KPH speedo's
 

Had a short discussion over the weekend with some friends. I am aware of the "KPH" speedo's existing for 1969 Camaro's. Was there ever a real application for these speedo's in Canadian Vehicles, COPO Camaro's, Camaro's, and possibly other and or all other Chevrolet vehicles and if so, what was the year this began? Thanx! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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If you look at the face of a speedo out of the dash you will find part the # for MPH and KPH stamped near the edge of the face. Quite a few kilo speedo's used to turn up at the Detroit area swap meets. There were always 200 (and up) kph 57-58-59 Chevy speedos there 20 yrs ago. There were probably Kilo speedos in all Canadaian cars.

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European Exported and Antwerp Camaros/Chevys got the KPH speedos as well

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No KPH Speedo's in 67, 68, 69 Camaros that came to Canada, and never seen one for sale.

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I am understanding the point you offer; I am considering the COPO Camaro's built in Canada-for example; and in the event GM did use the "KPH", at what year was this procees started? I was looking at a KPH from another Chevy from 1969-1970 and I had never seen one in this configuration, thus my inquiry here to establish the pattern... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Canada did not start putting KPH in vehicles till around 1976. And after that for a few years they came with both MPH and KPH on the speedo. So no 1969 Camaro or otherwise would have that KPHspeedo in it.
Peter

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Ok, if this is the actual procedure at THAT time, why do we see occasionally the KPH 69 speedo's for the Camaro that has been doc'd?? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Camaros weren't being built in Canada until quite a few years later. Never saw a kph speedo here in those days.

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I have a 77 thru 79 Nova tach dash with the KPH speedo.
Brian

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Pete's correct...no KPH stuff in Canada until '76 or '77.

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Remember the question about kilo speedos in Canadian cars?

Here's a guy in the Detroit area that has a 200 MPH?? KPH?? speedo for an early Chevelle.

200 MPH?? KPH?? Speedo

I saw lots of 200?? speedos at the Detroit area swap meets that sort of fell onto someones lunch box. I was sure it wasn't Alzheimers. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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It was quite common for stray parts to fall into lunch pails and pockets too. It can sometimes be pretty obvious, at the local flea markets, that the stuff must have been falling like snow into certain pails and pockets. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

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The kilo speedos were only for export to europe from what I understand.
We were all MPH till mid 70's here in Canada,road signs,speedos all mph.

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In Canada we didn't even know what the metric system was until about 1975.It began with weather temperatures (farenheit/celcius)in the mid 70's then road signs and speed limits/speedos in 1977 and so on in a progressive way over several years.I still don't know what a kilopascal(instead of lbs/sq in.) is but some day I'll get there.Anyway even though ALL speedo's in 69 were MPH some companies made overlay decals you could install in your dash.Some were crude others were quite detailed.I once bought a tach/gauge/speedminder set up for a 1972 chev P/U with KPH and thought this is neat, but when I took it apart I discovered it was just a decal(and a very convincing one)

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Here is how a KPH Speedo from a '69 Camaro looks. All Camaros sold new in Sweden came like this. Later imports (cars sold new in the USA) had new faces from stickers. In those cases the trippmeter still count miles. The original KPH-speedo counts km.

http://www.protouring.se/files/kph_speedo.jpg


Jan

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Welcome Jan ! You have to tell these guys some stories about the musclecars you saw in Stockholm back in the seventies.

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That KPH speedo is cool as heck... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif I want one!

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im looking for a 68 speedo anyone

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This is a 67 KPH which I bought out in Pleasanton CA about 10 years ago. The sticker is worn but the speedo is mint.

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sticker

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Steve Drueck? I know you...

Didn't you work for that CPX joint in Milwaukee??

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He owns D&R Classic Automotive now.

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you mean this place

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/dr.JPG

as in one of our sponsors here!!!

Wonder if that got me an extre 5% off https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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CPX was Doug Martz in Milwaukee. I don't know if they are still operating , Doug retired a few years ago. BTW yenko.net 'ers all get 10% off most items just mention the website or order online. You guys are the best and helpful in more ways that can be described. Not too many of you folks are getting the proper credit IMO.

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Ever since Bill Glowacki (the foremost expert in Camaro'ism)left CPX I think they tanked. Nice work Billy, I still have my Camaro Identifier from 1987.......

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Having some fun here dudes; Stevie and I go 'way back to when he was selling parts out of a garage.

Ahh yes, the Camaro Identifier. Between D&R, CPX and The Generals' Store [aka Mainly Weatherstrips] gross sales must have been $100k. The check for my end must be lost in the mail.

I have a lot of warm memories of what it was like 20 years ago. At SC-Indy we had THE best spaces in the joint, directly behind the 1st stands [at that time] for which Doug would slip Schroeder a whole $400 for the 3 days. It would take hours to walk the swap; a nice Rosewood was $35. By 10 on Saturday the parking lots at IRP were full. And I still remember talking with the Sievers' boys; they just paid $65,000 for an 8,000 mile RS ZL-1.

All true.

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I used to buy a lot of stuff from CPX back in high school. Haven't been back to the store in probably 4 years...last time I stopped by, the early Camaro/Chevelle used stuff was pretty scarce.

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All gone now. CPX no longer exists.

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I recently bought literature from Doug Martz who is selling items on Ebay today.
There is a guy right now that sells reproduction car parts indoors at Jefferson every year,named Brad,that handed me a CPX Auto Parts flyer revised with his name on it.
His address shows 7552 W.Appleton Ave.Milwaukee Wisc.,but the Phone number is disconnected. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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That's sad...CPX was a cool place. I remember unloading a couple of nice Chevelle cowl hoods to CPX for $150 a piece so it's obviously been a while.

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I unofficially worked at "7552" from '85-'97, leaving when Doug moved to NV. He busies himself by going to about every swap around trolling for rare literature/promo items to peddle on ebay.

Everything reminds me of a story and this is no exception. In the '70s Doug had a wrecked '69 convert rebuilt as a Z11 [who cared in those days?] and set to collect all of the promo items related to it. An inveterate card player, he had a local promotional company manufacture hundreds of decks of cards with the Z11 post card photo on the back, many of which were sold through Old Cars. I've seen them displayed as "rare promotional items"; you would think the 1976 copyright on the carton would be a clue.

Many names familiar to the hobby passed through the doors: Normann, Drueck, Cunneen, Esse, Hampton, Bulaw, Dyer, Pearse, to name a few and in the summer there were always neat cars around in addition to the '67 Z/28 and ZL1 that lived there.

As I said, all gone now.

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thought I should sneak in here, 1978 was the first year for metric speedometers in Canada. Before that time we built CKD (Complet Knock Down ) cars that were sent to Europe, South Africa , South America and Australia. These would of had metric speedometers from the factory. Domestic Canadian cars were labelled Drive 1, cars built in Canada for shipping to the U.S. were Drive 5, export overseas were usually Drive 3. Drive 3 cars would have a metric speedometer. Hope this helps, your friend in the archives.

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William...why would you let Normann and Bulaw in the building ? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif........BTW I think it's great to have George Zapora contributing... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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They agreed to pay triple-list price...

That's a joke BTW. Doug was so cheap Z&Z or Heartbeat would often buy our entire Hemmings ad for our asking prices.

Z&Z was an experience. Heaps of parts everywhere. We were in his office talking about Z11s and he mentions he has one, a BB/4-speed. It was parked about 20 feet away and you absolutely couldn't see it.

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William...where was Z & Z...? I vaguely remember a place like that in SoCal...it started out in Garden Grove...then moved to the city of Orange...same place? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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When I was in contact with them they were in Orange County CA. We would pay a courtesy call when in CA shopping the Pick-A-Parts prior to Pomona. They asked murderous prices for stuff; don't know how he stayed in business. They are gone also; liquidated a couple years ago.

If you have been in the hobby a really long time you will remember Bob Wingate..

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Wingate ads in the old Cars & Parts were cool...he handled a lot of iron.

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Yep...it's the same place then...I got big block pulleys from him for my Nova way back when (circa 1979)...he WAS a ripoff...that's why I started going to pick your part, too! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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Billy they didn't stay in business, John would ask prices like $700 for a 67 plain console, back when they were worth $100, then keep accumulating stuff so deep it would get trashed. They were on Lemon ST in Orange CA. People would drive in rust free cars and sell them for a couple hundred dollars. Tow trucks would bring Camaros in on the hook. They got way behind on the money with the landlord (allegedly) and finally there was a liquidation auction where a lot of stuff got sold for cheap. Most of the cars and good stuff went to Dan Ruth in Perris before it went down, and he got posession of most of the cars and parts he moved up there eventually through another legal deal (allegedly) When John called me he was still asking heaps of money so it wasn't worth moving it all east. This was all many years ago. Last time I saw Dan Ruth he was tricking out Hummers. He sold most of the Camaro stuff. Dan's a good guy always tinkering with something. Z & Z had a lot of rare cool stuff, too bad it ended that way. Unfortunately there was a long string of customers over the years that were unhappy with the parts they received for the price they paid. I guess if they kept them until today, the prices would have caught up by now! I saw John a while ago at Pomona, he still sets up far down on Chevy row from us now and them. Dougie was very cheap on available parts, but you always told me they were "stolen" , say it ain't so! Maybe having no kids to feed and inheriting a GM store kept the overhead down a bit too! And those $30 rosewood wheels, and $100 12 bolt posi rears. well, as you say, all true. aaahhh the good ole' days!

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Steve...that's definitely the place. I ended up living close to Shaffer St. and Chapman Ave. in old town Orange. I would walk right by that place a couple of times a week... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/frown.gif