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OK - we all pretty much know what the going rate for '69 Yenko cars are, but I haven't heard numbers being thrown around for the going rate of '69 Baldwin Motion cars...I'm not looking for specific numbers, just a ballpark figure for each....I'm particularily interested in the rates for Camaros and Novas.....any input is appreciated.... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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IMHO, I think a #1 condition, documented '69 Baldwin Motion Camaro w/4speed, a good color, good Motion options (L-88, side exhaust, hone, etc.) could perhaps get very close to ZL-1 $$'s. A similarly equipped 69 Nova maybe $75K less. These cars rarely trade hands and most are private deals so getting a real market price is pretty difficult.

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here's a question we'd all like to see an answer too... so how many are OUT there? We all know of the most popular and public made B/M cars.. but what about those unknowns? There has to be at least a couple... anyone care to share? Would love to see some new B/M cars surface or at least be recognised and brought out of hiding.. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gif

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I saw on BJ past auction a year ago that yellow zl1 w/ orig motor went for275K, I didn't know motions brought that dough, how many dealers did he have in his network, did he also use span to set that up... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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There are only two Yellow ZL1's. Neither have their orig engines in them but they do exist. Neither have sold for 275K. Are you thinking of Reggies white one with the orig block with it ? It was a No Sale at 275K.

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maybe, I'll look it up, that's still alot..

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To my knowledge, there are about 7-8 documented '69 Baldwin Motion Camaros. At least 4 of those are owned by board members. '68 BM Camaros, only 2 documented that I know of and both owned by board members. '67 BM Camaros, don't know of any left that are documented. The Novas and Chevelles don't know, but VERY few. Once you get into the '70-73 Camaros there are a few more, but still are extremely low in number. The 69 BM Camaro likely tops the list in market value. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif

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I know of 2 documented '67 Camaro one is owned by a board member and one by a non board member. 3 '68 Camaros (two by board members and one by a non board member) and 9 '69 Camaros. I know of 2 '69 Novas and 1 that is in the documentation process (1 owned by board member) and 3 69 Chevelles (2 owned by board members)....off the top of my head.

Which brings up a question...a couple years ago there was a pic of what looked like a '68 BM Camaro (blue with black stinger hood) on the cover of the National Parts Depot catalog.....was that a real car or was it something other than a BM car????

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While both 1st gen ZL-1 and Baldwin Motion Camaro's are extremely rare, I can only think of 8 - 10 Baldwin Motion 1st gen Camaro's (Phase III) out there vs. ~42 ZL-1's. I would think it would be easier to buy a ZL-1. Some ZL-1's have been sold (for big money), yet no one has recently parted with a Baldwin Motion Camaro - making it hard to compare both cars on the market. With only 4 ZL-1's for every 1 Baldwin Motion Camaro, which do you think should be worth more? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Cool cars for sure....but a ZL-1 really is not comparable to a converted car IMO...both very rare and valuable.

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Yeah....they made too many ZL1s https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif......j/k

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The rarest would have to be a B/M Phase I or Phase II.

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Oh yeah a Phase I or II would be about as rare as they come...

Shame that Joel didn't bother to make one or two... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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??... So which would be worth more? a phase I or II??? or a Phase IV? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/crazy.gif

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bait & switch https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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55chevy.. I think they were called BM's until you got to Phase 3. Belair was making a Joke because every BM car that turns up is always a Phase 3. As for value between a BM and a ZL1 I will always value a ZL1 because it was a Factory car and can be verified by the vin. BM cars are mostly verified by paying one Guy a Fee and that makes me uncomfortable.

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A really valueable car would be a Nickey/Motion ZL1 Phase IV with the * conversion..... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

No seriously I think that it is interesting that the only true 1 owner BM car that I have heard of owned by Board member JoeG was a phase III but in a 396 not a 427. It also makes you wonder like Belair said that the joke is that they are all phase III 427's. You would think that with the cost advantage of the phase III 396 more people would have went for it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif hmmmmmm.......

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Hey !!!!! It wasn't a joke....I have never seen a Phase I or II...

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You are correct that there were no 1's or II's because Joel told us that he came up with the Phase III name in early 69 or was it 68. Then he put the slant back window in the '69 vette because of his big dogs and called it a "SS427 Phase III GT".

Of course when '70 model rolled around then he went to the "SS454 Phase III GT" on the vettes and just "Phase III" on the Camaro's.

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You would think that with the cost advantage of the phase III 396 more people would have went for it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif hmmmmmm.......

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Yeah Frank(Mr.Deuce) --you would have thought the Phase III 396 wold have been more popular, since it did have a full factory warranty.There is a 1968 article about this very subject,where Motion set up a Phase 396/375 in a 68 Camaro with the PhaseIII goodies.When I get my scanner up and running I will post it.If Motion had offered at least a 12 month warranty on the 427 drivetrain on a conversion I would have gone for it,but just couldn't swallow the 90 days.--No regrets though--JoeG https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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55chevy.. I think they were called BM's until you got to Phase 3. Belair was making a Joke because every BM car that turns up is always a Phase 3.

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I know Charley.. I was just being funny. But I did hear a rumor of a Phase V Chevette... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif

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You are correct that there were no 1's or II's because Joel told us that he came up with the Phase III name in early 69 or was it 68.

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No Bob.
No Phase one or twos were produced as per Joel R.

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Early on ,Motion did mention Phase I,II,III in mag.articles, but like you said Phase I,II never came about

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Well that would explain why we have never seen one I guess huh !!!

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There was also an article on the testing of two PhaseIII '69 vettes, one blue and one yellow.In that article, Motion was offering PhaseIII packages , but in StageI thru StageVI levels of performance. In the end ,it was less confusing , to offer a standard total performance package to a specific engine plant as a point of reference as in PhaseIII 396,PhaseIII 427, PhaseIII L-88 etc. and add on from there.--Joe https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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what was that motion camaro that sold recently from the collection of, uh, uh, kevin is his first name, sorry can't remember his last name, but anyway it was a radical looking car, and i think if memory serves me right that it sold for 125k?

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That was a 1971 Red w/white stripes Phase III BM Camaro that I formerly owned. It sold a few months ago for $125K and is out in Idaho now.

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this is actually the car i was in reference to, http://www.cars-on-line.com/69cam11877.html

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I think Kevin decided to keep the car.

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is that right, well i'll be darn.