Might need help checking out a car.
 

I am watching an Ebay auction for a nice 442 in Norwood Young America, MN. It's supposed to be a real W30 car. Would someone be able to check out the car for me if I decide to bid on it? What is such a car worth, if it's legit?
Thanks,

Dave

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Sharp Car!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Olds...1QQcmdZViewItem

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Please bid with confidence on this desirable hard to find documented Oldsmobile



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I don't see any documents listed excep this statement...very tough car though...

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You have a PM.

Jesse

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Please bid with confidence on this desirable hard to find documented Oldsmobile



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The owner replied to my email with a attachment that was from GM of Canada that documented the car as a legit W30 car. Any thoughts on what else to look for and an approximate value?

I don't see any documents listed excep this statement...very tough car though...

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Just make sure you do the transaction in person. A buddy of mine here in Jersey just lost a $5000 deposit on a 442 when he wired it to the seller of a cleverly hi-jacked ad: the "seller" gave real location info, addresses, etc, but it was all stolen from a legit person. If they ask for Western Union it's surely a scam. I alerted him of my suspicions but a little too late, he wired the money at 3:00 in them morning and the guy picked it up at 3:04 AM.

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If I'm not mistaken, that is the car that Gene Wray just sold a couple of months ago. Gene's son, Mark, is the one that does his paint work, etc. His stuff is TOP SHELF in the Oldsmobile community. I bet the reserve is north of $40k.

Edit: Holy crap .... looks like No Reserve. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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If I'm not mistaken, that is the car that Gene Wray just sold a couple of months ago. Gene's son, Mark, is the one that does his paint work, etc. His stuff is TOP SHELF in the Oldsmobile community. I bet the reserve is north of $40k.

Edit: Holy crap .... looks like No Reserve. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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No reserve and the woman selling the car said she would sell it for $16,000.00 with shipping anywhere in the US. I know, if it sounds too good to be true it usually is.
Plus the seller has zero feedback and just registered 9/23. I guess if I was smart I would just forget about this car and consider myself lucky but, it does look like a nice car.

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OK - something is definitely up with this car. After looking at the pics again, I see that they are the same pics that Gene/Mark used when he put the car up a few months back. The last shot shows it in a paint booth. That's a dead give-away. I bet you dollars to dog-$h!t that this is a scam. Send your money into never-never-land and good luck getting a car in return. Run away QUICKLY from this ........

Also, why would you have a *507* Minnesota area code and ask callers to call Pacific time ? Seem kinda strange ???

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You have those picts? or the ebay names to look it up...the ad says this "I would do paypal but have had bad experiences before so I am doing money orders or a service recommended by eBay."
So you could go with an escrow service to be safe..

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Here's the original, LEGIT auction.

'69 W-30 442

Some of the pics look familiar ???

Looks like the description is a cut-n-paste of the original.

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This does sound way too familiar. I recall my buddy saying it was a woman selling the car that he got scammed on. Run away NOW!

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send 20 bucks and have the local police meet her/him at the the payment location and have them exsplain why there picking up a check for car they dont own...they may want a easy arrest about now....just a thought.

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I see all the bidders are retracting their bids. I wonder who would have tipped them off..Hmmm https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I just got a message from the Wray's. The car is still sitting in their shop in Vancouver. They have reported it to EBay. WTF is up with some people ? Like nobody knows ? This stuff is in small circles. Idiots.

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Thanks for jumping in and helping, Casey... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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PS - The contact number is a fax. I sent a fax .... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

Rob -- Can I post a pic of the fax I sent ? It's "R" rated. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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I'd be disappointed if you didn't!

Post it... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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The fax ...

http://www.fototime.com/E13A9DD568B2E87/standard.jpg

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You're such the wordsmith...NICE!!!!!!!!!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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Would be real neat if the high bidder that made the $4000 payment in person was a FBI agent.

Oooops https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

Can you say w-i-r-e f-r-a-u-d?

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casey, that is some funny s**t! i live an hour away from that town. i'm going to e-mail them and see if i can set up a visit.

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I laughed Casey!
Its a neat car though...!

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This just gets weirder and weirder !

Check this out !

This is the legit paperwork for the car, showing the "Customer" name of the guy that Gene bought the car from that got the GM of Canada paperwork.

http://www.fototime.com/8F771CE1AA11FFB/standard.jpg

This is the "paperwork" that this idiot sent to me showing that they were the "customer". They friggin doctored up the pic to show themselves as the customer !! SCARY stuff.

http://www.fototime.com/A7AFCEA8E0C18F0/standard.jpg

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I would send that to the FBI...This hobby is no longer a hobby, its full of scumbags and crooks.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif

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I would contact your local FBI office and tell them what you have. Depending upon the local United States Attorney's Office and thier minimum prosecutorial guidelines, it may or may not be something they would devote time to investigate. Mail fraud and wire fraud are two violations that come to mind. Internet-based fraud is a big media coverage item at the moment so they might be interested in the case.

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How would I go about contacting the FBI about this douchebag? I have one email with the fake document from the seller that I could forward.
I am really starting to distrust Ebay and wonder where is the best place to find a legitimate musclecar when it comes time to buy?

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here is the reply i got back via e-mail:

Hi,



The car is located in Norwood Young America MN. It has all the papers(complete) as well as the servicebook.

I want this transaction to be smooth enough as I am caught in the middle of some very important events and have very few time at my disposal. The car is in perfect condition, no scratches, no special marks, no need for additional repairs what so ever. 45352 miles onboard, a great car ready to be yours. It has no accident or any engine problem.

The price is $16,000 including shipping costs anywhere in the continental US. There are no other costs regarding this transaction. Now, in order to be able to buy it please let me know if you have any negative feedback and, if this is the case, for what reason. I apologize for asking for such information but I need to be sure.

Please also provide me with the following details necessary to take a decision:

-your full name and address for shipping

-your ph#



Regarding payment I am aware of the buyer's protection and we will use eBay Motors secure payments. I require a deposit for $ 4,000 with eBay Motors which will hold it until the buyer receives the car. Deposit is refundable if you do not accept the car. To complete payment the you must have cash available.

If I receive the requested information you will be informed by eBay during the next 12-24 hours.



Thank you.

Rita Pinto


jurys still out on this one.

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car is off of ebay right now.

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here is the reply i got back via e-mail:

Hi,



The car is located in Norwood Young America MN. It has all the papers(complete) as well as the servicebook.

I want this transaction to be smooth enough as I am caught in the middle of some very important events and have very few time at my disposal. The car is in perfect condition, no scratches, no special marks, no need for additional repairs what so ever. 45352 miles onboard, a great car ready to be yours. It has no accident or any engine problem.

The price is $16,000 including shipping costs anywhere in the continental US. There are no other costs regarding this transaction. Now, in order to be able to buy it please let me know if you have any negative feedback and, if this is the case, for what reason. I apologize for asking for such information but I need to be sure.

Please also provide me with the following details necessary to take a decision:

-your full name and address for shipping

-your ph#



Regarding payment I am aware of the buyer's protection and we will use eBay Motors secure payments. I require a deposit for $ 4,000 with eBay Motors which will hold it until the buyer receives the car. Deposit is refundable if you do not accept the car. To complete payment the you must have cash available.

If I receive the requested information you will be informed by eBay during the next 12-24 hours.



Thank you.

Rita Pinto


jurys still out on this one.

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That's the exact same reply I got from the seller; word for word.

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How about a call to one of the car mags or even Dennis Gage and see if they will do a story on this to make the public more aware of the dangers of buying cars online with ebay, maybe with all the publicity ebay will finally do something about it..Im sure the sudden stock dip will cause alarm https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif

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sam, that is an awesome idea. I would like to see all the car magazines do a feature about this problem. It would atleast keep some new ebayers or new collector car buyers from getting ripped off. But there is no way ebay can keep track of who owns what car. Roger

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But there is no way ebay can keep track of who owns what car.

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Sure there is, by vin numbers, backed up by photo, if they see a duplicate they can check it, if you dont list the vin you cant sell your car..pretty easy..

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on occasion i will broker a car for friends. I have been approached with scam buyers, with a (fake) cashiers check for more than the car, then they want the car AND the difference in cash. I did contact the FBI........Response ..... no time for internet related scams because they have hundreds a week reported......that is why they run rampant.
I personally think the only answer is vigilanti style outing of their scheme or hasselling of these pond scum. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

by the way Colin has had some of his cars (pics) highjacked and then put on ebay. when i spotted one i contacted the guy he said the car was in Italy (of course i had seen it 2 weeks prior in Mil.) I emailed him that that was perfect as I worked for the CIA and would be in Italy in 2 weeks.......never heard from him again..... i wonder why https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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my newest repsonse when i pursued a look over

Hi ,



I said the car is inNorwood Young America MN.. but did not said I'm there also. Sorry for that. I'm a hotel manager, now in Hawaii actually and will not be there to hand it over or something like that. The rest of the money you can give me cash or check is not a problem. This is why we'll work through eBay Motors Customer Department and they will keep the money until the purchase is final and you test it and accept it. Sorry for not being clear from the beginning, my fault.

Let me explain you how the ebay process works.

The process works something like this:

1. You send the requested amount to an ebay motors representative.

2. eBay will confirm me that you have made the payment.

3. I will ship you the car so you can test drive the car.

4. If you will not get exactly the same car that you have viewed in the ad, and also a clean title you will receive all your money back from ebay motors.

5. If everything is ok ebay motors will get the approval from you to release me the founds and you will give the rest of the cash directly to me.

If you agree with this process please let me know your full name and address and I will forward the details to ebay motors.



Thank you.

Rita Pinto

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Would be interesting to see how they handle the fraud from this point

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Cool, Hawaii works, Get Jeff to meet her in person https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Would be interesting to see how they handle the fraud from this point

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Maybe its like the movie Gone in 60 Seconds and they will steal it to fill your order https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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Do any of you guys or gals get these! I have deleted so many of these e mails that I am sick! So now I just respond and this is what I told this person and gues what I have not heard from anymore of them since this response!


-----Original Message-----
From: stephy guei <[email protected]>
Sent: Sep 24, 2005 5:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Miss Stephy Guei.

From:Miss Stephy Guei.
04 BP 20145 Abidjan
COTE D IVORIE
WEST AFRICA.
ALTANATIVE EMAIL ACCOUNT/
[email protected]

Dearest,

I am Miss Stephy Guei from Cote d'Ivoire, I got your
contact on my search for a foreign partner,I am the
daughter of Chief Dr.Toure Guei.My father was a business
consultant and Gold and diamond dealer,based here in
Abidjan,Cote D'Iviore.

My Father was assasinated by the M P C I rebels still
occuping half of my country till date.Before the death of
my father he made a deposit of 10.5.million untied states
dollars in a bank security firm in one of the asian
country,and made me the next of kin.if you are ready to
assist me i will send you the contact for verification.

Based on your profile I beleive that you will honestly
assist me in transfering this money to your account in your
country,while i will jion you as soon as you have confirm
the arrival of the money in your account,as it is now my
intention to go into investment partnership with you in any
business of your choice and advice.

Because of the present condition of my country.You are to
act as my father's foreign partner since my late father
made the deposit as foreign partnership funds un behalf of
his associates and family.

I will be glad that you are to be my foreign partner,I have
all the documentations of the deposit and will like to send
it to you upon your request.I have agreed that the total
sum will be on your care for investment.I need your kind
assistance and advice.

I will like you to treat this transaction with absolute
truth and God fearing minded.

I await for your urgent response so that i will send you
the contact of the bank to enable you proceed for the
claim.

May the good God be with you,

Yours faithfully
Miss Stephy Guei.

Hello Stephy,Yes I can become your partner,but I must inform you I am a CROOK! I
have served 15 years in Prison for Murder and Robbery.But if that does not bother
you I will be your Partner.I love to spend other peoples money and will be glad
to spend all of yours. But to know you are true and honest I must require TEN THOUSAND
dollars in cash before I can faithfully be your Partner! If you want to send the
monies to me let me know and I will gladly send you the information as to where
to send it to.

Thanks

Bobby

But to you guys let me clarify I am not a crook,Have never served time in the pen!And I am not looking for any partners! LOL But I am just tired of all the scamming! I have sent some e mails that were outright disgusting and even pissed some scammers off really bad to where all there friends sent me e mails ETC! So I just thought I would send this to see what happened and I was very surprised not to hear back from them! LOL

Bobby Dodson