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Here is a picture of the 05 Monaro and with a hood scoop treatment . The GTO is supposed to get the same hood. Looks better them the flat hood. They are at least going in the right direction.

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I like the new hood scoops if they are indeed functional. However, the 'new' GTO is getting mixed reviews. The old school GTO owners say its' not worthy of the name because its not built in America.

On the other hand, it is rear wheel drive and has LS1/LS6 power. A nice combination in this age of front-wheel drive Ricers and Econo-Boxes.

Times do change!

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While I am still on the fence on how the new GTOs look, I will say the scoops do add alot, but I also have to wonder how much it would have cost Pontiac to retool the Grand AM into RWD as was proposed several years ago when the talk of bringing back the GTO surfaced. If it was mui money, can't blame them for looking elsewhere for something already RWD.

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I would like to have seen a more retro look.
The new GTO has the goods under the hood
but the styling looks like a Japan built
car(imo).

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Here is a picture of the 05 Monaro and with a hood scoop treatment . The GTO is supposed to get the same hood. .

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Our car mags just released photos of the Monaro going on sale in late August2004

NO SCOOPS.

Where did you get the photo ????

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I got from it from www.ls1.com.au a Holden forum. Still unsure if that hood will be standard on the Holden but the word is that it is 90% sure for the GTO but you never know. Heres another pic.

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This statement is coming from a Mopar guy. So please take that into consideration when responding. However. Looking at the new GTO so far, it doesn't remind at all of the original cars (I literally mean, "AT ALL"). Unlike the Ford Mustang which I think will take the car purist by surprise, what's the attraction to this new GTO. Thanks, Patrick https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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It was not susposed to lool anything like the orig car. Does a 4th gen camaro look anything like a 1st gen? The essence of the car is the same though. The first GTO was born from a rather plane (for the time) looking LaMans. GM has done the same with this GTO as it looks like your typical 21st century coupe but packs a punch.

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I agree with you. I drove an 04 and decided to pass for now. The car has plenty of power and a great interior and excellent handling characteristics. The outside is just a little too bland for my liking at least a new hood is a step in the right direction. I can't verify the attached pic but I hope it is for the 06. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

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Last I heard was that GM would like to build the car in N. America. However, the 'bean-counters' calculated that the cost is prohibitive even though the motors are built in MI.

Go figure??????

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I understand the recent camaros were nothing like the 1st generation camaros. However, you could tell which family tree they came from. I think the history of the GTO speaks for it self. It was a great car. I just don't think GM has done just with a car with such history. Show me something with some real GTO roots. Patrick https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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Supposedly shots of an 05 GTO with scoops Looking better

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Rear shot with duals coming out American Style https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif Supposed to have LS2 https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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The problem with retro styling is it does not sell. The VW bettle the Prowler, the T-Bird and I think the new Chevy Truck (if it ever made production ) they are really interesting to look at, talk about, but they don't sell.
(Mini is the exception ,,but then again its a Bimmer )

Why you guys go on about GTOs I have no idea, they actually never ran too hard you know. Even some our our touring cars could hose them off. (high 13s quarters ... but 160mph top end ) Mopars and Chevs ran hard, Stage 1s and Cobra Jets were also good, but 400 Pontiacs ???

I hate to sound like this, but some of you retro guys should just get over it, or you will lose one hell of a car.

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GMH I have to agree with you....at least on the retro styling part...this GTO doesn't look retro but it goes like hell from what I have read...and getting better next model year...

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I finally heard a GTO ad on the radio the other day---The GTO was going thru the gears---reminded me of the old 60's ads---Nice sound----They gave the 1/4 mile times with the optional 6 speed ,but they slipped my mind-----

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I think the new Mustang will do very well.I would like to see the Saleen version.

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Agreed, but then I think the Mustang "Brand " is prety bulletproof. They have often made some very "unexciting "
cars and they still sold. The Corvette is the same.

Its different though in bringing back a name with such an emotive feel as the GTO. Think Lutz crashed and burned only on the name, not the car.

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Having spent several months daily driving and putting over 5000miles on a 2004 GTO I will say it is one great car.. Fun as hell to drive and a pleasure to drive. Takes a beating too. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

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I love the "idea" of the new GTO, but I think it's fighting several problems which prevent its ultimate success:

1. Marketing--I haven't seen/heard much media play for the GTO...not much TV or Radio. Also, since its a halo car, Pontiac should be building their performance initiatives around this car and they aren't.

2. Looks like a Grand AM. Similar in size and appearance to the Grand Am is not a good thing. The generic rear wing only makes it worse. The interior is excellent, but nobody at Pontiac is talking about it.

3. Typical new-age GM indifferent approach to build quality. I went thru this with my '96 Impala SS before I sold it. Suspension groans and creaks, interior squeaks and rattles and other issues. Just look at any of the US and Australian forums dedicated to the GTO/Monaro. Diagnosing and correcting all of the little problems has become a cottage industry among the new GTO faithful.

I hope the GTO is successful and spawns other powerful and imaginative GM siblings. However, it seems like an uphill battle right now. GM has an extremely poor record of sticking with these projects and seeing them through. Witness the Buick Grand National/GNX, the Pontiac Fiero, the F body cars, the Cadillac Allante, the Buick Reatta, the Caprice/Impala SS, and others I am not thinking of right now.

I REALLY WANT to like this car, I want to want to buy it. But for now I too am holding off.

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<font color="blue">If people would use their imagination, like in the 60's &amp; 70's, the GTO would be a great car. There are 2 problems:
1) It's overpriced for the 'average' buyer. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif
2) it needs a 'lot' of customizing to make it cool.
The good thing is you can put a paint scheme on it &amp; an exhaust &amp; it will be yours &amp; fast. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif</font>

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400???? Wow guy, you trying to get under a Pontiac guys finger nails?

Because of your post I tried to dig up some sales numbers, but was unsuccessful. So I'll just tell you as my eyes see it on the road.

I have seen maybe 2 total Mini Coopers on the road over the last year, may just be dumb luck but I haven't seen that many.

VW Beatles are EVERYWHERE, as are the Ford Mustangs. Now the Beatles don't sound hot like the Stang, but they do stand out with styling as does the Stang. The Cooper stands out too, and I like em but there sure aren't that many rolling around my neck of the woods.

The 04 GTO is something that could have been great. Runs great, handles well, nice interior, but that's where it stops. When I am on the road I am on the look out for them, I have maybe seen 3 to 4 running around town, and I have to squint my eyes and wait until there real close to make sure it's one. Even as close as a block away I'm still saying to myself, "self, is that one" ... is it? I'm not sure?

They are a dead dog on our lot, first they are hard to get off the transport truck and second they aren't moving very well in sales. Author's note: "our" is in reference to the place I work and take pride in being part of the team that makes the business run, not a reference to ownership.

You know what, screw this trying to make a modern look. When I drive my 1969 GTO I turn more heads in one day than all the 04 GTO's running around my town will do in a year.

I promise you if there had been more of a retro effort, it wouldn't be getting all this flack and our dealership would be flooded with customers. So what if you fall back on an ole design, the old stuff still works today. It's much better than making an over priced Jelly Bean. And I have nothing wrong with a world wide economy, but I want this one made at home.

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I for one like the retro cars and for the most part i think they sell well, i see alot of them, but then again i have a Prowler so im a little biased. As far as the Mini is concerned, we don't see much here becouse the closest dealership is in Vancouver. The dealership here is to small to take the line on, they are looking at expanding. Calgary dosent have the line either. I think they're better built then the bug.

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This retro thing has to be done right. It's a tough job and a fine line between which side of the "Wow Factor" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...emlins/eek.gif you end up on.

I've seen a bunch of new Beetles. -But they have been out since '98. I haven't been real crazy about the look, especially the front (bumper car?) and I bet they'll stick with this look for awhile. Are they on a 10 year design plan? -isn't most German stuff like this or what? I'm familiar with the original bugs and know what was changed on them from year to year, but when it really gets down to it I like '66 and older. The PTCruiser, it's been out since 2001. Sure I've seen a bunch, but I think it has slowed since the introduction. All it is, is a Neon or Breeze (Plymouth) with a body that actually has some room. That look I don't mind. But I really see these cars as basic transportation with a little retro look. For some people that's enough. There is not enough there to get me excited. Now I had thoughts of buying a PTCruiser when it was first talked about with pics showing a 2-door sedan delivery. -"Hey, if they have that body on a Dakota RT chassis, I'm going to try it". Still waiting. The Mini, it's a BMW and came out it 2002. It sits on an M3 chassis. I've seen a bunch around. They look good in the right colors and run pretty good with a harsh ride (seats). I'd say it's better than the new Beetle. The Prowler, It's in a class of its own.

The GTO, I see them at dealers and I keep looking for them on the road. I've seen a few driving (2 red, 1 blue, 1 black). I don't recognize them right off. I can't tell from the back. Not until I hear the exhaust and/or a tire chirp at shift that gets me to see the emblem. I really don't care about those other cars. The GTO has almost everything, but needs a tweak in the body for me. But a car with guts is better any day then a car with retro skin.

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"Talk about beating a dead horse". The car just looks bland. Retro or not,it deserves more!! Especially if its going to say GTO on it.

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And when I say retro, I don't mean build a clone of one of the originals but I mean to go after the styling presence of the originals. Everyone needs to know your driving a GTO a mile off.

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Your right the GTO has no individual identity. But it does drive and handle very well and it's pretty fast. If Dodge comes out with the Charger let's hope it looks like this. If the new Magnum is a hint it looks pretty darn close to the concept vehicle before it hit production.

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I have to say that agree with what most of you have to say about the 2004 GTO https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...thumbsdown.gif (even you, Steve https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif)

I have a feeling that GM knows that they made a "boo-boo" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/blush.gif I was at the Press Party today for the Woodward Dream Cruise (Bill was asked to bring his Bobcat) and LOOK what the guys at GM brought to the party! This car was just finished this morning https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

I actually like THIS! https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

Rita https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/smile.gif

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Hello....now that is tough looking...

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Here's another https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif shot

I really like the retro '64 style exhaust tips!

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It has a 389 cid motor with functioning Ram Air system.

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Now if that car with Ram Air makes it to market they will finally hit a Home Run..

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Well Maybe it's my "Medication" talking,but right now,I actually like that!

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Finally--A retro Ram-Air set-up----

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Oooh... a wide-body. I think I like it. That's enough.

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Ahhh guys, this is part of the problem. There is no way anyone here will buy it,(any stylised GTO ) not sure about the Saudis but the Poms won't buy it either (gonna be a Vauxhall over there )

Saw a STP (??) Firbird, bonnet scoops etc a month ago and yes ppl here stared. Also smiled, shook their heads and laughed.

What is great style in the US is over the top elsewhere.

If you want that car you guys better build it youself, and I can't see GM building a line for a 20,000 car. This piggy backs on a mass produced (100,000 ) sedan chassis. we can build em in small numbers, but in the US, ... don't think so.

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Actually I’m impressed with your cars engineering, very nice suspension work. You shouldn’t take GM’s failure in US marketing skills so personal. When John Delorean masterminded the 64 GTO, he created a market. What was the 2004 GTO suppose to accomplish? Who did GM target with this car?

The 64 GTO was genius, the 67 F body was genius, the RAV was genius, and in my book Delorean was genius….. but they tried to drop this 2004 GTO in the middle some where. It was a marketing maneuver that at this time appears to have failed, year end sales totals will be the final word.

I’m disappointed in the lack of styling yes, but more disappointed that it hasn’t worked well. We love the GTO over here, and the worst thing would be for it to flop.

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Even though I've got an '04 GTO (for the moment).. I agree with alot of the comments on the styling.. The way the car is and looks... I actually like it.. but it should not have GTO emblems on it.. Call it anything else and it would be a big seller.. To carry the GTO flag, the car should just SCREAM GTO.. The '04 does not.. But as far as what it is, it is an awesome machine.. I've practically destroyed the rear tires on it already.. I've had it up to 152mph in 5th gear with tach and another gear to go and it was still pulling like a mother***** and sticking to the road like you would not believe.. I let Pantara drive it and even he was impressed with it.. Perhaps he can chime in here and use his own words on his opinion of the car.. but I agree.. It should be called Monaro.. or something else besides GTO.. but damn is it a fun ass car! I got about 5700 miles on it and NONE of those miles were put on in a tender fashion.. I drive the everloving piss out of that thing https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif and it just says.. "come on. give me some more" https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/headbang.gif

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It's nice, but still could be better, but not to expect that they will with todays day in age. You know they must appeal to the masses.

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I saw a rendering somewhere of a possible design and it had stacked headlights like the 65-67s.. and it looked pretty neat