Rust versus Original Drivetrain
 

I am considering a '67 Z that is unbelievably original, but rusty underneath and wanted opinions on whether you value a rust free car without the original drivetrain more than a car that has had the floors and trunk pan replaced but is just about 100% original otherwise. All opinions appreciated. Thanks [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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Original drivetrain, as long as it's not a rebody. Most cars have some body work done....

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Thanks Kurt - it certainly won't be a rebody if I buy it. I know some don't have a problem with that, but it's not for me. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img]

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Original drivetrain is preferable IMO. Save that car, Mark! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]

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Original drivetrain, fix the rust.

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Kind of depends on your resources. How much money you want to spend. It is cheaper I think to do a motor and trans than to fix rust. I love original drivetrains, but I dislike rust more. If you build your self a real 302 with the correct dates you will be like 95% of the rest of the muscle cars out there. Re-bodies are really not the car at hand but a repro kit car in my opinion. The motors all look alike, but there is a difference in the Chinese sheetmetal. Rust just never sleeps! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] Good luck, Sam

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Original drivetrain for me.

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THE DRIVETRAIN IS IMPORTANT TO ME. A RUSTY CAR CAN BE REPAIRED. THERE WAS ONLY 602 67 Z'S MADE, HOW MANY ARE LEFT? DO THE CAR... KP

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For a more common car, the cost of repairing a rust bucket might outweigh the value difference for original driveline. But for a 67Z, no question.....original drive line will add more value than it will cost to repair the rust. Especially if it is confined to the floors.

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Thanks for the comments guys. I had a friend view the car today and it is pretty rusty...much rustier than it was described to me. However, the drivetain is all there - even the distributor, carb, etc. I've made an offer but I doubt it will be accepted. The current owner thinks you can basically replace nearly all of the sheetmetal on and under the car and paint it for $6,000 [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

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If it is that rusty, you will probably have almost 3,000 in materials not including the sheetmetal you would need. Nice project, nice car! Worth the money... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] Sam

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Sounds like a great project, don't expect to get it on the cheap, however. These cars are now at the same price the COPO's were at just 3 years ago. Probably will appreciate more as less COPO's are available in project form. You must save the body, especially with an original drivetrain. Do whatever it takes, and if possible, use an original floor.

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Just for fun, let's hear what some of you think it is worth? RS, good color, am radio, no other options, running, body shot - needs everything!

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Mark:

If the new guy can put his 2 cents in, this should be a two part question. The second question should be, what do you think it would cost to fix this thing right? Even with a 67 Z I think you would have more money into it than it would be worth when it was done. Again this means doing the car correctly with original parts whenever they can be found.

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Bill: I'd say $40K minimum and more than likely $50K to restore it.

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Mark:

My guess would have been in the same area $45-50000. And that's with me doing disassembly and reassembly and paying someone to do body, paint, machine and other specialized services. The scary thing is I am usually way low on my estimates.

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Knowing the cost to restore it properly, that would probably put the value of the car as it sits around $15-25K IMO. The RS adds value along with a good color.

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Jeff, Do you really think that car in that condition is worth 15-25 thousand? I know the car is rare and desirable but I was thinking (not seeing it) around 10-15 thousand. Even if Frank Arone and Brian Henderson do that car I would be surprised if you could get $50.000 for it.I am sure you will have that into it if it is done right. I feel the 67 Z is well underated but the 69's with millions of them out there is still the first choice by most. I really like the interiors of the 1967 camaros and the location of their gauges. He just has to look at it as a long term investment and really just do it for himself. I would use all original sheetmetal, (I did my 1969 Z with original west coast sheetmetal and it looks very good). I am not really crazy about NOS unless it is from vey early 70's. Original virgin sheetmetal really does fit better. Just my opinion. Sam [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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I would agree for the most part with Jeff at 15-20K. The 67 Z is starting to come into the scheme of things in this hobby as I see more people looking for them. On the high end at the moment I am representing a high quality example at 100K.
Motown [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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That is good to hear. I like to see the Z/28's get some respect. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] sam

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Wow, I didn't realize that a 67 Z in that kind of condition was worth so much (15-20k).
Where does a 68 fall in?
I looked at a 68 Z a few nights ago.
373 12 bolt, has original trans, no engine,
RS, deluxe black interior, and PDB-of course!
6k redline tach. solid body originally white.
what's it worth? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

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The Yenko's and COPO's have brought up the price and value of all the "next in line" high performance cars since they are out of reach for most people. The L89 and L78's are climbing fast and the 67 Z28 is right there with low production numbers like the 1970 L78.

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Hey Jeff, Your crossram, JL8 car will lead the pack for us Z/28 second stringers. Love those RPM's [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif[/img] Sam

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Buy the car and store it..pay 15-20 and in 5 or 10 years you'll feel like you got it for free! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]