1970 Daytona?
 

Anyone ever heard of one of these? For the price they're asking it would almost have to be legit https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/shocked.gif.

70 Daytona R/T SE

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1 of 3 i believe....... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

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It was a dealer created car. Over the years there were rumors of 3 1970 model year cars having been built. Numerous fake cars have surfaced ( a lot more than 3) but none with documentation have been found to date. Mopar Collectors Guide had a nice article debunking this car a few issues back.

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Mopar Collectors Guide had a nice article debunking this car a few issues back.

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Bummer! Is that like "Mythbusters?"

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I read that too...very elaborate hoax if this is the same car...

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It's the same car. This dealer has had it for the past 20 years or so. If he removed the wing and nose and converted it back to what it should be, the car would be worth quite a bit: It's a 1970 Charger R/T 440 Six Pack four-speed, factory sunroof car. There is only one other known to exist and it's pink with a white top.

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So did he actually hurt the cars value by creating this Daytona?

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So did he actually hurt the cars value by creating this Daytona?

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I think Steve answered that question. Affirmative. Patrick

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So did he actually hurt the cars value by creating this Daytona?

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I think Steve answered that question. Affirmative. Patrick

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Ok, now this has peeked my interest. I have always liked these cars having owned a few Mopars in my life time.

Just what would be the expected value of the car if it was put back original?

Steve said that only one other is known to exist.

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If he removed the wing and nose and converted it back to what it should be, the car would be worth quite a bit: It's a 1970 Charger R/T 440 Six Pack four-speed, factory sunroof car. There is only one other known to exist and it's pink with a white top.

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We all know not as much as a real Daytona but buying a fake car at a reasonable price to get a real rare car might be worth while. If you can get the buyer to choke and sell it for what it is.

Just a thought and interesting.

Rick H.

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Nothing about this car(in its current configuration)is desirable to me. Its a clone in my eyes. Thats fine! Valuable? Not to me. Maybe to others. Patrick

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I think he wants $250,000 for it as it is. Of course it is worth nowhere near that in my opinion. I would estimate if it was "unconverted" back to its original shape, it could be worth $125,000??? in perfect condition. That sunroof option plus the 440 Six Pack and the four speed on an R/T-SE(with broadcast sheet to authenticate it all) are all very rare and high dollar options.

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I talked to the owner last night he says he is second owner with all paperwork on the car, he said Chrysler even has documented that it ia real car and 35 of them were supposed to be built in 1970 but only one was. Are you saying it cant be real because its a 1970 Daytona and not a 1969 or do you know something else.

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The car is well known. The paperwork he has does not confirm that Chrysler built the car with a nose and wing on it. The best resource would be Mopar Collectors guide. The articles were in this past years issues. Very good investigative reporting. They tracked down everyone who had a hand in this car over the years and there was some very suspicious activity in its early years. Why do think this guy still has this car after all these years and no-one in the Mopar hobby has snatched it up for their collection yet?

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In the past on here,it was discussed by some at length about a car's documentation not being worth as much as the actual car itself.
I think this would be one good example of the documentation being first,to determine the value of this car,if it even existed at all.

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Came across this report to shed some light on this issue:

1970 DAYTONA -- FACT OR FRAUD??

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You can even donate to "hemibill"'s cause! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

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Gotta love the history on this one. Now you know the whole story.

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Here's another 70 superbird........
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/The-Super...1QQcmdZViewItem

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Here's the real deal. Maybe! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-HEMI...1QQcmdZViewItem

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Here's the real deal. Maybe! http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-HEMI...1QQcmdZViewItem

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Gee, this answer to a bidder's question doesn't sound like a scam in progress does it now https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif:

"I have received over 800 email with this basic request. I can not possibly answer them all so will try to address the main points here. The VIN number will only be available to the high bidder after the auction closes. There is simply too much auto and internet fraud to post it here. The car does have a broadcast sheet and all parts including the nose cone. All of the numbers match, the engine and transmission were properly preserved, it was never hit/damaged, there is no rust. I will not email digital images for the same fraud reasons but winning bidder will be able to examine the vehicle prior to any monetary exchange."

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That convert is very cool...

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Is the purple car they refer to in that "Fact or Fraud" article the same one posted as being for sale at the beginning of this thread? I didn't see anyhting in the article where they believed the purple one wasn't legit, only the red car that the author had purchased... Did i miss that part somewhere, or is the actual magazine article more complete than what is posted ont he internet? Very interesting reading for sure.

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Going from memory here, the one in the article is a red car that was owned by a gentleman in CA.

There also was a green one from a factory photo that no one knows anything about. Someone in New England created a replica of it, which can be seen here.

I don't think the purple car was subject to anything in the article, but using deductive reasoning . . .

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The purple one is the one referred to in the article.

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The purple one is the one referred to in the article.

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Where does it say the purple one was a fake? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif Maybe Mopar freaks speak in code or something, but I can't find any reference or implication that the purple one wasn't real from reading the article...

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Hi, Steve, to be honest, I did not check the link when I posted that, but I checked the link now and it is the same thing that was in MCG. It's about the red car. You'll see there's numerous references to red, not to mention the FE5 designation in the build sheet.

Despite the article not mentioning the purple car, it's not a real Daytona.

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Their were no 1970 Dodge Daytonas built. This theory is supported by the fact that no Chrysler records or documentation supports any being built. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Hi, Steve, to be honest, I did not check the link when I posted that, but I checked the link now and it is the same thing that was in MCG. It's about the red car. You'll see there's numerous references to red, not to mention the FE5 designation in the build sheet.

Despite the article not mentioning the purple car, it's not a real Daytona.

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If you pick up the current issue of Mopar Collectors Guide they have an article on a clone car purposely built to replicate one of the "mystery photos" found at Chrysler in the early 70's. They also mention how the above-noted purple car has been proven a fake and was modified with Daytona parts at a dealership close to where it was originally delivered in 1970.

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I see we're talking about two different articles. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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That convert is very cool...

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Ya i thought that convert was cool too, be a neat cruise car, get lots of looks with that one, but of course you have to put up with the coneheads with the "this is'nt real" comments.