1970 RAIV Judge Ragtops
 

<font color="red"> </font> I was wondering if anyone had any info on any new finds out there of 1970 RAIV judge converts? There were 12 4spds &amp; 6 autos produced. There is a registry, by color: 1)green 2) two red( 1 is mine) 3) orange 4)black 5)white 6)blue two of them 7) silver The break down is 4 sticks, &amp; 6 autos known

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Milton Robson has the black one [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif[/img] Was there more than one in black?

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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] Hi, Yes Milt does have a black RAIV, it is a 69. He has a red 70. Great collection he has of all types of cars! Do you have any pontiacs? <font color="red"> </font>

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It's been my understanding that the real number of RAIV ragtops were not known. 18 and 20 have been the number that has been thrown around, which is quite believable to me.

I know of Milt's red one - I don't think he owns it anymore. I think there was a white and blue one in FL. A guy in NV had a black one, but I don't know if it was real - I saw it at the Nats in Denver. Owner claimed it was real.

I did not know Robson had a '69, which has got to be the ultimate. I know Ames has one, and he probably has a '70 as well. And then there's Gary Cave in MD who probably has at least one.

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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif[/img] <font color="red"> </font> HI, yes 18 seems to be correct. The 70 Hemi rag # @ about 20 or so, &amp; they do 400-800k!!, so I feel the Judge converts. w/RAIV are a real value now. I broke down in previous post the # of doc. cars so far [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]by color &amp; tranny. I hear about others, but till PHS is shown, they can't be verified. I'm pretty lucky to have one! I think milt still has his as well as Gary &amp; steve. They are both good guys &amp; very good asset to the GTO hobby.

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Milt's black '70 vert. is being built back up right now. It's in the shop just miles from me!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]

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Correction- Milton's rag top thats car being restored is a '69. My bad.

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I know of a guy who has one in sauk city wi.It is a black RA 4 70 judge.

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HI, it is a convt? RAIV. Has anyone out there ever seen a special order ( - -) paint code Judge? I have a 70 Daytona yellow RAIV, orig paint car. thanks [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]

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Isn't it technically a Goldenrod Yellow Judge?

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yes, GTO_Don had a special order paint 69 Judge that was sold out of Pontiac's retail store in Michigan. It was also Goldenrod Yellow. It as listed as such on the PHS and Build sheet. Michael Green has a special order paint 71 Judge convert that is probably almost done being restored. I think it is close to a Camaro color Rally Green? It has a white top and Ivory interior and was ordered for a Florida dealer to pay special tribute to the Florida Gators if I remember the story correctly.

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HI, I would assume it is a non pontiac color, that's why the 2 dashes on trim plate. Goldenrod yellow a non judge color, but still a pontiac one. The car is really a one of a kind, paint really nice for being 33 yrs old. It is a Freemont Ca.built car. My thought it is prob. only RAIV built this way. It is really a loaded car also.
What GTO's do you have? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img] <font color="yellow"> </font>

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HI, I would assume it is a non pontiac color, that's why the 2 dashes on trim plate. Goldenrod yellow a non judge color, but still a pontiac one. The car is really a one of a kind, paint really nice for being 33 yrs old. It is a Freemont Ca.built car. My thought it is prob. only RAIV built this way. It is really a loaded car also.
What GTO's do you have? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img] <font color="yellow"> </font>

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Sounds really sharp..any photos?
Sam [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]

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<font color="yellow"> </font> [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] I know Mike Greene quite well. I know of his green 71 convt. When you say Don, I assume you mean Don White. Don great guy, just talked w/him the other nite.
Did you buy his black RAIV 70?

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HI Give me your email, I'll send them. Do you have a 69 Z-28? My friend has a ZL 1, copo, &amp; yenko.
I'm also into the 69 Tas. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]

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Just because there are two dashes does not mean it's not a non-Pontiac color. For example, if my car came in Rallye Red (which is the same as Carousel Red, I believe), it came with two dashes, even though it is designated as an optional color. I am not sure why that is. I feel the two dashes for your car is not determinant on whether it was a Pontiac color or not because Goldenrod Yellow is obviously a Pontiac color.

The two dashes has confused me and I am not sure if there is a rule of thumb to it. As I know it's been used for RPO and non-RPO colors (for a respective model) as stated above, it seems like there is no rule of thumb.

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carousel red is the same as hugger orange [code 72] on late 68's and all of 69. goldenrod yellow is a f-body only color and thats why the 2 dashes are on the trim tag. it was also used on chevelles in 69 [ss396 color only] as special order. on build sheets it list as rpo [special paint solid] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img]

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HI I agreewith D [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]on, my thoughts were Golenrod Yellow was a bird color. I compared my spec. order yelloe to Daytona paint chip, looks same. I would assume this is prob. only RAIV out there in this color? I thought 2 dashes meant non pont. color? <font color="yellow"> </font>

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You've basically said the same thing I was, but more eloquently. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

All I was saying is two dashes does not necessarily mean special order, per what Olds did with Rallye Red (and I believe Sebring Yellow too).

What were Carousel Red GTOs designated as? They still had the 72 or they had dashes?

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HI, I could be wrong, but I'm sure Goldenrod yellow a bird only color. I took paint chip it seems to match the Daytona Yellow. My cousin has a 70 Lt-1 vette, looks the same.
I think tech. speaking there is no way to tell true color w/dashes. But my car is orig paint, &amp; I lifted the carpet etc to check, also someone wrote in grease pecil in door jam that it was spec. color &amp; date car made.
I'm really happy w/car I feel it is a real unique car, esp. w/raiv/color &amp; all the options.
It was a Freemont car, is'nt that near San Fran.? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]

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Hi, the carousel red was a standard color, used 69. I've seen it on: 68/9 gtos &amp; birds, would assume special early order. In 69 standard on judge, extra cost on bird. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img] <font color="yellow"> </font>

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I never said it was not a Bird-only color. All I am saying is that dashes don't specify non-Pontiac color. Their meaning is more encompassing, having to do with 1) colors in the palette that was not offered on a respective car, like yellow on the GTO, 2) a color not available as an RPO, and 3) I know evidence that sometimes they used it for some RPO colors, but I don't know why.

Also, there are a whole bunch of Carousel Red GTOs out there. They were not Judges but standard GTOs.

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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif[/img] This is getting kind of confusing, here I thought I had a special car? with a special paint color? I know I've never seen another, espec. a raiv. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img] Yes, there were some GTO &amp; birds both 68/9 in carousel red. Also in 76 they made TAs in that color again.

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I think it has something to do with the new car order process or paperwork. The SS Chevelle in Monaco Orange or Daytona Yellow got the 72 or 76 code but a non SS Chevelle in same colors got the dash.

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Exactly!

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Don't let anybody kid you. You have a VERY special car, regardless of color.

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Faded Golden Rod Yellow on '69 Fbird.It was listed on the bottom portion of the window sticker as special paint,or special order.

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Goldenrod Yellow was an RPO for the Firebird in 1969. It is not a special-order color. Maybe optional, but not special.

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HI, thank you, think it is quite special. The "special" paint(Daytona/Goldenrod/Saturn/Sebring) or whatever anyone wants to call it, makes it a unique car. The RAIV, &amp; orig. cond. w/all options is nice too. Thanks again!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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HI, goldenrod yellow was on paint list for bird, avail. @ extra cost. It would have a paint code on dataplate. I'm just tring to fig. out what your thought is on mine. My data plate has 2 dashes, you say it is not special order? When I got my PHS, it does have an * for paint color.
Do you have any pontiacs&gt;? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]

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I've had one with a dash on the plate for color, regular 69 GTO with Carousel Red, I was told it was special order and I best I can remember it had Special Paint on the invoice.

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Just like steved said, if it was not RPO for a particular model, it received dashes.

Of course, that's excepting the Olds example I used.

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Hi, I would assume that the extra cost was because it was a Judge color, but still a pontiac color.I've seen 69 GTO &amp; Birds in carousel red. I'll have to ask the guy if it had dashes. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]

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On the Chevy's the -- paint codes usually means "non-standard" paint. It could be a non RPO color from a Pontiac, or Corvette, or it could mean stripe delete. I don't think you would call it special paint, just non-standard paint.

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MY FRIEND COLIN FROM CLASSIC AUTO JUST LISTED A 70 L78 CHEVELLE IN HUGGER ORANGE OR MONACO ORANGE [ WHICHEVER YOU LIKE] ON HIS WEBSITE!! PAINT CODE -- COOL CAR! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif[/img]

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HI Jeff, I'm not real informed on chevy. I know a guy w/69 Camaro SS B.Block, it is painted black, &amp; has 2 dashes. I was told it has the 2 dashes, as it was an early 69, &amp; black was not offered then.
I assume my 70 RAIV Judge has 2 dashes as it was painted a non Judge or even A body color. Whatever the case I believe it is a unique car. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img] <font color="yellow"> </font> [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif[/img]

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judgeragtop
Are you sure about that year?
Black was offered in 1969.
On 1970 Camaros,which were Feb.70 built,they were not available in code 19 black.

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That's what makes the -- paint code so difficult to figure out. It could be a standard color like black, but maybe it had the stripes deleted. Or it could be an odd color like the Carolina Blue. Without good documentation, the only way to know for sure is to strip down the old paint to find the earliest color hoping the car was never stripped and repainted. Looking for the paint in door jambs or hidden under the hinges might be the only way to find the original color.

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HI, I'm not real good w/Camaros. But this is what I know, the 69 is a B.B. SS, it has 2 dashes on trim, maybe since it has no stripes? It has 2 dashes? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]

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Hi Jeff, it is an orig. paint car w/low miles, the stripe delete may be it. I was told black was not offered 68 &amp; early 69? but I know the pontiacs, not good w/chevy. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]