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Maybe this one has been discussed before, but does anyone have any info about this car, or this dealer? Seems a bit high priced for a hardtop, or is this what the LS6 cars are bringing nowadays?

http://www.desertautosport.com/main....l&CarID=97

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You could've bought it at Vettefest November 22nd for 85K.I believe Flying A restored it.
I like that color. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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I would question the claim of being the highest scoring car, as I thought the Shadow Grey car Rick Nelson did scored higher. Possibly this car was then re-scored. I noticed they don't show the documents (buildsheet, POP, etc.) I would think it is high for a coupe, but then again in this market who knows...IMO I think it would be closer to $110k or so, but that is my opinion.

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Clearly a very nice looking LS6. If I am correct, this car was for sale in Hemmings a few years back for $40,000. While prices have certainly appreciated, the price seems way out of line, in my opinion.

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COULD HAVE BOUGHT AN LS6 AT BJ LAST WEEK 31K ON IT ORIGINAL PAINT THAT WOULD KNOCK YOUR SOCKS OFF! WITH ALL THE PAPERWORK FROM NEW! TRUE TIME CAPSULE SURVIVOR $ https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ins/3gears.gif75,000

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What color was it I do not remember seeing a car like that at BJ

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CRANBERRY RED WITH BLACK INTERIOR MATCHING NUMBER PS,6500 TACH,BUCKETS CONSOLE,AM-8TRACK PERFECT ORIGINAL SPATTER PAINT IN THE TRUNK WAS IN STORAGE FOR 25+ YEARS WAS AT ROSSI AND STEELE AUCTION DOWN THE STREET https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

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I would go for a survivor car any time over a restored one. Even though not perfect, the factory did a pretty good job of building them. Well, most of the time. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/haha.gif

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Thats what I thought. That car had a replacement pop so there was no real docs on it. The motor assembly date was stamped 1 week before the build date of the car, The rear quartes were completley cut up and had to have tabs welded on them to attach the rear wheel well chrome. I cant believe it brought that much money.

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What color was the car that sold...red?? Sorry, but I'm alittle confused as to which car has the imperfections...

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Yes its a red car. I was told the car was sold on Ebay a while back. The way the rear quartes were cut, it must have been raced thats why it had low mileage.

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Tom...That caught my attention. You would rather have a survivor car than a restored one. I have a 69 SS L78 that has never been taken apart. It has been painted though. 66K miles. Nothing wrong with it. Runs and drives excellent. Shows some wear, but is real decent. Would you consider a frame off, or leave it alone?

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"Has been painted once" kind of clouds things, as per a true survivor, but if no rust, etc, I would leave it alone and enjoy. I have owned a couple of L-78s with low miles, a '69 Camaro and a '69 Chevelle, both survivors, and both ran great, rode and drove excellent, just fun cars. The Camaro would SCREAM, maybe out running our Yenko Camaro, and the Chevelle simply hooked and went, with no hint of the dreaded wheel hop. As Rob and I get more and more involved in Pure Stock drag racing, we realize we should have kept both of these cars. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif

Nothing against restored cars, as that is what my cars are, just really appreciate survivors. Partly I think 'cause there are so few of them left. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/worship.gif

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Thanks for your input Tom. I agree, it is not a survivor, due to the paint. The few things that have been replaced, Master Cylinder, Water Pump, and Carb have been purchased and will go back on. I am concenrating on getting the rustfroofing off everything now. Car runs and drives great. Looks good too. Thanks again for your time...Tony

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i didn't think ls6's were bringing that kinda money. i've seen several advertised with all docs. etc. going for around 50k. its a very nice car, but imo i don't think because of a certain color or the number of docs. a car may have outta raise the price, although needs correct docs. but the number thereof has no bearing.

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You could've bought it at Vettefest November 22nd for 85K.I believe Flying A restored it.
I like that color. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/burnout.gif

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If this is the Flying A restoration I have seen this car apart as well as finished. It would likely not be a car listed 2 years ago in any ad as the car has been finished for at least a year and under restoration for approx. 2 years prior by my recollection. Again this may not be the Flying A car but looks like it could be with NE paperwork. Car has serious money tied up in it with a super job done by Flying A but knowing what I know about this car it is not worth the money being asked IMHO (doesn't mean they won't get it). I'd be curious to know how it ended up in AZ as the owner during the restoration was from Omaha area.

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It's a long story and is owned by the same gentleman who bought the benchmark LS-6. He is pretty quiet about his toys. Although a beautiful car, I was a little surprised to see how high it scored as I had inspected the car at VF and found several errors. Still all in all, a very expertly restored car.

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GTO DON - Assuming you spent some time at this auction, do you (or anyone else) know what the 70 LS5 convertible was bid to or sold at?

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As far as LS6 value..It has always been my personal opinion that a documented, diamond certified LS6 should bring MORE money than a similar COPO Camaro. The reason I believe this has to do with documents and the fact that a buildsheet on a LS6 (again a real buildsheet), pretty much guarantees you are buying the "real deal" all things being equal. I think even with the lower production numbers on COPO's they can't be 100% documented (as a general rule)since just about all are Norwood cars (hardly no broadcast sheets)and therefore shouldn't bring the prices they are.

If we use COPO Camaros as a guide, a correct LS6 that has been Diamond Certified, should be a 125k+ car, as more than likely it is 100% verifable as a LS6. IMO a documented (buildsheet) matching numbered LS6, irregardless of color or options is and should be worth more than a COPO at all levels. Therefore a nice driver (again matching numbered major components and documented through a buildsheet) is at LEAST a 55-60k car. Just my opinions and views..

Greg

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The market sure doesn't think they are more valuable than a COPO and they probably never were as valuable...anyone have a historical perspective ? Thru the years what has been more valuable ???....

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Wow, that is a high price! I'm sure the restoration is a top notch job, but is there really anything that special about the car? They made a lot of LS6 cars so it's not really rare. As for a documented LS6 being more valuable than a documented COPO, I would disagree with that. If you have the P-O-P or window sticker for a COPO, you have definite proof of what it is. Buildsheets are nice, but they sometimes got put in the wrong car so that's not 100% conclusive. COPO's are a lot less produced and the sleeper factor may also contribute to the increased value.

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"As far as LS6 value..It has always been my personal opinion that a documented, diamond certified LS6 should bring MORE money than a similar COPO Camaro."

LS6 more valuable than a COPO? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif N.F.W. (IMO)

A COPO can never be thoroughly verified as 100% legitimate??? I think you're gonna find alot of people disagree with both those revelations. I'd take a non-buildsheet COPO camaro over an LS6 with 3 of em... and I don't think I'm alone. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

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Well again that is an opinion...and I wouldn't think anyone has ever made POP's and window stickers???? Give me a break...I guess you guys are saying that a Camaro that happens to fall within a general body range and time frame AND MIGHT be a COPO, because of that it is worth more than a papered LS6???? Remind me to laugh...

It is only because the majority of guys here are Camaro guys (and you want to have the esteem of owning a COPO)that you would ever suggest that a COPO without any paperwork, just a "hunch" would be worth more than a papered LS6. Just so you guys know..I own both..and would never feel the X11, BE reared, single fuel line 1969 Camaro is worth more in the same condition as one of the LS6's. It is just my opinion...

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Hey Joe, The 12 bolt cover looks real good! Tha https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...iggthumpup.gifnks, sam

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I guess you guys are saying that a Camaro that happens to fall within a general body range and time frame AND MIGHT be a COPO, because of that it is worth more than a papered LS6???? Remind me to laugh...



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Nope, I'm saying that you don't need a buildsheet for conclusive verification that a Camaro is a COPO. How many Yenkos have been found with buildsheets? Does that mean they are all "questionable" without one? I don't think so. Oh, by the way, don't forget to laugh. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/wink.gif

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Greg, you changed your comparison. First you said a documented LS6 is worth more than a documented COPO because you think the LS6 documentation is more accurate. Now you're comparing a non-documented COPO to an LS6. Different story. Everything can be forged so nothing is better than anything else. That being said, a documented COPO is much more desirable than a documented LS6 IMO. A non-documented COPO is worth more than a non documented LS6 as well. But you can't compare a documented LS6 to a non documented COPO. I would take the documented car for the same money any day. Now if you're comparing a non documented COPO with matching #'s, then I would take that over the LS6 because the matching #'s is original. But I prefer Camaros if you're talking cars of equal value. This is my opinion and what I would do. No reason to argue because we each have our own preference.

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Just call us nuts, and I guess laugh at us, but we onced owned a 1970 LS-6, with build sheet, fresh 454, cowl ind., 4:10, 4 speed, Red with black stripes, bucket seats, console, all the other goodies including an 8-track tape player. Guess why we sold it? Yep, to buy one of them COPO cars with out paperwork, a '69 Yenko Chevelle to be exact, needing restoration. And, at the time, priced the same. Go figure https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Tom, you're nuts. (don't forget to laugh)

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I believe the actual full Yenko VIN's are known through paperwork, or at least the vast majority of them are..If they aren't then what does that say...??? I don't think COPO's are..to my knowledge there isn't a list of VIN's as in the 69 ZL1's that show a complete VIN..Therefore wouldn't it be fair to say that someone can take a single 3/8" fuel line low HP V8 Camaro that is a X11 body and build a COPO. Using your theory since the VIN isn't known and if the cowl tag and body build sequence is close then it is a "possible" COPO. I'm aware of the cars being built in sequences as well btw..but since there isn't a "firm" papertrail..who would know? With fraud being such a big part of this hobby now, wouldn't a car that has a factory paperwork be worth more since it can be eliminated from the potential frauds? I hate to argue this point as I think it is again personal opinion, but IMHO..the main reason COPO prices are at the level they are currently is largely in part to this website..Think about the number of cars that are traded among members here, each time raising the "value" and also helping to "validate" the car since it can be attributed to a "SYC" member. Case in point is the cars at Legendary Motors...these are documented Yenkos that are having a hard time moving(or at least did as I'm not 100% sure they haven't sold as of this writing)at the "current" prices..if the cars weren't somewhat overly inflated then they would have moved...the "non-SYC" member doesn't or is at least having a hard time, justifying the value or they would have never stayed around..Especially for such a popular car.

I'm not saying these cars aren't worth money or trying to step on others toes, but just food for thought. The LS6 in my opinion (again we all know what they are like) is currently undervalued.

Respectfully,

Greg

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What's the difference between building a fake COPO on an X11 body and building a fake LS6? It might be a little easier to build the COPO, but it's harder to get the correct parts(BE rear) vs the LS6 Chevelle parts.

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There isn't a difference...the point is that with a LS6 there is a point of reference as far as documentation if the car has a buildsheet...With a COPO there isn't that point of reference..therefore it would be quite a bit easier to fake one and since the hobby says factory paperwork isn't needed to "validate" the car it would "pass" the muster if done correctly. Try to get the same value on a LS6...won't happen since the hobby expects at a minimum a buildsheet...Also while BE rears are hard to come by they aren't impossible and since that is one of the "key" COPO components people are even restamping them...


Jeff..I never changed my opinion on the values..I think the "acceptable" paperwork on a LS6 (the buildsheet at a minimum) means that when looking at both cars of equal condition and validated as to what is acceptable (a buildsheet for the LS6, nothing but a build date range, a BE rear, and a body sequence range for the COPO) the LS6 im muy opinion should bring more money, as it has factory docs and would stand a greater chance of being legit. Case in point is this L89 '69 Chevelle convert that is local. If that car had a buildsheet with it's original drivetrain it would be what 200k frame off restored..much rarer than Yenkos or LS6 converts..Since it doesn't have the "acceptable" level of docs it is only worth 75k or so done...Why?? Because the guy having the income to buy wants to see he is buying the real deal....not saying "well...??"

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But you're still comparing an LS6 with docs(buildsheet) to a COPO with no docs and you can't make that comparison. I would take the LS6 with docs over a non documented COPO without the original motor. If the COPO had the matching #'s motor, then that's as good as documentation and I would take the COPO over the LS6. We all know engines get restamped, but someone can forge a buildsheet as well. Buildsheets are known to be found in the wrong car so a buildsheet isn't bulletproof evidence either.

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As Jeff has stated, all paperwork can be reproduced, even fake buildsheets have been found. If I am going to pay all the money, paperwork is not the only thing I am going to look at. Uncovering the integrity and pedigree of a car involve ownership history, close inspection of each component and overall originality. Bottom line, do the research and buy the car that your most comfortable with.

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"Buildsheets are known to be found in the wrong car so a buildsheet isn't bulletproof evidence either".........................Arent the serial #s of Ls6 cars located in the right hand corner of the buildsheet,therefore easily detectable from which car it came???/ https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/dunno.gif

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Greg,

Not to start a flame war, but compare apples to apples. A 1969 Camaro with a 396 vs 1969 Chevelle with a 396. Given both in the same condition which will sell for more? I agree the LS6 car does not command the respect it deserves. Look at 1971 Corvette LS6 rare yes, worth as much as a 1969 L88? I do not think so. It realy boils down to the buying public, and now Camaros are a hot ticket item not just on this site.

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yes, but someone could remove the VIN from the buildsheet or alter it and say it came in their car so their car is a real LS6.

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An Ls6 buildsheet without a vin on it isnt really concrete documentation......