Baldwin Car For Sale
 

For Sale:
1970 Baldwin Motion Nova. Needs total restoration. Included in the sale price are all new parts for the car. Pictures available upon request. Car is in Southren California.
For more information call (661) 723-0817 ask for Dustin [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif[/img]

Re: Baldwin Car For Sale
 

I'm interested. Just left a message on your recorder, as well as emailed you. Thanks, Kevin

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gr8grl7,
I guess you contacted JoeL Rosen--to document your car-that's how we last left off back in June---???--JoeG

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Dustin
I am interested too.
Can you release the asking price here,as is the new standard practice on this BB.
You should list this in the Cars for sale area too.
Rick

Re: Baldwin Car For Sale
 

You are Rick??

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I bought the car. It is not yet totally documented. We'll see what develops.

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Wow while we were all scratching our heads and wondering about the car and it's sale price Kevin has bought the car, having it shipped, and about to have a nice dinner in that short time! Wow heres to you Kevin good luck! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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Good Luck---- M [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]TI [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]N

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Cool Kevin.
Glad to see someone pulled the trigger.
Please keep us updated on what develops. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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Send me all the pictures you have. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Thanks [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img] 55chevy454@(remove...)sbcglobal.net

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can we see the pics? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Re: Baldwin Car For Sale
 

NO THE CAR IS NOT SOLD, WE ARE IN NEGOTIATIONS, AND NO, IT HAS NOT BEEN TRANSFERRED ANYWHERE, OFFERS STILL BEING TAKEN.

DUSTIN [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]

Re: Baldwin Car For Sale
 

CAN WE SEE THE PICS PLEASE?

Not a Baldwin Car, Not for Sale
 

I am in Southern Calif right now. Been to this car twice now. I spent the day with Dustin's dad. Just got off the phone with Dustin to see what's going crazy here. Anyway we signed an agreement for this car 10-16-03. I've given Dustin 50% payment of the total sales price, some is cash greenbacks, and most is in form of a check that I've asked for him to hold cashing until I can verify the motor. It is supposed to be a 396/375HP motor that is in a guys garage that is out of town, so we are waiting for him to return tomorrow in order for me to see it.This car is NOT I repeat NOT documented as a Motion. I will need to contact Joel and pay the fee to see if it is or isn't. It is supposed to be an 396/375HP?? car, but I've yet to see that.

Anyway, I almost sympathize with Dustin because a bunch of you Yo-Yo's out there are calling him offering to buy it when we already have a signed legal binding agreement. I am sad as it prompted Dustin's post above. I can almost understand why Dustin made a post when whomever you Yo-Yo's out there are calling him to try to buy it, when you idiots calling him don't know anything about this car. It is in as poor condition as one could think. If you thought the pics of the possible DANA thread Camaro were rough, this car is much more rougher. It will be a very high dollar resto. If it is not a Motion car it is not worth restoring even if it is a 396/375HP car, and I don't even know if it is an L78 yet. If it is a Motion car it will only be worth what I would have in it after restoration. As I type this I still have not seen the motor, but am told is supposed to be a 396/375HP motor, so best case scenario is that it is a 396 Motion car. You guys need to lay off, and just let us wrap this up with me inspecting the motor to check the CKQ suffix with matchin VIN. Thank you!!!!!!!!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif[/img]

Re: Baldwin Car For Sale
 

Kevin..So a Car is advertised for Sale and People inquire about it and because of that we are Yo Yos and Idiots ? I stayed away from the Car because you so quickly said you had bought it. Then Today the Owner Posts that is indeed not Sold. I called and asked him what happened and he told me that you had made a offer but he was still accepting offers as yours wasn't very much. There was no mention of a Contract. He even went on to say that the Highest offer was made by someone other than you and that the Highest offer was a Whopping 12,000.00. He also said he didn't see your Post about you having claimed to have bought the Car until his Girlfriend checked the Site Today. That is why they said the Car is still For Sale. You may indeed have a Contract with him but how are we Idiots supposed to know that ? Is a Post like yours worth it for a 12K Car ? Wow...I think I'm actually Speechless.... Good Luck...Signed..One of your Idiot Friends....

Re: Not a Baldwin Car, Not for Sale
 

I didn't call [nor know anyone that did] Kevin, but the owner just posted 4 hours ago that he was seeking offers and the car was not sold. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] Maybe that's what he's been telling others that have contacted him too. It's confusing when a seller says it for sale, and a buyer says it's not [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] Hope it turns out to be a new real-deal for someone!
SS

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Charley, is it necessary to post a copy of our contract??? I can, it is dated 10-16-03. But I would have thought guys would believe me. I can understand why the guys called after the recent post by Dustin today, but I am speaking of the guys that were calling prior to today. They are the ones that prompted Dustin to make this post today.

When you told me about the Supersnake car for sale on eBay, I told you I had made attempts to buy it years previous. At that time didn't seem you were interested in this car, or I assume you would've bought it from the eBay auction. Anyway, later when you said you had something in the works on it I respected you and refrained from calling the owner/seller of that car. I didn't know you were a caller on this supposed Motion Nova, and don't think of you as a Yo-Yo or idiot. I am the one that is speechless now. Signed....One of your frustrated friends....at least I hope we are.

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I don't doubt that you have some kind of Contract and don't really care to see it. I think your Issue should be more Focused with the Person you have the Contract with. He apparently still thinks the Car is still For Sale as Evidenced by his Post. I would Imagine there were also many that did stay away after you said you had bought the Car as well as those that didn't. I assumed you didn't indeed Buy the Car for whatever reason and Inquired. Motion cars are very much in demand and you should expect People to keep calling the Guy. The best way to have avoided all this would have been to just Buy the Car.. The Price seems pretty cheap and I don't see why you would even bother to buy it if it was just a L78 Car. The best thing would be for the Owner to post that it is Sold and end all Confusion as we are all losing Sleep over it.
As for the SuperSnake.. I never saw it on Ebay but was told about it by a Friend. It had been on Ebay but I never saw it. You were told about it by Dave and Contacted me. I was told by the Seller that someone was in line for the Car ahead of me and relayed that to you. I do remember your comment about since it was advertised that it was Fair Game but then you backed off and I'm glad you did because I would have had to Kill Dave....

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Was this car ever painted green and set up as a drag car?

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The best thing would be for the Owner to post that it is Sold and end all Confusion as we are all losing Sleep over it.

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Yes, Dustin should post it is taken and should not be posting they are still taking offers. He's signed a legal binding contract and received money from me. Not only is your word your honor, but an attorney would have no problem enforcing this contract. It is stated in the contract that I am to inspect and confirm the car/drivetrain which I was told was all original, so that is why I am here. The car has a 10-bolt on it right now, but was told the original rear and muncie was at another house. We went to see it and it was a 12 bolt stamped with numbers for a Camaro. The Muncie had different VIN on it, so it is not original. The motor I've not seen yet, nor has Dustin for a year or so. Several times we went by the guys place that is storing the motor, but not home, and Dustin did not have his phone number. Aside from seeing what motor to verify what it is, it would be nice to see that is not missing. I think that is only fair and reasonable that I be allowed to verify what I was told, plus in writing in the contract, and also states that I am to entitled to inspect what I am buying. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

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Joe C, no it wasn't.

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I think if I was in that situation I would offer to throw in a Knuckle Sandwich to close the deal...

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I think if I was in that situation I would offer to throw in a Knuckle Sandwich to close the deal...

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I agree with that [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] Kevin should definetly be left alone to investigate this Nova and see what it truely is. And I don't think the seller should be on here accepting offers or even allowing phoned in bribes since he has a binding contract with Kevin. If the car turns out to be a real Motion Nova could you post up some pics of it for those of us with no money who will never get to own a Motion car to see? If it turns out not to be an actual Motion car, don't worry about the pics.
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Re: Baldwin Car For Sale
 

Actually it is done and it all worked itself out. Dustin, fiance, and Dad are nice folks.

I attribute some of the problems to callers that were trying to undermine our deal.

Pictures will get posted when I return home.

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NAME CALLING?,CONTRACTS,LAWYERS!,SORRY TO HEAR THAT. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img] WHAT A SHAME,OVER A CAR,JUNK AT THAT!! WHERE THE HELL DID ALL THE FUN GO? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] I GUESS THE 80'S ARE REALLY OVER! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumbsdown.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bs.gif[/img] JUST A THOUGHT! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img]

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So another Motion Nova has been found and will live again in it's former glory??? AWESOME! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img] Thanks for saving another piece of Super Car history Kevin. Give that machine justice.
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GTO Don, I assume you are making generalized statements about the hobby, and these are not directed at me. These are my opininons to your comments
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NAME CALLING?

[/ QUOTE ] I think using the words Yo-Yo and idiot are too tame to describe guys attempting to buy this car out from under me.
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CONTRACTS

[/ QUOTE ]I used to believe verbal was good enough, but nowadays I get it in writing with signatures because of situations like this car deal and guys trying to undermine it.
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LAWYERS

[/ QUOTE ]Don't even like the mention of that word, only mentioned it as being the avenue to enforce signed agreements. Never have, and don't believe I'd ever do anything over buying a car to supposedly enjoy; and the amount involved on this car was not worth doing anything.
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JUNK CAR

[/ QUOTE ] It is now. But now the intent is to get it documented fully, and restore. A good portion of great cars in the hobby were junk when found.

Re: Baldwin Car For Sale
 

Hey Kevin;

Send me your junk please! [That POS orange Dana for starters].

Post up those pictures...

SS

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Kevin, I sent you an email. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/CharleySucks.gif[/img]

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Okay Steve, I'll put The DANA in my will to you. Now you just got to hope I croak before you. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif[/img] Anyway you have good taste in junk. All your cars are awesome, not a bad one in the bunch.

COPO Charlie, I got one email, that I replied to from my Laptop. Is that the one or did you send a second one? Thanks.

Re: Baldwin Car For Sale
 

Sent another one to your AOL account.

Re: Not a Baldwin Car, Not for Sale
 

I confess that I am probably the yo-yo referred to in the previous posts by SuperCars.

Sensing a ëSmoke Screení I did not believe that the car in question could have been purchased so quickly & I called Dustin. He stated that the car had not been sold although SuperCars had faxed a Sales Agreement & he, in turn, offered the Vin #. He also said he had not signed the agreement nor was there a deposit on the car. The added that SuperCars was planning to come look at the car within the next few days. Dustin didnít seem to know that the car had been posted as ìsoldî on the website hence his post that the car was still available.

The asking price was $9k but with other recently purchased parts he wanted $12k. Three other people looked it over the day I called. I told Dustin that with B-M documentation that the car would be worth for more than his asking price (possibly $30k-50k) & recommended he contact Joel before making his final decision to sell the car. I then told him that if SuperCars passed on the car to consider me second & guaranteed a back up offer of $12k plus $3k if heíd install the drive train ñ but added if it was B-M that Iíd pay more.

SuperCars, your post regarding individuals circumventing your purchase of this car raised my ire. After all, you attempted to do the same to me last year when I was buying my Gibb / Harrell Nova-Even after the seller told you that we had consummated the deal w/ a written agreement & a substantial deposit.

In closing, Iíll say that Dustin seemed like a nice young guy who, in my opinion, shouldnít have been bullied into selling his car to the first person to agree to his asking price & that he had every right to re-think his decision without legal action becoming part of the equation. He, his fiancÈ & his father should be commended for their ethics for what appeared to be some sort of a verbal agreement, which quickly snowballed into something else. Good luck to you! Jude

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when whomever you Yo-Yo's out there are calling him to try to buy it, when you idiots calling him don't know anything about this car.

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I attribute some of the problems to callers that were trying to undermine our deal.

Pictures will get posted when I return home

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maybe you should post those pictures on YOUR site

Re: Baldwin Car For Sale
 

Jude,
I can tell that you're upset and I don't blame you, given your description of the antics when you bought your Nova and the discussion you had with this seller. It doesn't sound like you did ANYTHING wrong, so I doubt that you're the "yo-yo" in question. There's a giant leap between a draft agreement and a formalized written agreement. After reading Dustin's post the other evening, it would appear that he didn't feel like a purchase contract had been consummated at the time you called.

You obviously felt the need to defend yourself, and you've done so admirably. Have a good week! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]
SS

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Not long ago I had contacted Dave Belk to let him know of a Deuce in Traverse city Michigan. Dave called the owner, made a deal for a tidy sum, and went on his way with truck and trailer towards Traverse City to pick up the car. Meanwhile, someone else here that was aware of the deal mentioned it to a few other people, and on down the line, next thing you know Dave is calling me from Chicago, halfway into the trip, to let me know he had just talked to the seller who had sold the car to someone else. The new buyer had no idea a deal had already been made on the car and when he found out he offered to Dave to bow out of the deal. Honorable. Dave responded with telling the new buyer to go ahead and get the car and turned around and went home frustrated, yet honorable. The seller who expected X amount of $$, came to agree on that amount with Dave. Meanwhile, someone unknowing of the previous deal offers more and the seller jumps on it. Dishonorable. If Kevin had a contract and deposit the seller should not have even been discussing the sale of the car to anyone else. It appears all the interest generated may have awoke the great Dragon of greed to possibly cause the seller to rethink his first deal. If Kevin had struck a deal, that was it, it was Kevin's car. But, it is possible that the other people inquiring about the car may not have been aware of a previous deal as with the Deuce, possibly the seller had led others to believe there was no deal as evidenced by his post. However Kevin, had it all been reversed and you were calling on the car unaware or convinced by the seller there was no deal, I dont think that would make you a yo-yo or an idiot, it would make you a car collector in search of your passion. The seller and his family may be nice people, but I am a bit confused as to how you had a deal yet the seller is posting there was no deal, thereby inviting anyone else interested to call. Looking at the big picture, other then a possible big misunderstanding I would think the harsh remarks should have been directed at the seller if anyone at all for advertising the car further after a deal had been made. Two things in this world will cause people to operate outside the boundries of honor and common sense, love and money, which this situation has both, the love of the hobby and the money from potential profit. Somebody owes somebody an apology here, I am not sure though who those individuals may be. Just my opinion.
Thanks,
Motown [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

Re: Baldwin Car For Sale
 

Well said Jude [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Re: Not a Baldwin Car, Not for Sale
 

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I then told him that if SuperCars passed on the car to consider me second & guaranteed a back up offer

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Jude, Ray Morrison gave me Paul's phone number, and it was unknown to both us that you had an agreement with Paul. I called Paul out of the dark, not even knowing he had the car for sale. What you posted above is exactly what I told Paul Rochester about his (now your) Gibb Nova when you were in process of buying it and had a written agreement with Paul. That if you didn't follow through I'd like to be second on it. Nothing more than that. I didn't tell him he should be getting a lot more $ for it as you were paying way under market value.

Dustin indeed had signed the written agreement on 10-16-03 and his fiance also signed and faxed it back to me from her work at Hale Chiropractic. The day I flew down I gave him $500 cash and a check for $4,000, even after I found that the rear end and trans was not original as he said it was. I couldn't inspect the motor as the guy storing it wasn't home and Dustin did not even have his phone number. I merely asked that they hold on cashing the $4,000 check until I could see the motor. Instead of paying in full we made an amendment (he signed also) that the balance of $4,500 wired to him when all the parts to the car were rounded up and the car ready for pick up.

http://www.corvettes-musclecars.com/...net/70Nova.jpg

Then AFTER signing this agreement and accepting the deposit of $500 cash plus $4,000 check, they posted in this thread that they are still taking offers. Why do you feel they didn't have to honor a signed agreement with a deposit. Why do you feel its right that I should spend a $1,000 to fly down, just to get the run around? I didn't bully them, I just expected them to honor the agreement, is that wrong???

How would you have felt if Paul Rochester had posted on the Yenko site that his Gibb Nova was for sale, and he was taking offers after you had a written agreement and had given Paul money? Paul didn't, but that is what Dustin did to me.

Jude, you really aren't being fair here. Anyway I thank you for the Chevelle magazine you sent, that was very nice of you. I emailed a thanks, but it didn't go through, you must have changed your email address.

Shor, what is your issue? All you've done is back out on a car deal with me, with some excuse that my orange Yenko from Otis Chandler's collection wasn't in(Otis owned 2 orange ones) Otis Chandlers book. I never told you it was, but I graciously sent your $40,000 deposit back, no questions asked. What more could I do for you???

This must be bash Kevin week. Started because I point out that it isn't right for guys to call to mess up a car deal that really isn't any of their business.