Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

If you "but it now" you get a Camaro, too!

Motion Corvette

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

Tons of car pics on the auction, but no pics of the documentation paperwork https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

Did this car get repainted again? Looks green in the Magazine article.

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

How do magazines do that ? It's LeMans

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

I thought it was Fathom?

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

In the article it says Fathom Blue,which is Code EE.
This car is slated to be here next week at the Mecum/Rockford auction.
http://www.mecumauction.com/auctions...D=SC0505-25042

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

Rob asked me about this car, so here are my thoughts:

If I were looking at it, I'd be asking the guy why it has 69 and up doors on it.

The 68 had the grab handle like the the ones on the car, but the were only grab handles, the door locks were buttons that were pressed to unlatch the doors.....

very noticable difference

http://68intel.vettepics.com/cgi-bin/i/hel-v-sida.jpg


And as far as I know the tilt-tele wheel was for 69 and up as well....they only offered tele in '68 and there was no ignition swith in that column, it should be on the dash if this car is a '68.

other things I noticed:

The blank retangular area on the console above the 'nitrous' button should house the fiber optics center.

http://www.corvettetraderonline.com/...ale/l0027.html

this pic shows where the key should be, and the fiber optics.


Joel may have verified the vin and some of mods, but it would appear to me that this car has some 'splaining to do.

Here it is for sale at Mecum

http://www.mecumauction.com/auctions...D=SC0505-25042

But it did sell at BJ

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/aucti....asp?id=181291

for $102,000 oh, and they answer the question about the doors

Believed to be only documented Roadster by Joel Rosen. Documentation included letter from Joel Rosen, and tank sticker. New base coat, clear coat paint, tires, complete brake rebuild, suspension rebuild, upgraded with an L-88 rebuilt, new Hooker supercomp headers, and sidepipes. Rims and gas cap polished. Engine was purchased from Yenko Chevrolet, NOH. Engine also was rebuilt early on by the late D.A. Santucci, of Drag Racing fame, and his name is stamped on block pad. Has a M-21 4-speed transmission. Also has auxilary hard top painted to match, and White Ragtop. Doors and interior apppear to be from a 1969 Corvette, but were not changed during restoration. They may have been part of the conversion, therefore were not changed. Runs hard!! Motion items include: fender flares, gas cap, steering wheel, rims, fender gills, Motion emblems, valve covers, air cleaner, etc. Soon to be featured in numerous national magazines. "TITLE IN TRANSIT"

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

[ QUOTE ]
I thought it was Fathom?

[/ QUOTE ] https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

oops...thats what I meant..I saw the car...well mostly HEARD it !! Sounds awful healthy.

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

With the late door mirrors I think those would have to be 76 to 79 doors. Motion used a Ford Torino sport mirror on all the Phase III cars.

I sure do like that color of Blue.

Pantera

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

-------68 back-up lights are also gone.
-------Look closely at the mirrors, Pantera, as they dont appear to be the later Corvette mirrors either. There is a crease in the middle of them. They sort of look a bit like 1970 442 mirrors...........Bill S

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

Consider that the gold GT went for $225 at BJ and it's documented and fully restored and he wants $250!!! it seems a little much. When he first put this car up for sale months ago he wanted $175. I wonder if it has changed hands or is still owned by the same guy.

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

Good point, Canuckle...according to the auction, this car had an "October 2004 appraised value $250,000", yet was a no sale at $175k several months ago, and it didn't reach the $100k mark at BJ-Palm Beach in April, and now it carries a $250k buy it now? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

Oh, and it needs more stickers...

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

must be one very nice Camaro thats attached to the sale, to bring the price up 150K

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

Gee I think if the Gold vette had gone across the block a little earlier in the evening, it just might have brought at least a full 1/3 to double more than it did. After the 3 million dollar Olds sold everything seemed to stall or was overlooked by the bidders. I know that there were two or three bidders that were at dinner and missed getting to bid on the Gold Motion car. One was a famous wrestler from Okla.

This blue car is one nice looking piece. What few parts it has on it, that are not what some of us may think it should have, don't really hurt the value that much. Joels cars are all different from each other. That was the main selling point for his cars. You could get it your way. The main selling point of this car, is that he (Joel) had something to do with it. Only time will tell if someone will reconize any of these cars from way back when, or we come across old pic from the past to help document these cars, where we can acutally see what they looked like back then.

As for this '68, I think someone will wind up owning it soon. That is a rare piece of history and one fine looking one at that. If I had the money it would be parked in my garage right now. But then I was always a sucker for a blue vette. The white stripe just makes it that much better. IMHO.

What it sells for is just a matter of who and how bad they want to own it. The Camaro that goes with it sure looks good to me. I am sure they are open to a good offer. Dave Belk was the owner and I think he sold it so each person that now owns it will try to make a buck off it, if they can. That is the american way. More power to them if they do. Personally, I can't wait till they reach a Million dollars each. He.. He... He....

Pantera

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

Pantera,
I would think serious buyers for that gold 'vette would have known when it was going across the block, can't imagine they would be off eatin dinner and snoozed away their chance.

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

[ QUOTE ]
Personally, I can't wait till they reach a Million dollars each. He.. He... He....

Pantera

[/ QUOTE ]

Then will you adopt me and put me in your will? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

What year was this car converted by Motion?

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

I kinda like it in that dark green too (yes i know that it just looks green)

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

There was not a official set time for any car. The estimated time for the Motion was later than estimated. Two of the ones that missed it were very close to being there on time. But when you hear the gavel bang down it is too late.

I felt the car was RUSHED through with little fanfair by unknowledgeable auctioneers that had little or no interest in seeing it bring top dollar. Wham bang and it was off the floor and out the door. It will sure make me think twice about using their service if I ever auction one of mine off.

I don't know how to describe it but the entire bidding floor all got up and left it seemed after the Olds went through. None of the cars after it brought top dollar. Odd I just don't know how to describe it.

Pantera https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

The owner of the motion now sent an email offer to me of 150,000 no camaro. It has a Yenko engine in the car and also a letter from Joel Rosen. In a past post you all talked about some guy named Richard at Barrett bidding on the the gold motion that was me I stopped at 210,000 I like that car much better and Pantera I will take one of yours anyday thanks for all the info with George in Az.

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

There were pics of this car somewhere before it got painted Fathom I thought...

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

TCM classics in Mountain Home Arkansas had this car for sale last fall for $175,000. In my opinion he trusted Barrett Jackson to get this amount in a no reserve auction and they failed miserably. It is my understanding the car brought $95,000 at the Palm Beach Auction in April,I am not sure if the current owner is who purchased the car at such a bargain.

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

I too got the impression the motion at barrett was rushed.
It seemed like bidding was still going strong when the hammer came down https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

[ QUOTE ]
There was not a official set time for any car. The estimated time for the Motion was later than estimated. Two of the ones that missed it were very close to being there on time. But when you hear the gavel bang down it is too late.

I felt the car was RUSHED through with little fanfair by unknowledgeable auctioneers that had little or no interest in seeing it bring top dollar. Wham bang and it was off the floor and out the door. It will sure make me think twice about using their service if I ever auction one of mine off.

I don't know how to describe it but the entire bidding floor all got up and left it seemed after the Olds went through. None of the cars after it brought top dollar. Odd I just don't know how to describe it.

Pantera https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Larry...you described it perfectly...We and a few other Y-Net members there noticed that they didn't give a crap about that car. while I was out front taking the pictures of the car as it was going into the ramp area...one of the announcers was trying to figure out what he was going to say about the car...and none of it was correct.

It was rushed across the platform and misrepresented by the Barrett Jackson annoucing crew...but I guess that's the price that you pay and the chance that you take...when you deal with them. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/hmmm.gif

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

I've seen them do that with several cars...next thing you know its driving off the stage !! There is no comparing the Gold car and the 68 car though...

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

My understanding is this is not a Baldwin invoiced car but rather Motion modified. I think the money would be good at 175K. Is there documentation regardig the paint scheme?

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

Hello, I am the current owner of the 1968 Motion Corvette and yes, I was the winning bidder at the Barrett-Jackson auction in W. Palm Bch. The bid was 95,000 plus 8% auction fee, 102,600 total. I was also in Scottsdale in January and was unsuccessful in my bids on the gold '69 GT. I was guessing that car would have brought $250,000 or better. My bid was in at $110,000 when the bidding stalled, I thought it might be my lucky day but a few new bidders jumped in - so much for that. Regarding the color question, the car has been Fathom Blue since restoration. The most recent article in Corvette Enthusiast chose to make the car appear green, they are a sister publication to Musclecar Enthusiast, Musclecar published a similar story using photos from the same shoot - I guess they wanted a different look???. CONCERNING DOCUMENTATION and the lack of photos of stated documentation on my ebay auction. I would think members of this sight would especially appreciate and understand photos of documentation being withheld from an ebay auction. Think about it, if someone was out to forge a car, having easy access to such items would be ideal! Several years ago I listed my 1971 Baldwin/Motion Camaro on ebay, I refrained from displaying the documentation on that car as well. That Camaro was featured in a MuscleCar Review story titled "The Beast From Back East" (red/white stripe car). This car was formerly from the John Scanelli Collection of Norfolk, VA. and also used by Ertl for a 1/18th scale diecast model. By the way, if the current owner of this car is a member I'd love to talk to him. Back to the 'Vette - I will have this Corvette at the Mecum Auction this Saturday May 28th to be auctioned @ 11:00 a.m. - FAIR WARNING, YOU ALL KNOW WHAT I'VE GOT IN IT - I PLAN TO SELL! I DO NOT COLLECT - CAN'T AFFORD TOO!

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

I bought the Red '71 BM Camaro from Koolcars several years back after an ebay deadbeat bidder didn't follow through. It was a very smooth transactions with no problems. The car was nice and accurately described and Koolcars was very professional and easy to deal with. Later, I needed to sell the car to pay for a '69 BM Camaro. I wish I still had the '71 as it was a great car. I sold the '71 to a collector in Maryland who sold it a few years later to a guy in Idaho. That's the last I heard about the car.

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

Welcome koolcars
I should be attending Mecum this weekend,and look forward to seeing this incredible Corvette and possibly meeting you as well.

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

So, do we know when it was converted, what dealer it was from, etc... I see the point of not posting the Rosen letter, but with Motion cars, that's the only proof!

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

[ QUOTE ]
Welcome koolcars
I should be attending Mecum this weekend,and look forward to seeing this incredible Corvette and possibly meeting you as well.

[/ QUOTE ]


Hey Rick...Now it's your turn to take the pictures! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

[ QUOTE ]
There is no comparing the Gold car and the 68 car though...

[/ QUOTE ]


Once again, I should have bid on the 69 PhaseIII GT Vette. DAMN! Well at least I got to sit in it for a while. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif
Ok guys, no jokes about the brown interior now.....https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...r1/BMVette.jpg

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

I am glad to see that I am not alone when it comes to not posting the documation for one of these cars. I have shown many on here my documents for my '70 in person but will never post them online.

I appreciate others that will do the same thing. This blue car is a Motion modified car and not a Baldwin Chev sold but that still makes it a desirable car. Let's face it! There are not very many documented Motion cars Baldwin or or otherwise.

Reguardless of the new car heritage of these cars. If Joel had anything to do with them then they will have to gain in value in the coming years due to the rairity of them. You seldom see them offered for sale. I only wish that there was more info on the cars that Joel build. (Hint Joel? Hint Hint) https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

I can say that having been in the Used cars/bodyshop business, back not too long after Joel was going strong. It can be a overwhelming undertaking. Just answering the phone all day and talking to customers leaves you worn out. I am sure that Joel has to rely mostly on his work orders and invoices to document these cars from back then. I can tell you that when you reach 60 it sometimes gets hard to remember just what you did and when. I can't imagine how he can do it as he had to have two or three times the employes and volume of business that I did. I can see why he charges for his service to document these cars.

I know a lot of people hope that they have found one of his cars and he has to fend off a lot of people still today. They are just wanting to cash in on what he did back then. I only hope that more of his old conversions surface as there has to be a lot of them that he did back then. I have pic of three '68 vettes from a magazine article and yet none of them are known to exist today. (perhaps one is in Kevins collecton)

So I want to wish you good luck with the sale of this Blue car https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif and if I should win the lottery I will be calling you myself. Welcome to the forum and don't be a stranger. I don't know how you could stand to turn loose of one of these cars. I guess I am just selfish myself.


Pantera

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

Pantera
Very well said.
Jamie

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

I'm sure he has his hands full with people trying anything they can to put that name on a car in an effort to bring in some quick cash.

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

So how did the car do at the auction?

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

I talked to a couple of guys who took cars up. They thought 123,000. Can't verify that, but they had no reason to make it up. One took a 69 camaro Yenko clone. It brought 39k. Seems like a lot for stripes, and a 454 truck motor. They were pretty happy.

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

Thanks Mayor.

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

[ QUOTE ]
I talked to a couple of guys who took cars up. They thought 123,000. Can't verify that, but they had no reason to make it up. One took a 69 camaro Yenko clone. It brought 39k. Seems like a lot for stripes, and a 454 truck motor. They were pretty happy.

[/ QUOTE ]
Prices are getting a little confusing...Get a nice clean 69 X-44 base camaro for less than 25 grand, put in a new ZL-1 motor for 17,000 and you can get over a 100,000 grand...Those Yenko Clones are getting up there also...

Re: Motion Converted Vette/Ebay
 

I can't believe the price any clone is getting. Look at the hemi convert cudas getting $200k !!. pick up a convert for $50k, slip in a 25k hemi, do some resto work and boom make $100k.