69 Camaro COPO on Ebay
 

Check it out. Do you think it is for real?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet...575831409QQrdZ1

Paul

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A 16K mile X44 with style trim, black grill, no trans, rear,Jan motor, may build, ect... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/crazy.gif sure, why not, maybe its ZL1 56 https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif

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Majorly discussed here:

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/show.../page/0#157096

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Sam,

I have seen several original engine COPOs with January cast Engines, May Body tag dates and varying pad dates.

As far as missing drivetrains, grills painted incorrectly, and the wrong trim options added or even removed over time... I can't count the times I have seen this with real COPOs.

Many of these cars lived a very hard life.

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Let me set the story straight. I am the owner of the COPO on e-bay i bought the car just the way i got it added ,Im not trying to fool anyone I know the car is real, as for the motor, i was told it was the real deal, after talking with people i have just found out it could be a restamp if it is someone did a great job, but it was not me this is how i got the car. I DO NOT DEAL IN CLONE CARS. and for those that say they know me thats BS also im not out to fool anyone they can come look at the car any time they want. the guy that says he has the original motor offered it to me for $10.000 now he wants $20000. i want $70000 for the car. but he won't sell the car to no one else unless he can buy the car.

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sorry ,he won't sell the motor to anyone else unless he can buy the car.

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Thanks for coming on...always good to hear 2 sides....

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IM NOT OUT TO LIE TO ANYONE ABOUT THE CAR I JUST BOUGHT THE CAR AND THEN STUMBLED INTO A BEES NEST ON THE MOTOR ISSUE. IF SOMEONE CAN HELP ME WITH THE TRUTH PLEASE DO, TALK IS CHEAP I NEED PROOF AS FAR AS THE MOTOR IS, OR IS NOT REAL.AND AS FOR THE GUY THAT SAID HE WOULD NOT SELL ME HIS gto AT ANY PRICE (1) HE DOES NOT EVEN KNOW ME AND SECOND WHAT FOOL WOULD NOT SELL A CAR AT ANY PRICE SAY1 MILLION $$$$$$$$ NOW WHO IS THE IDIOT. i HATE GUY THAT TALK SH--.

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Cars... go to this thread. A guy inspected the engine 10 years ago and it had your vin. His main beef with you is people are telling him that you are telling them his is a restamp. Why would he stamp a engine over 10 years ago with a vin to a car that he knows nothing about ? If you post pics of your engine stamping we will probably be able to tell it is bogus. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat...e=0&fpart=3

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Im not saying he restamped anything, what people must understand is i bought this car with this motor after i listed the car, is when i got hit with all the motor ? i BUY AND SELL MUSCLE CARS THAT ARE REAL, I DO NOT LIE TO PEOPLE ABOUT CARS . They are more than welcome to come look at my cars or send someone out to look at them. I just know what im told when i buy the car. and as for me buying a car with no cowl tag and selling it as an SS thats BS because i would never buy a chevy camaro with out one thats like having no title. and i never said i had any one verify the car because i have not. I talked with Edd Kunnen and he said if i brought the car to him he would intertain the thought of look at it. but he does not go look at them anymore,and as for Mr Lopata, he has never helped me with the car. so lets end the BS.I love muscle cars I just wish people would tell me the truth when i buy them. Because I do not know everything just what im told. this has been a great learning experence.

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Can you post a pic of the trim tag? The body build seems a little out of sequence. I have an original X22 car with an 04C build date, 634XXX Vin and 319055 Body Sequence number. The car listed has a 641030 VIN which is a week or two later with an earlier Body Build # 292789. With the VIN listed, the body should have a 04D to 05B build date listed on the trim tag. I would check the rivets closely for a swapped trim tag. Could this be a normal production tolerance?

Paul
69 Camaro SS L78 M21 4.10's
70 Camaro Z28 M40

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Many of the COPO body #'s are out of sequence.

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As a courtesy I did offer the engine to him at $10K (what I had to invest to get it). He declined. The price went to $20K when the first intersted buyer contacted me about me restamping my engine. After a few more people told me I was referred to as a restamper, the engine became no longer for sale. But it was available for inspection.

Tonight I made an offer of $45K for the car to Jim.
The car at present is an X44 body with:
1) NO paperwork
2) a RESTAMPED engine
3) an INCORRECT transmission
4) an INCORRECT rearend
5) in need of a $30K to $40K restoration

I already have a large investment in the engine, rear, and tracking fees for the car. Lot of good my trackers turned out to be.

I think my offer for the car is fair for its current state/condition.

Does anyone think my offer is out of line?

I even offered to let Jim use my engine as evidence in a fraud suit, if he wanted to try to get his money back from the person he bought the car from. He declined that offer earlier.

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Both of you need to post a close up picture of the VIN stamping on your respective blocks.

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if you don't lie then, what about the post that says you stated cuneen and lopata verified your car and lopata states thats absolutely not true? this happens so much, you people list your cars as being the real deal and then you get caught with your pants down and come to the different boards trying to defend your case ranting and raving about this and that and before its over your made to look like fools. I've read your posts. everything appeared to me like you may have also been the victim of deception, until I read the one about lopata and cuneen verifing your car, after that all bets were off. at least it appears in this case you have a real copo car just not the real powertrain.

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You better learn to read, I NEVER said they verifed anything because THEY DID NOT, so have someone read it to you again, its come to my attention last night that I my have bought a car with a restamped motor, and who did it, I don't play that game. I AM TRYING TO FIND OUT THE TRUTH TODAY.

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All these guys making clones will one day soon be eating their words and loosing their shirts and that includes duplicated VIN's in different States/Countries. Just like in the Terminator movie. Judgement Day is coming. That's all I have to say.

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Hopefully one day those chevy numbers will turn up like the pontiacs...there will be lots of newly changed phone numbers and cars for sale cheap...
Have you driven a clone...lately..

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Jim (cars):

Hope you understand the scepticism on this board. Lots of knowledgeable guys, and there have been frauds uncovered before. Some obvious, some not so obvious.

Hopefully we can look at all the FACTS and then each person can come to their own conclusion. Looking back at your first auction for this car, I don't see where you used either Ed's name or Lopata's name. However, your auction does state:

"I have spoke with the COPO pro on this car, gave him all the # and he said it was the real deal."

Most folks would take that to mean Ed, or at least someone in the know. As far as any restamps, there have been requests for pictures of your engine pad and partial VIN as well as the one owned by 69L72SS. Think all of us would like to see those pics as well as Trim Tag pics.

As to whether you actually accused anyone of restamping a motor to match this car, I have yet to see a copy of any such email. If anyone has such evidence, let's see it. Getting information second and third hand isn't very reliable. Stories get changed. If in fact you did accuse 69L72SS of restamping his engine without knowing the history, and I am not saying you did, that would sure put a dent in the old integrity. If it turns out you purchased a restamped block, then I would think you would want to pursue that, and at the very least, expose the fraud who sold it to you. We would all like to avoid those guys.

Hopefully all can keep an open mind until more facts come out.

Just my opinion.

Lynn

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Another thing, I'd be holding off on buyng any US Muscle Cars especially the high dollar ones "COPO, sYc, ZL1, L78, LS6, LS5, L88".

My .02

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I won't be the one reuniting the engine and the car.
I can't justify the numbers he is placing on the cars value. I spoke to the seller tonight about buying the car or selling him the engine.
I offered him the engine and the BE 0424 rear and he didn't seem interested in anything but the contact info for some possible documentation on the car.
He stated that someone has offered him 90K+ to end the auction early. He didn't appear to care that the engine he lists as "original" is a restamp and didn't see anything wrong with the way it was listed. He says he is ending it early Thursday.
He also stated that the car was verified by a "Mr. Lopata"
and a "Mr. Cuneen". He said Tim had him just about completely disassmble the car to verify it was original.

Is a "base" COPO project with a restamped block/wrong trans/wrong rear worth 90K? Just curious on unbiased thoughts from other members. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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are you not the person stating this information in a phone conversation?

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I won't be the one reuniting the engine and the car.
I can't justify the numbers he is placing on the cars value. I spoke to the seller tonight about buying the car or selling him the engine.
I offered him the engine and the BE 0424 rear and he didn't seem interested in anything but the contact info for some possible documentation on the car.
He stated that someone has offered him 90K+ to end the auction early. He didn't appear to care that the engine he lists as "original" is a restamp and didn't see anything wrong with the way it was listed. He says he is ending it early Thursday.
He also stated that the car was verified by a "Mr. Lopata"
and a "Mr. Cuneen". He said Tim had him just about completely disassmble the car to verify it was original.

Is a "base" COPO project with a restamped block/wrong trans/wrong rear worth 90K? Just curious on unbiased thoughts from other members. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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are you not the person stating this information in a phone conversation?

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Not sure whom you are directing your question towards, but I believe Eric (the one who has the engine) made that statement.

Lynn

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yes, the phone conversation qoute is between the man with the engine and the man with the car, where as earlier the man with the car posted he never spoke or came in contact with tim lopata or ed cuneen, but the phone conversation clearly states lopata "having him almost completely disassemble the car to verlfy its authenticity" someone is clearly not stating the truth. if the phone conversation in the post is not with the man that owns the car presently and posting in this forum i'am truly sorry for my misunderstanding.

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Is doomsday coming ? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

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I think the Canadians are about to invade us and take all our oil! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gif

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Thats what I read too Gem....I think the consesus is the car is a real COPO but which motor is legit...

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As a courtesy I did offer the engine to him at $10K (what I had to invest to get it). He declined. The price went to $20K when the first intersted buyer contacted me about me restamping my engine. After a few more people told me I was referred to as a restamper, the engine became no longer for sale. But it was available for inspection.

Tonight I made an offer of $45K for the car to Jim.
The car at present is an X44 body with:
1) NO paperwork
2) a RESTAMPED engine
3) an INCORRECT transmission
4) an INCORRECT rearend
5) in need of a $30K to $40K restoration

I already have a large investment in the engine, rear, and tracking fees for the car. Lot of good my trackers turned out to be.

I think my offer for the car is fair for its current state/condition.

Does anyone think my offer is out of line?

I even offered to let Jim use my engine as evidence in a fraud suit, if he wanted to try to get his money back from the person he bought the car from. He declined that offer earlier. [/quote

Eric, I don't think your offer is out of line at all, he wants to sell, you want to buy. Has he given you a concrete price? Hopefully the two of you can work a deal.... After looking at the pictures I thought it was mandatory that all copo's came with power front disc brakes. I don't see a power booster on that fire wall.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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i thought they all came with power brakes also. no booster but it does have a power brake pedal pad. wonder what happened to the booster?

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What I'm saying is and I have said it before, I think to get the prices down everyone needs to stop buying all muscle cars/parts until the prices become affordable to us. I don't know about you, but I don't have a money tree and I want a nice 70 Chevelle SS 396 and can't afford the high dollar cars IE LS6, L78.

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Another thing, I'd be holding off on buyng any US Muscle Cars especially the high dollar ones "COPO, sYc, ZL1, L78, LS6, LS5, L88".

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What I'm saying is and I have said it before, I think to get the prices down everyone needs to stop buying all muscle cars/parts until the prices become affordable to us. I don't know about you, but I don't have a money tree and I want a nice 70 Chevelle SS 396 and can't afford the high dollar cars IE LS6, L78.

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/crazy.gif

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Another thing, I'd be holding off on buyng any US Muscle Cars especially the high dollar ones "COPO, sYc, ZL1, L78, LS6, LS5, L88".

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What I'm saying is and I have said it before, I think to get the prices down everyone needs to stop buying all muscle cars/parts until the prices become affordable to us. I don't know about you, but I don't have a money tree and I want a nice 70 Chevelle SS 396 and can't afford the high dollar cars IE LS6, L78.

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smirk.gifI sent this same memo to all the brokerage houses back when I was trying to get Microsoft for 10 bucks... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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Sure,I would love to see the value's of my cars go down,so you can buy a $20k '70 396 Chevelle.
Anything else we can help you out with?

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Two words:

Supply

Demand

The End

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Two words:

Supply

Demand

The End

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Umm, supply and demand isn't part of the program up to the north, is it? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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We even got screwed on the Free Trade deal with the US on cars. If your bringing a car from the US to Can, don't lie about the purchase price. They'll ask you twice and each time you lie an additional percentage gets added. One guy I heard bought a hemi car and ended paying an additional 40% on top of his purchase price. The border called the seller for the price he paid. The car was mint.

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Wow...can they do that ?

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Wow...can they do that ?

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Eh, why not, its just another third world country taking advantage of its poor ole peasants https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

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Wow...can they do that ?

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Tell ya what. You try it and let us know how you make out. Since you live in the States, tell them your delivering a car to Can to someone. I bet we see a https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif going the the other way.

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More like no supply,and high demand.Correct cars are like prime homes in desireable areas..while there may be a slight correction looming,those who are calling for a bursting bubble in either market might be holding their breath.
JMHO