Different size Motion bages??
 

I have A set of Motion badges that are much larger than any I have seen on any of the Motion cars I have seen. Did they make more than one size? Mine are 4 1/2 inch long and 1 inch tall.

Tommy

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif I only knew of one size Motion metal badge back then--4"x3/4"------If there's another I wouldn't mind seeing it---- https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I too have only seen one size (original) and that was 4"x3/4". Now I do know of at least one memorabilia dealer who repoped these, along with a couple of other dealers, so maybe one of those?

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No, there actually WERE 2 different sized Motion emblems, although the smaller ones seem to be much more common... This was discussed a few weeks ago in a valve cover thread, where some of the Motion valve covers have the larger emblems in them, that were cut down to fit inside the recess of the valve cover... others have the more common "smaller" ones that fit neatly into this recess with no modification. While i don't have an unmodified example of one of the larger emblems, i do have a pair of original Motion valve covers with these larger emblems in them that were cut to fit. I also believe there was a Corvette at one of the SCR's that had these larger emblems on the hood... I believe it was SCR2,and may have been Daryl Dodd's blue car. I'm not positive on the dimensions of the larger emblems, but they DO indeed exist.

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Thanks... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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These badges were on A car I was never able to get any information on and ended up selling (minus the badges). I talked with three owners and all said they have been on the car as long as they could remember which was at least sometime in the seventies. I kinda figured they had been ordered from one of the Motion catalogs or something. I'm aware of repops but not from that long ago. I'll try to get A picture of them posted.

Tommy

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OK, i dug out the camera... here are some pics of the "standard" Motion emblems... note how the entire emblem fits neatly into the valve cover recess...
https://www.yenko.net/attachments/166999-ebaypics199.jpg

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Compare that to this one... its one of the above mentioned "larger" emblems, that has been cut down to fit inside the recess of the valve cover... notice the edges are removed, and the "M" and the "N" come out to the very edge of the recess. Before modification, these larger emblems have the same outer chrome edge as the smaller ones. Both of the valve covers and emblems in these photos are originals.

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/167000-ebaypics198.jpg

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Thanks for posting those pictures. My pair would be the same as the larger ones except they have not been cut for the valve covers. they were on the fenders of the car. My camera and antique computer aren't being cooperative so no picture yet but thanks again for answering my question.

Tommy

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I know some badges were cut to fit in the valve cover slots, but the slots I've seen on some Motion valve covers weren't the same length as the slots on the old polished aluminum Motion Valve covers---I just never saw them, but never say never------------I'll wait for the photo https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Joe---Do me a favor--measure the length of the slots https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I've never seen Motion covers with different sized resessed slots.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif As far as I know the size of the opening in the castings were never changed, and they are all the same size recess... even the small block ones, as well as the new reproductions of them...Both the covers I just posted pics of are identical in dimensions, only the emblems are different. I'd need to see proof that there were different sized openings in those valve covers, I don't believe it.

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Just measured every pair of these I have... all are the same, and measure just under 4" from one inner edge of the recess to the other. The letters on the larger emblems are nocitibly bigger than the smaller ones... no question there are 2 different sizes of emblems, and they are both pictured below, WITH tape measure for verification...
https://www.yenko.net/attachments/167012-ebaypics200.jpg

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here's the other one...
https://www.yenko.net/attachments/167014-ebaypics201.jpg

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-I just said I saw valve covers with a different size slot---maybe they were made in Taiwan https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gifhttps://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif--I'm not trying to dispute the other Motion emblem just touching all the bases since I really never saw them --------That's why I asked you to do me a favor and measure the slot lengths---No big deal-- We're just gathering info right--
OK-OK--I had bought several back then and size was never a choice--------You sure that's a calibrated ruler https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif----------------I never saw one---since they exist --Glad I did--

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Here's both sizes, side by side... you can see that the MOTION wording on one emblem is obviously bigger than the other.

https://www.yenko.net/attachments/167018-ebaypics202.jpg

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-I just said I saw valve covers with a different size slot---maybe they were made in Taiwan https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gifhttps://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif--I'm not trying to dispute the other Motion emblem just touching all the bases since I really never saw them --------That's why I asked you to do me a favor and measure the slot lengths---No big deal-- We're just gathering info right--

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Yep... Hope the pics help. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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That's the MISSOURI in me Joe---- https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gifRevelation though-

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I have both types of valve covers also and the ones with the large cut emblems are 3 and 7/8" x 1". The covers with the cut emblems are from 1970.

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I have 3 pairs of these things, 2 with the uncut emblems and 1 with the cut emblems, all 3 pairs are/were chromed, not polished, size of the emblems seem to differ. SULLY

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OK I just measured my origional hood emblems that came on my 70 BM Vette and they are 4 1/2" long.

Perhaps Joel made up some that were shorter so they would fit into the valve cover centers????

I feel postive that the ones off my hood were the original ones. I removed them to keep them from weathering when I had to keep it out in the back yard for a year or three.

Pantera

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It seems like the larger ones might be older. The larger ones I have are from 1970 and Pantera's from 1970 are also the larger ones.

camarojoe, can you date any of yours?

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I have a friend that bought a set of MOTION badges (just the badges) back in the early 1970's (have to confirm the date) and they were the larger ones...

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None of 'em are any older than 70, thats when they first were produced at all from what i have found. The idea of the bigger ones being the "first run" of them sorta makes sense to me, as does the idea of having them made smaller to fit in the valve covers in the second batch...I never really gave it much thought until now to be honest... From my experiences in tracking this stuff down it seems the smaller ones are much more plentiful. (although there are also fake small ones out there) My guess is there was possibly only one batch on the large ones made, probably the very first ones in 1970. After paying someone to sit and file the edges off of 2 of 'em for every pair of valve covers, the smaller ones probably were phased in with the second order. (no pun indended https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif) Yenko did similar things with his emblems, using the stick-on style in 70, likely to make installation quicker/easier. I know Rayburn's 1973 vette has the smaller ones on it, both on the body and the valve covers...I don't know if the emblems are the originals to the car or not though, as I believe its been restored. Speaking of valve covers, I'm curious about the chrome plated ones vs. the polished ones... I once thought the plated ones came out later, but if the theory that the "big" emblems were a 70-only thing is true, and you have a pair of original chromed covers with the big emblems in them, it would tell me that both plated and non plated were available from the beginning. (Either that, or the whole theory of the big emblems being early is wrong) The only pair I have with the big emblems are polished (not plated) All the chrome ones I have use the smaller emblems. Born30Yearslate... when you say your friend bought the larger emblems in the early 70s, do you mean around 1970, or much later than that? See if you can get a more firm timeframe, it may or may not help in determining when these bigger emblems were produced, installed, and sold. -JB

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Why not just ask Joel? He did it and he's still around....

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Might come down to that--It would seem to make sense about the larger emblems being first and cut--But The emblems I picked up back then were the smaller size and I always remembered it as very late '69 or early '70 after I picked up the car in the summer of '69
The polished valve covers were picked up later, late'70 or '71--------Gonna have to get Joel to play King Solomon--AT least we'll know the answer to emblems/valvecovers and if I should start lookin for a nursing home :--Either way I could use the rest https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Joe - he purchased the badges sometime between Jan - Mar. of 1972. My guess to all this is that the larger ones were first runs and then he noticed they do not fit in the valve covers and had another size made up and ended up using the larger ones for people who may have just wanted the badges...

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JoeG, I too have always heard that the badges first came out in late 1969, so they could have been on some of the '69 cars. I know both my '69 BM Camaro and the '69 LS-7 BM Camaro were very late cars, both being delivered in early 1970.

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original owner of my feb.71 z28 i bought had given me lots of motion parts with the car. he said he bought parts at motion but never had them do any work to his car. the valve covers he gave me are polished & say japan 739 inside & have long emblems that were cut.there is an additional long emblem that has never been installed on anything & still has the protective backing on the yellowed out 2 sided tape.i called & asked him if he recalls when he got these & he thinks about late 1971.

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Here's a photo of the '70 yellow vette's engine compartment at Palm Beach Motors when it was found in '92(or there abouts )--It says the engine compartment was still completely intact--(I'm just guessing everything is still original from birth)--It does show the long emblems---Can't really tell if the covers are polished or chromed--This car was delivered to the West Coast in 10/'70 ( car was built 8/70??)------------The emblem I have with my old Motion items is the short one--I always thought this was one of the ones I had bought first--But to be honest, looking at a Motion emblem back then I wouldn't pick up on the size unless the two were together as Joe showed---Anyway , for those with a need to know, --Still working back in time to see when they first were issued and if the larger ones were indeed first , but it's getting to look that way--I'll check with the higher ups when they're not so busy--- https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif I think I would like a room with a nice view of the ocean at the home ---------- https://www.yenko.net/attachments/167...----------.jpg

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Hey guy's,if you look through some old magazines,the emblems appear to me, to be randomly used. earliest i found was CARS april 1971 has the ribbon car feature with a picture of the engine that has cut emblems. the latest i have seen is CARS may 1973 and it say's, "we recently had the opportunity to check out the first big block job to come out of motion in 1973."if you look real close it appears to have cut emblems.

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You may not know it but Marty sometimes in haste to beat a deadline re-used some pic. I am sure that some of the old hands on here can point some of the pic to you.

We have seen motor shots that were not of the subject car at the time.

Pantera