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One of the most interesting thing with this hobby or obsession( as my wife calls it) is learning something new. I saw this and thought it was interesting. I know there are some very knowledgeable minds here and I am curious to get your take on this. Is this for real or a another "urban legend" ? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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I read the comments, all crap.

No one knows what the XXXX body tag means.

The car is an unusual combination of options but has the wrong stripes. CE does not mean counter exchange. It is a warranty replacement engine.

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He has been asking around about the XXXX codes on other sites and nobody really has a firm answer for him. I honestly cannot believe it's the only one.

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OK as you see I am not positive what this car was used for but one thing I am sure of is that there is not another Camaro built with the trim tag ST 12467 XXXX BDY ?

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I myself would not have made that statement. I really hope someone doesn't buy the car based on that alone. Statements like that could bite you.

Read the questions and answers and it's obvious he really doesn't know the cars. He didn't know that big block SS cars in certain colors wouldn't have a black tailpanel. Dusk Blue is one of them.

Wish him luck.

Rick H.

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He didn't know that big block SS cars in certain colors wouldn't have a black tailpanel. Dusk Blue is one of them.

[/ QUOTE ] I think you're thinking of the rocker panel blackout below the mouldings that was included with the Style Trim Group. All X66 Camaros got black tail panels in '69 regardless of color.

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No I'm not. I know the difference. Here is the question.

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Q: Why isn't the tail lamp panel painted black as big block cars should be? Was it black, then possibly repainted? Please explain....
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A: The car was painted back to the original Blue years ago I guess they liked it all Blue. We only no the history back to the 80's once it was repainted white only the owner would no if they left it Black or painted it all white, same with the Blue not everyone likes the Black panel?? Remember in the 80's people like to change the car's not leave them stock. Today we are trying to bring these cars back as close to original as possible

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All X66 Camaros got black tail panels in '69 regardless of color.

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Sorry, not all colors got the blacked out panel.

Rick H.

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He didn't know that big block SS cars in certain colors wouldn't have a black tailpanel. Dusk Blue is one of them.

[/ QUOTE ] I think you're thinking of the rocker panel blackout below the mouldings that was included with the Style Trim Group. All X66 Camaros got black tail panels in '69 regardless of color.

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Even factory black cars?...or did they get body color tail panels?...I'm sorta serious cause wasn't the black for the tail panel a semi-gloss type paint?...

Would Jim Mattison have any ideas on this XX XX trim tag issue?...

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From his auction:
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It was a special order car and you could order the car anyway you liked. Also, the car could have been painted any color you want, it could have even been painted a Ford or Chrysler color.

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I don't get it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif Why then is there a paint code 51A on the trim tag instead of special paint code dash (--) found on any other special paint car???? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

I myself don't buy the special paint theory. Not when I see the paint code on the trim tag.

There has to be something else. Reading the posting from other so called experts is pure speculation on their part?

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I guess that it could be considered a COPO but went far beyond that because it could not be purchased from your local Chevy Dealer. You may want to consider this lead.


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Then just how the H*ll did you order it then?? Through the order form an the back of specially marked boxes of Cream of Wheat??

I feel a wild goose chase coming up.

Rick H.

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Look how much money the car is getting so far! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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He didn't know that big block SS cars in certain colors wouldn't have a black tailpanel. Dusk Blue is one of them.

[/ QUOTE ] I think you're thinking of the rocker panel blackout below the mouldings that was included with the Style Trim Group. All X66 Camaros got black tail panels in '69 regardless of color.

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Even factory black cars?...or did they get body color tail panels?...I'm sorta serious cause wasn't the black for the tail panel a semi-gloss type paint?...

Would Jim Mattison have any ideas on this XX XX trim tag issue?...

[/ QUOTE ]I can't seem to remember the paint code but the tail panel should be a semi flat black. Excluding black cars. I didn't see anything on page 397 in John Hoopers reference book that talks about the cars trim tag.

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hey guys i seen this car in the late 80s and the owner showed me the cowl tag with the xxs on it back then, i do not think they were making fake tags yet???

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He didn't know that big block SS cars in certain colors wouldn't have a black tailpanel. Dusk Blue is one of them.

Wish him luck.

Rick H.

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I believe you are wrong. ALL big block SS cars got black rear tail panels, regardless of color. The only exception was the pace car replicas. The black body sill treatment was not included with dusk blue, fathom green, burnished brown, and Burgundy... but these colors still got black tail panels if they were SS396 cars. -JB

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Check THIS out from the CRG site.

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There was also a paint color exception for the SS-396 tailpan black-out, but as far as we can tell, it was limited to black vehicles; in other words, only black (and special models like Z11 and Z10) SS-396 cars did not receive the (semi-gloss) blacked-out tailpans.

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Ed

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Definitely fiction. I'm very far from being an expert but looks like he's got his friends e-mailing him some "questions" to post. Nice car but without any docs nothing can be 100%.

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We are working on a Burnished Brown X66 that was original paint before restoration. It had the gloss black tail panel and NO rocker blackout...BKH https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I feel a gloss vs. semi gloss tail panel discussion coming on again...." I love the smell of napalm in the morning" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/Charley.gif

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Gloss Black....

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80% Semi....

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Here are some pics of my original paint 20K mile 69 L-78 Camaro SS. The paint looks to be semi gloss.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y86...6/DSCN0395.jpg

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Paul

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I say it's satin finish. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

If you paint the tailpanel semi-gloss and wax the crap out of it for say....36 years what do you get? Gloss, right?

Rick H.

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I say it's satin finish. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

If you paint the tailpanel semi-gloss and wax the crap out of it for say....36 years what do you get? Gloss, right?


Rick H.

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So which is it? Satin, semi-gloss,... or body color?

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Why don't we get back to the original topic and start another thread about the correct tailpanel color?

How about someone answer this question. Someone emailed the seller and said [ QUOTE ]
It was a special order car and you could order the car anyway you liked. Also, the car could have been painted any color you want, it could have even been painted a Ford or Chrysler color.


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Why then is there a paint code 51A on the trim tag instead of special paint code dash (--) found on any other special paint car????


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Can someone answer that question? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Rick H.

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Rick H, I agree it was always a blue car, with a 51A on the trim tag, there's no arguing it was originally that color...He may have been trying to say that a special order car COULD be a non-standard color, it just so happens that they chose a standard color for this car... I really don't know where he's going with that one, but as an SS396 car, the tail panel WOULD be painted black, regardless of color choice... as far as what % gloss of black, that can be taken that to a new thread if you wish. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif

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It's pretty clear.
The seller himself never states or suggests in his auction description that this is a special order paint colored vehicle.
Don't let that misinformed email from another,muddy up the the Dusk Blue water.

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My survivor 69 lemans blue L34 has the tail panel painted identical to hotrodpauls's car. Also I inspected an original paint burnished brown x22 car and the rockers and tail pan were painted black. They did not alway follow the rules/documentation in production. Also I had original paint 67 tahoe turquois L78 and the tail pan was black.

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I don't not if anyone brought this up but why does the trim tag start 12467? I would've thought that a 396 car's trim tag would start with 12437 regardless whether or not the rest of the tag is x's.

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The car is a v8 convertible, so VIN is ok.
12467=v8 convertible
12367=6cyl convertible
12337=6cyl coupe
12437=v8 coupe

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Rick -

I was wondering that same thing myself as well as a couple of others too. That's why I started the thread to begin with so others could see for themselves.

It's a nice looking ride with some incorrect items. I read the write up on it and saw things that, for me, did not add up correctly. As we all know a car is worth whatever some one is willing to pay for it. In this instance though, if you are looking to get the $'s this person is looking to get, you need to have a bit more back up and credible information as well as having those incorrect items correct.

I had heard about the XXXX trim tag cars before but the information was often second hand. I still don't have a real good understand on the history and background on these cars with that trim tag. If anyone can direct me to credible information I would appreciate it as it is always good to learn something new. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

I don't know why it has the 51A on it instead of (--) as well as a few other things. If a seller wants to get that type of price he really does need some better concrete information. With the prices going the way they are these days someone could easily get burned. For all I know, this car could indeed be a rare one but judging from the way it currently looks I think we all can agree it never left the factory that way.

Seriously if anyone has any info on XXXX cars I would enjoy learning about it. I tried CRG but my search came up with nada.

Thanks

Tom

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It was already being discussed here and on camaros.net

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/show.../page/0#170092

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Well, he honestly doesn't know the car either. He's posting second, third and fourth hand info and believes it.

He obviously has no clue about Camaros because in the latest Q and A he doesn't know Jerry Mc.. Anybody into Camaros knows him.

The guy is drawing at straws and hoping for a huge payday.

Think about this. With no body sequence number, no build date, no assembly plant code, and no paperwork, that trim tag could end up on any early 1969 V8 Camaro Convertible.
There is nothing that ties the VIN to the trim tag.
This is definately a sale that needs paperwork to affirm the big money that will be spent to buy it.

Rick H.

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Jonesy

Thanks for the links....good reading. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

Tom