the title are presented and you'd better have the right answers. . If obtained illegally you're trouble for not only theft but false documents etc. ~ Pete |
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Here are a few more pictures of the car... I didn't see the hidden VIN under the heater box, would it be anywhere else on the car?? This car also had plastic inner fenders, the drivers side is still with the car but it's brittle and useless now. Mark https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif
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The primary location for an Oldsmibile Vin on a Lansing built car is on the frame rail,typically drivers side facing outward but could also be on the top of the rail over or near the rear axel. Body would have to be raised or off to find the Vin. Extreme rust on rail may preclude finding the vin. I am not aware of Oldsmobile stamping avin on the body (this was a Camaro practice I believe,or plant specific and not the Lansing plant.)
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Looks like it had some kind of square sign or something on the drivers door?
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In rough shape and sitting a while makes it more unlikely but search the glovebox area, under any junk inside, carpets, headliner, door panels, up in the dash area looking for build sheets, POP's, old insurance slips, service records, letters.....don't forget to pop the back seat....may be old wallets and condom wrappers? . Pop the trunk, any old licence plates....I'd expect the dual exhaust bumper is gone w/ plate attached?. Check the door jamb for old lube stickers....sounds goofy but a service shop who used to do the oil changes could have the Vin on file....and one of these cars could be remembered! . Any of these cars in an Olds registry living in this immediate area??? . Good luck! ~ Pete
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The primary location for an Oldsmibile Vin on a Lansing built car is on the frame rail,typically drivers side facing outward but could also be on the top of the rail over or near the rear axel. Body would have to be raised or off to find the Vin. Extreme rust on rail may preclude finding the vin. I am not aware of Oldsmobile stamping avin on the body (this was a Camaro practice I believe,or plant specific and not the Lansing plant.) [/ QUOTE ] I know this was a camaro thing and also a chevelle thing, so I thought it would pertain in this situation as well. Thanks for the info. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif |
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In rough shape and sitting a while makes it more unlikely but search the glovebox area, under any junk inside, carpets, headliner, door panels, up in the dash area looking for build sheets, POP's, old insurance slips, service records, letters.....don't forget to pop the back seat....may be old wallets and condom wrappers? . Pop the trunk, any old licence plates....I'd expect the dual exhaust bumper is gone w/ plate attached?. Check the door jamb for old lube stickers....sounds goofy but a service shop who used to do the oil changes could have the Vin on file....and one of these cars could be remembered! . Any of these cars in an Olds registry living in this immediate area??? . Good luck! ~ Pete [/ QUOTE ] There is nothing left of the car except the shell. There were no decals on the inside of the doors or any other signs of POP/build sheets/etc. I was unaware about the VIN on the frame rail in the rear but by the pictures as you can see its pretty crusty. Neat car, even in the junk yard. Mark |
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[ QUOTE ] Looks like it had some kind of square sign or something on the drivers door? [/ QUOTE ] Looks like there was something on the passenger door too. Where's Dave H. the resident Olds guy ?? [/ QUOTE ] Back by popular demand (all contributions, monetary and liquid) gratefully accepted)...... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif Wrote this for the Olds board. Some of them get upset when I post Olds stuff on V8Buick or here first.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif <font color="purple">Chapter 23, VIN stamping There are only 4 VIN numbers stamps on the Lansing built cars in that era: the two on the frame, and one each on the engine and trans. The body only had the rivvetted on VIN plate and the blue sticker in the door jamb (can't remember which year we started that, 1970?) I was responsible for VIN stamping from 1968 to 1973 on the Olds assembly line in Lansing. The bodies weren't serialized from Fisher body. The body as received was treated like another purchased part. You can put that in your pipe and smoke it as far as rebodying cars. Should a person with a heart transplant go get a new social security number? VIN number on the frame were rolled on with a large pneumatic fixture with numbered wheels that were indexed for each car sequentially. One at the front was rolled from front to rear and the one behind the rear axle was rolled from the rear to front. Operator indexed to the next sequential number with a lever. Only reason there were two was in case one was incomplete or illegible. Frames had hard and soft parts as well as weld spatter that interfered with the rolling process. The stamps on the engine and trans were a hand held fixture that was smacked with a BFH. Numerals (and the M letter) were individual and manually inserted in the fixture. I've known of 3 very rough 69 Hursts over the years. One was in Illinois (could be this one), another was sold here by a friend of mine and got "lost" in shipping, and the third was the one for sale at Norwalk a few years back. Only the one at Norwalk looked savable to me. My guess is Mopars and Camaros had other stamps on the body because they were unibody or partial frame cars. These changed from year to year back then as big brother lawyers in Washungton began "helping" us design the cars with help from their lobbyist buddies, of course. </font> |
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Cool find is right but a somewhat sad story as it all seems like such an idignity to what this car deserved. . At least it has the '63 Biscayne and maybe '72 Chevelle that loose grille is from for company?
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You can put that in your pipe and smoke it as far as rebodying cars. Should a person with a heart transplant go get a new social security number? [/ QUOTE ] You are absolutely right, he should not have to go and get a new SS#, but he should not be able to take the identity of the person the heart came from either. That seems to fit better in a pipe for smoking, doesn't it? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif |
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Not quite....like I said before, if I had title to your car would I really be the owner? . It's like stealing something....having it doesn't mean it's yours. . To try your "idea" here, if rightful ownership is later in question, your documents from when you obtained the title are presented and you'd better have the right answers. . If obtained illegally you're trouble for not only theft but false documents etc. ~ Pete
[/ QUOTE ] I get what you're saying...I guess what I'm trying to do is figure out how to get/save a car I know of. Here's the deal; this car is sitting in the back of a 'body shop', no title, hasn't been reg. for better than 20yrs. Had the thing bought(money down, no, nothing in writing https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/mad.gif), the shop owner did some kind of dealing with friends of his who happened to be Hells Angels members, there were a few arrests reported in the paper,some pretty gnarly stuff. Turns out it was the 'friends',and ever since we haven't been able to contact the guy. The car is still there but I fear the future isn't bright for it. I know of people who've gotten bonded titles on 'abandoned' vehicles that were left on private property so I'm sure it's possible, just like to find a way that's legal,yet,'under the radar'. This car is way spec. enuf to save.The trick here is there's no one to contest it (I don't think!). https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif |
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This car also had plastic inner fenders, the drivers side is still with the car but it's brittle and useless now. Mark https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif [/ QUOTE ] Sad to see a H/O end up like this... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif I'm pretty sure all Olds Cutlass/442 had plastic inner fenders.. at least 68/69 do. W30 cars had them molded in red plastic. All others were black. |
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"The trick here is there's no one to contest it (I don't think!)."
Be careful here as the vehicle value now as it sits may not be enough for someone to contest title....it's later when you've got your failed marriage and left nut into it, that's when the value may be worth someone's time and money spent on legals? If indeed you did make a verbal deal with the biker-owner guy, do you even know yet if the title is or ever was in this character's name? . Run the Vin and if in someone else's name, you may have better luck trail to follow anyway? . If in his name or not in the database, keep whatever results for your file. . . If you know when you made the verbal deal with the owner, get this stuff written down in the file before you forget it and keep everything in a format that's organized if it ever has to be presented. . I take it the shop owner is still around and it was his "aquaintance's" car? . Perhaps you can persuade the shop guy to provide a storage bill on the car that you can pay in lieu of the remaining balance you owe on the deal? . I'd suggest an extra amount of $ too as good ol' cash just seems to work wonders sometimes! . If the shop guy is a go, before you pay the cash or move the car, post the standard newspaper ad w/ brief description of the vehicle including the Vin looking for the owner to come forth if he has any interest in the car....this is an important part to include in the file (hopefully this Vin isn't a Mopar V-Code or Hemi car or something that attracts attention to other enthusists....if so, lets rethink this part). . Do any personal searches you can for the guy always printing off the results for the file. . Take pictures of the car as and where it sits noting current condition for the file too. . If you're doing the storage deal w/ the shop guy, make sure you get something in writing stating what's transpired and file it too. . As discussed, getting the title is the easy part, defending it if necessary the hard part. . If you're organized (and especially if the opponent isn't) you have great reason why someone wouldn't bother fighting. . If they do, you stand a greater chance of sucess anyway. . Good luck! . Can you tell us what the car is now? ~ Pete |
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I don't know about this one.... It looks like this vin tag had rusted for years and was ripped off with a pair of pliers... What are the odds it could actually be married to another car today and look like it belongs https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif Hopefully someone ripped the tags off and locked them away to keep someone from building a fake. I know there are some guys who do that.. Theres no telling.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif.. But I'd guess that vin tag off this car was probably unusable.. (other than as a model to make a fake tag from.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif)
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I don't know about this one.... It looks like this vin tag had rusted for years and was ripped off with a pair of pliers... What are the odds it could actually be married to another car today and look like it belongs https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif Hopefully someone ripped the tags off and locked them away to keep someone from building a fake. I know there are some guys who do that.. Theres no telling.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif.. But I'd guess that vin tag off this car was probably unusable.. (other than as a model to make a fake tag from.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif) https://www.yenko.net/attachments/175221-vin.jpg [/ QUOTE ] I parted out a 72 W-30 hardtop 15 years ago. Before the hulk went to the scrap heap I removed the vin and data plate to ensure no one else got them. Still have them. |
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[ QUOTE ] That pic of the car w/ the Hurst door logos is very neat....that isn't sweet Linda is it? [/ QUOTE ] No, thats Hurstette Nikki Phillips https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/drool.gif , who I must say is ever bit as beautiful in person as the picture indicates. oh yeah! [ QUOTE ] The driver's wife looks like Lucille Ball....probably there to keep his eyes on the track and away from the top of the windshield?? [/ QUOTE ] |
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Pete, it's a '69 375hp Nova, triple blue, a/t console (please note correct spelling of 'console', the city 'counsel' doesn't meet between the seats!),motor and 12 bolt gone,th400 still there. Rear of car BADLY rusted.Another nova was in the deal that is 100% rust free,you can guess what the plan was. The shop guy got them in a trade,no title for either one,non-rusty one was a drag car and 375 car hasn't been drivable for at least 20-25 yrs.Titles supposedly long gone.This car is saveable,the int. is in it...good shape,lots of work and a CE motor and it could be proud again,I just hate to see them die after they've survived this long. I'm afraid our wonderful Gov't may end up with it and you know they'll just kill it.
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SO GLAD I TOOK THESE anger management classes https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif
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console (please note correct spelling of 'console', the city 'counsel' doesn't meet between the seats!) [/ QUOTE ] https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif I make mistakes too, and hate to be a stickler. But, the city 'counsel' is who would present the case to a judge. The city 'council' meets at the city/county building. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif |
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Pete, it's a '69 375hp Nova, triple blue, a/t console (please note correct spelling of 'console', the city 'counsel' doesn't meet between the seats!),motor and 12 bolt gone,th400 still there. Rear of car BADLY rusted.Another nova was in the deal that is 100% rust free,you can guess what the plan was. The shop guy got them in a trade,no title for either one,non-rusty one was a drag car and 375 car hasn't been drivable for at least 20-25 yrs.Titles supposedly long gone.This car is saveable,the int. is in it...good shape,lots of work and a CE motor and it could be proud again,I just hate to see them die after they've survived this long. I'm afraid our wonderful Gov't may end up with it and you know they'll just kill it. [/ QUOTE ] How do you know it's a L78 car....trans? . And have you run the Vins already to see if they're in anyones name? . If you're following leads, don't forget to ask for old motors and documents while you go. . Don't give up....persevere and you'll get through it. . Good luck! ~ Pete |
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I think that VIN and tag from a 72 W30 would definitely be worth saving with the X in the VIN denoting W30. Previous years don't do that, as you know.
That VIN plate from the 69 Hurst is quite valuable as there is a listing of all the VINs of the 69 Hursts that was found at Demmer. Would be interesting to peel back the floor or trunk floor in the area of the frame stamps and compare that number to the listing..............or not....... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif |
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All I seem to be able to do is grin from embarrassment!
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