COPO clone for sale
 

I know how most of you guys feel about clones but, you musty admit, this car is awesome!!! I'm no expert but this thing is done right.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Cama...1QQcmdZViewItem

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looks and sounds like a true COPO and is bidding like its a real car just my .02 cents

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The car is OK for a clone. Don't take this wrong but who in their right mind makes a statement such as "The only difference on this Berger COPO replica and a real Berger COPO is the price." Are you for real? People making statements such as that are a disgrace to the muscle car history.

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That car is being sold by the same gentleman who bought my buddy's 1966 Corvette. You can even see it in the background of some pictures! Frank has many stand up cars, as he is a stand up guy! He would never try to pass it off as something that it wasn't!

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The car is OK for a clone. Don't take this wrong but who in their right mind makes a statement such as "The only difference on this Berger COPO replica and a real Berger COPO is the price." Are you for real? People making statements such as that are a disgrace to the muscle car history.

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Wow thats right on the border line. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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Car is WAY better than OK. Disgrace to the hobby - get real. Car is what it is, right there in front of you. No disrespect, but your post was a cheap shot indeed.

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i saw this car at maplegrove its unbelievable ,met the owner
frank very nice guy and knows his stuff ,only buys the best https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

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As long as the owner fully discloses the fact that a car is a clone/recreation/tribute car, then I have no problem with it whatsoever, especially when it's done as well as this one seems to be. This would be a fun car to own and DRIVE THE P_SS out of. The only drawback would be all the nit-pickers constantly reminding you at every opportunity that your car is a clone. But then I'd get in, crank it up, and light-up those Coker Goodyears through first, second, into third, turn around, come back, and say, "Yeah, it's a clone, but it's one f___ing FUN clone."

Whew--got a little wound-up there. S'cuse me. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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Beautiful car. My question is why pass it off as a Berger COPO? No 15x7 rally wheels, no hockey stick stripe, can't tell if there's a 140 speedo, but with only one known exception, all Berger cars were ordered as 9561/9737 cars.
The fact that he put the X11 trim on an X44 car isn't relevant, since it's a clone.
IMO, if I were going to run the P@#$ out of a car, I don't think I'd buy a $100k clone. It is what it is, a very cool clone that someone spent too much on restoring. Hope he gets his investment back

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Well, I agree with you ZL1#17. Why does the seller choose to call it a 'Berger' COPO. Is it a double COPO clone? Was a 'by Berger' tag installed on the tail panel? Why didn't he put a BE rear if it's such a perfect clone?
Maybe I should go out and buy all the '68 Novas I can find and clone them into 'Gibb' COPO Novas? Respect for Fred & Helen over the desire for mo money comes to mind.
This years Super Chevy Atlanta was typical of this trend. Previous years included real COPO's, Motion & Gibb Novas. Super Chevy has basically ignored these but instead has choosen to glorify fake ZL-1's, COPO's & L-89's by giving them 'Gold Class' distinction. This year had about 8 fakes, which were beautifully restored, but owners of the real Supercars have apparently now chosen to ignore Super Chevy as there wasn't one real Supercar in attendance.
Sorry for venting but this site's mantra is about historical information & preservation of 'real' cars and not clones. Tagging a clone with the names 'Berger','Dana','Motion',Gibb or 'Yenko' just seems to make it worse IMO

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i saw this car at maplegrove its unbelievable ,met the owner
frank very nice guy and knows his stuff ,only buys the best https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif

[/ QUOTE ]Then why did he not start with a Real COPO and do it up to the extent he has done to this car? It appears to be an awesome restoration of a First Generation Camaro I will give him that. It also is a nice representation of a COPO Clone. I hope he breaks the Bank on Resale.

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I wouldn't consider any COPO clone a true clone if it didn't have an original BE rear. That's a huge part of the COPO package so if you're truly building a clone, do it right! Same with the Yenko clones. I would like to see a correct 427, BE rear, sway bar and all the other necessary COPO pieces. A big block with a 12 bolt rear does not make a car a clone in my view.

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I wouldn't consider any COPO clone a true clone if it didn't have an original BE rear. That's a huge part of the COPO package so if you're truly building a clone, do it right! Same with the Yenko clones. I would like to see a correct 427, BE rear, sway bar and all the other necessary COPO pieces. A big block with a 12 bolt rear does not make a car a clone in my view.

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Sure, Then there would be b*tching that the cloners are using up all the correct pieces for people restoring real cars...Why do you need a true BE rear in a clone car? If a guy is building a clone and wants to spend the cake for a real BE out of a COPO, fine, I'm cool with that... but heck, half the REAL cars don't have "true" BE rears in them, as I've personally seen more than one obvious re-stamp. The car is nice, its done very well, and way better than most clones, heck, lets face it, its done way better than alot of real cars... give some credit where credit is due. If you don't like clones, thats fine, but saying its not a "good" clone because it doesnt have a correctly dated BE rear is a little rediculous IMO. What IS a "True Clone" anyhow? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

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Sorry that's your view Joe, but for me a clone or recreation should be as accurate as possible and the BE rear is a huge part of the COPO package. I would also like to see a correct dated LT1 engine in a Yenko Deuce clone. Otherwise the clone car isn't a true tribute to what it's trying to clone. I know a lot of people with real cars would hate to see some real parts used in a clone but the parts are available to anyone who wants to buy them. Like I said, that's my view of what a true clone or recreation is. If I was going to spend $50-100K on a clone it better have all those correct components.

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It will never matter what part you put into a clone, BE-Rear, GM NOS part, Repro. part, because the car will always be a replica, imitation look-alike clone. I have nothing against clones, or using whatever car part your heart desires. I do have a problem with people who think clones are in the same class as a real cars and think the only difference is the price. I also believe that people who pass a clone off as real car should be in jail with other counterfeiters. Clones in my opinion will always be in a class by themselves. My question to all of the people who disagree with me is, why are you spending so much money to recreate the real thing? Correct me if I'm wrong but after finding all the right dated parts, restoration costs, you will have spent more on that clone then what a real car would cost. (and, I did not say a restored one).

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Do you find everyone that disagrees with your opinion a disgrace to the muscle car hobby?

SS

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Personally I am not a big fan of clones. But with the market the way it is with the real documented cars bringing big $$$$ I can understand why some people who are getting into the hobby or just want the look of say a COPO car can save big money, and that's why cloning is so popular. Look at the Shelby Cobra it has to be the most cloned car of all time. I for one don't like the replicas but I can appreciate the workmanship a person puts into them. First and foremost the guy selling calls it a clone and is not trying to misrepresent the car. All the complaining about correct components I for one am glad clones are missing some of the components so that we can tell immediately if some unscrupulous person magically finds paperwork and passes it off as real in the future.

Just my $.02 https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif

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I wouldn't walk across the street to pi$$ on a Super Chevy event they could care less about REAL cars!!!! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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They are all REAL cars. We all just have different likes.

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Thank you Charlie, I stand corrected, I should not have used the word "REAL CAR". From now on I will use the word "Original Car". or "Authentic Car".

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As someone with a degree in English, let's play "Antics with Semantics".
A "Clone" by definition is an exact duplicate of the original. (See: 427/435 Corvette).
A "tribute" or "recreation" is a representation of the original, with different levels of concern for details put in or left out. (See: 1969 Z/28).
Both examples exist in greater numbers than GM manufactured, but some fakes are easy to detect, ie "tributes" or "recreations", as opposed to "clones". https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif
The disclosure, or lack there of, is the real difference.
Let the buyer beware. (See: "Barett Jackson").
I hope this helps dispell any misunderstandings. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif
Andy

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Andy that was very good I like that! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif My thoughts are build what you want,buy what you can afford to buy.Just be honest and all will work out fine!You will never be able to satisfy everyone.Enjoy life while you can and have as much fun as you can while enjoying life.

Bobby Dodson https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/flag.gif