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I love to look at all of the rare, and very expensive, cars on this site but don't expect that I'll ever be able to own one so I am asking everyone's opinion of what they feel is going to be a future collector car? Please don't say the 2002 Berger Camaro or ZLI since they are already out of most people's reach; I'm talking cars like the Buick GN or the 1995 Mustang Cobra R. Hell even some of the late '70's Trans Ams. Can we start a list of what we feel will be a future collectable?

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'97 Camaro with LT4 / 6-speed and 30th anniversary appearance package (white / orange stripes)(100 Camaro LT-4's built).
Make mine a coupe (no T-tops) with houndstooth seats! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

1988 IROC 1LE (first year of this road-race option, only four made)

1999 Z/28 1LE (last year of 1LE option, who can resist 1LE combined with LS1? 74 made)

1990-95 ZR1 Corvette (6939 made)

2006 Z06 Corvette

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-Sam

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Heres the cars I think that are going to go higher in price as they get older.

77-81 TA's
83-88 Monte Carlo SS
82-87 Buick GN,T-type and GNX.The GNX is already getting very high.
Mid to late 80's Olds 442 and Hurst
Late 80's Pontiac 2+2 cars
86-92 Pontiac TA's and GTA's
86-92 Camaro Z-28 and Iroz Z

These cars were considered to be the Muscle Cars for there era and there going up in price.

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I'll go with the 94-6 Impala SS.
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I agree with all the above mentions, but I think it will take awhile before they actually start increasing in value compared to what they originally sold for... I think the 82 Indy Pace Car Z28s and all early 3rd Gen Z's will have a collector following in years to come, and with less and less cars on the roads these days, its already a rare site to see a true unmolested original. While these cars didn't have a ton of HP, they were a big hit when new, and looked cool. The Irocs are another likely choice, especially rare ones like 1LE's B4C's, and 5.7 TPI versions. Year One is already selling repro parts for these cars, but I think its still gonna be a few more years before they really start being bought and "restored". I remember back in the mid 80's, 69 camaros were already considered "classics", and at that time they were only about 15 years old... an 89 or 90 car is 15 years old right now, but not considered "classic" in the way late 60s cars were considered in the mid 80s. This is probably due to the fact that cars in the 80s were produced for many years with minor changes, and up until recently, many were still on the roads...Another thing that has kept 80s cars from reaching "classic" status is that modern cars are actually quicker and better built than these cars were... this was not the case back in the 80s when everyone was starting to restore 60s cars. While I don't think these cars are going to skyrocket in value overnight, i think the potential is there to buy a late 70s or 80s car now and have a "future classic". The key is to look for cars that are low milage, original paint, and unmolested... these will always be the cars that have the most value, and will be the first ones to start pulling in decent money... but that's a no-brainer. I'll just be happy when my 97 SS starts being worth a little more each year I keep it instead of a little less... Unfortunately, i think I have a bit of a wait....Til then, it's still a blast to drive and enjoy...a little!
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Man I love that SS, especially the fact that it's a hardtop and not equipped with the T-tops.

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If you trust NADA for older cars then the 1993 Camaro z28 IPC already has a high retail value listing for 2k above original sticker of 22K.

With only a little over 600 made (with only 500 T-tops) everything about the car was special.

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This is going to go over like a fart in church but here it goes. Until recently I couldn't stand rice burners. That stupid loud pipe and the bling bling tail lights sitting on top of 94inch wheels that keep turning when the car is stopped...blah. However, as much as I still hate them I have found respect for the kids who build them. Think about it. These young people are doing the same thing we did at their age. We took the family cruiser, jacked it up, fattened the tires, flipped the air cleaner, and put little mufflers on it. All the time guys in their 40's shook their heads at us. I guess this is my roundabout way of saying that the collectable car market of the future may not lie in Camaros etc. It may just be in a 6 cylinder Honda or a Supra with some unique trim package. I can't stand the thought of it either guys but it just may be the truth. Marc

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Already a "collectable" but I see alot of continued upward potential for clean original 70 Z's. Have been casually looking for over a year and they're like needles in a haystack if you ask me.....at least those that haven't been altered in some way or another. I consider them still in the affordable range for the time being.

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AAR,

I have to agree. The Honda VTEC is the small block chevy of this period in time. This is a fact- Of the cars that I drive, my modified Honda gets the most attention when out on the street, and reminds me of the stir that my 69 Camaro Pace car caused 15 years ago.

Guess I own the best of the past and the present.

Phil https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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1999 Z/28 1LE (last year of 1LE option, who can resist 1LE combined with LS1? 74 made)


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Check this out. Scroll down to the last car.

http://www.mtnhmweb.com/trmclassiccars.asp

This used to belong to a friend of mine and me. Kind of a cool story. I actually found this car on my dealerships used car lot! My general manager was bitching up a storm at the used car manager and said "Why the hell did you buy a Z28 with no power windows or locks from the auction!" Like a dog my ears perked up and I said huh? A Z with no power windows and locks? Imediately I thought 1LE. I ran down the stairs and was repeating over and over it can't be, it can't be. When I swung the door open and looked at the parts identification label in the door my heart stopped. I went back in the store and said "Hey Eric don't worry about it....I will buy it." He just looked at me blankly and shrugged his shoulders. I bought it with my friend Bill and put it up for sale. The car sat for sale for ever and finally Chris from TRM bought it and it has just been sitting since...I am shocked. When I advertised it I even said it was the COPO of the future and would be worth big bucks someday. No bites. I have to say that car is fast and cool as hell! A true bare fisted street warrior! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif

Attached is a pic of it when I was in on it.

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Here is a pic of the parts label when we had it. If I could have I would have kept it! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/cool.gif

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Frank, it's a small world. I had noticed the car on TRM's site and was wondering why it wasn't selling. The interest in the later 1LE hasn't come to a full boil yet, I guess.

Morris

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'96-'97 Viper GTS (Blue/wht.). A Hennessey car being a poss. Yenko (er, Mr. Norms) equivalent?

Agree w/the Supra take, too. Fast and Furious stuff'll likely be big down the road.

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Hmmm,anybody think the GMC Syclones and Typhoons will be collectable? The bone stock low mileage ones are few and far between.
I inspected a local 4k mile 93 Ty that sold for 28k https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/ooo.gif

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I think just about everything will have SOME sort of collectibility to someone... while certain cars undoubtedly have more of a following than others, it seems regardless of what make, model, etc. something is, there is a die-hard following out there that will be interested in pristine examples, as examplified by the 28k Typhoon you mentioned. Those were quick little trucks, and most of them have long since been wrecked, cut up, or rotted away... so yeah, I can see where an unmolested low-milage original would be worth alot to someone interested in them. Those were only made for a couple years, and there aren't that many left. Ever notice how whenever GM gets something "right" they stop producing it a year or 2 later? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/rolleyes.gif

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Hey Joe, where does the Aztek fit in there? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Hey Joe, where does the Aztek fit in there? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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As sad as it may be... in 20 years there will probably be an Official Pontiac Aztek Club, and people scouring the globe for NOS gray body cladding... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/tongue.gif

*edit.... it already exists! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif
Aztek Fan Club Website

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Too funny. Let's start hording parts. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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The Volkwagen Thing and the Aztec people can have a joint club and argue about which one is more attractive https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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Hands down the "Thing" is cooler https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/scholar.gif

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"Thank you...Thing"..... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif


Steve

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I think just about everything will have SOME sort of collectibility to someone... while certain cars undoubtedly have more of a following than others, it seems regardless of what make, model, etc. something is, there is a die-hard following out there that will be interested in pristine examples

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"Ricers" may be ridiculous to many here, but stock, well cared for '90s Honda Accords and Civics might just be valuable in twenty years. Just as '60s Chevelles and Camaros, Mustangs, Chargers, etc., were the cars to have among the high school set 20-30 years ago, "ricers" are the current cars to have in this demographic. Today's 17 year old Honda tinkerer will someday be in his forties, have some play cash to spend, and he'll go looking for the car of his youth: a '95 Honda Accord. No, it won't be the same as Yenko money is today, but few guys even knew about Yenko cars in the '70s. Most of us drove run-of-the-mill modified Camaros and Mustangs and Mopars, many of which weren't SS or GT or R/T versions. There will be a market for nice '90s Hondas and Mitsubishis, etc., in twenty years, just as there is a market for nice '60s musclecars today. No, you won't get rich stashing a Honda away as you would if you'd been smart enough to stash away an unmolested Yenko Camaro 25 years ago, but nice "ricers" will probably be desireable someday.

Remember that in the '60s when the factory musclecar really came onto the scene, many of the older roadster and dry lakes hot rod types scoffed at the new Detroit high-performance cars. They scorned the new Detroit offerings just as many of us scorn Japanese cars today. History repeats itself.
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I don't care for rice burners but you have a very good point.

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My wife's 1990 Accord was a pretty darn nice car for the 190,000 plus miles we owned it. Extremely reliable, economical, and the styling wasn't bad either.

http://auto.consumerguide.com/images...1990211LRG.jpg

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Sam,

Here is the car that I currently have. Modifications include a Jackson Racing Supercharger. This Little 4 banger will readily pull to 7500 RPM (Fuel Shut off limited)
and gets the attention today. Fun to drive 37 MPG, and top is a take off for instant targa.

Mine is a mid 14 second car. 12 second Honda who posts here builds hair raising turbos for these cars- and 12 second says it all. (Hassett's kid) https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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A couple of friends have these little del sol honda's, they're neat little cars and are apparently hard to find and are still quite pricey. Another friend had one of those Buick Reatta's and she bought it for $10k drove it for about 6 years and sold it for $12k, and the guy was happy to pay that, apparently this is another rare find thats holding it's value. Another one that stays up there in price is the pontiac Fiero's. Maybe it has something to do with it's versatilitie in the specialty market becouse they we'rnt a very good car when it was new.

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you might look at these....2005 subaru WRX....
http://www.rsportscars.com/eng/cars/impreza_wrx_sti.asp
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here's a photo...
http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/06/i...xsti03_800.jpg
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you might look at these....2005 subaru WRX....


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Yep, got one, love it (see pic). Scary-fast and over 20 mpg. Great in the rain and even in snow. The best part is laying waste to all the high school kids with fart-canned Civics. I should paint WWII "kill" markings on the fender. Chased down four sportbikers on the interstate a few months ago. They were doing about 100 and I came up on them at 135. I could see their heads pop up and turn around to see me coming. They waved (probably in relief)when they realized I was just playing with them. Yep, I'll bet some guy will chase me down someday and demand that I sell him my STi. Probably some guy in his 40s with play money to spend on the car he never had as a kid.

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Well, I think 70 COPO hit the nail on the head saying that the Honda B-series is today’s small block Chevy. The number of aluminum winged fart can sporting "ricers" on the streets is pretty disgusting... mostly driven by clueless 16 year-olds. On the other hand some really do run - and it’s not that expensive to do if you know what you are doing. I am sure that 35 years ago you had your share of "ricers" - teens who got stuck with 6-cyl Camaro's and tried to "fix them up" to join the crowd. But to get back on topic - I think that regardless of what we drive, we do this for the same reasons you guys did years ago. And I think that 20-30 years down the road people my age will be looking for cars that bring back the past. Like it or not - this import thing really is huge - And I think demand may be high in 20-30 years for some of these cars. Here, check out this video - ignore that the cars are Hondas, and tell me this does not bring back memories for you guys... Garage footage https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Trying to fit in with the Honda...
http://www.hassettroofing.com/markjr...ue_Car/Fam.jpg

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Owned a syclone truck a few years ago was a fast truck. How about the 1990-1993 454 SS trucks. IMO

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Ron
1978 Bill Mitchell Turbo Camaro
1969 Chevelle SS 396
1970 Chevelle SS 454 LS-5
1970 Chevelle Conv.
1990 454 SS Truck
1996 Impala SS
2000 Corvette Conv.
1994 Corvette Conv.
1995 Camaro Z28 just bought

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Regarding the photo, the '68 BB Camaro* would cost at least 20 grand to duplicate. That late-model SS Chevy truck is 40 grand new, minimum. The "ricer" in the middle is about 10-15 grand. You do the math.

(*I recognize this car as Mr. Hassett's B-M car, worth what, a quarter million? Building a strong BB Camaro is in the 20K range, probably more.)

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The number of aluminum winged fart can sporting "ricers" on the streets is pretty disgusting... mostly driven by clueless 16 year-olds.

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I must respectfully disagree with the word "disgusting." "Clueless" is probably appropriate in many cases. Car-nut kids are doing what they've always done, and that's trying to go fast, make noise, and have fun with their cars. How many of us used to laugh at the kid with a six-cylinder Nova with mags and a glasspack blatting away? How about '60s Impalas with dual Cherry Bombs rapping and popping and scaring little children? Fart-canned Hondas serve the very same need: go fast (well, fast-ish), make noise, have fun. "Ricers" are the most affordable way to do that today. Five grand for a decent Honda, fifty bucks for a fart-can muffler, and have a buddy lower it. Maybe score a used wing to bolt on the trunk and it's boy-racer all over again. "SSDD"--Same Stuff, Different Day. If a kid today could score a nice '67 327 Camaro with a 4-speed and Posi for five grand (I said a NICE one, not a roach) I'll bet he'd choose the Camaro over the Honda. Again, it's the math.

Another thing to consider with "ricers" is that you rarely need to open the hood. Cars have gotten so reliable (and hard to work on) that the hood can stay closed between oil changes. They also scoot around town just as quickly as any Camaro or Mustang yet the "ricers" use a lot less gas.

All the old guys brag about spending fifty cents on a gallon gas for their '55 Chevy and they could cruise all night. Well today, that same ratio of expenditure exists for Hondas that get 35 MPG. Math, math, math. Why "ricers?" Simple economics.

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This is interesting...
KBB 94 Z28 and 94 Civic my parents bought a 94 Z, think the sticker was around 22,000. The Civic should have been ~12,000... and today its only worth 500 less than the Camaro. Actually, in a few more years and I would like to buy back my 96 Z (first car) I should be able to... for cheap.

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It's refreshing to hear an honest opintion - not some biased crap. Much respect 427TJ https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif
Also I looked this summer, I WANTED to buy a 68 or 69 Camaro if I could have found decent bodied one for around 10-15,000. Unfortunatly though, not too many people my age see things that way anymore.

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Speaking of 97 SS LT4 cars...
97 SS LT4 on Ebay

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1979 hurst olds are still under priced will be worth a nice amount of $$$ someday

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I agree with you young Mr. Hassett. I have 4 boys ranging from 18 to 27. They all like my 69 Z/28 but would never really want to buy one. My one son is in the auto parts business and he tells me he will beat me all day with a rice burner. When my kids look back on their youth it won't be the cars there fathers drove. It will be rice, Cavaliers and Neons. That is the way it is. I also predict that you will be able to buy these very expensive muscle cars we have today a lot more reasonable 25 years from now. I may be wrong, but I don't think any of my guys or their friends will spend 500,000 for a hemi cuda or 300,000 for a ZL1. I don't think the Japnese cars have much collectability but I don't think my kids generation much cares about that. They just want to go fast! Sam

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I would like to stash an '87 Buick GNX, and an '89 TTA - both would be nice, but either will do. There is a GNX in this months Hemmings with 500 miles on it for $42k, TTA's can be had for less than half that and will beat the GNX 1-2 out of 3.