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Does anyone know where I can get all of the stupid little stickers, i.e. shocks, springs, backing plates, etc., and any under hood pieces like the little tag that hangs off of the power brake booster hose, etc., for a 70 Chevelle LS6. Seems as though I can find some, not all in one place, and the description on what should actually be there as far as codes are concerned is limited. Seems like the big boys like this stuff dangling in the breeze so I guess I'll give it to them, if I can find the stuff. ...SWB... ssbrewskyaz

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Scott,
Just about everything for these cars are available aftermarket from places like Year One. I get some of my non reproduced decals from Levon Hovaginian in Canada. He reproduces the wiring harness, door tag and others and his work has been flawless. I have had almost every ink stamp from carburators to tire stamps made and some decals reproduced by Dennis Cumby and they are for the most part exact copies taken off original cars. Several can be seen in this shot.

As the LS6 registry gets off the ground and if Greg Carlson can get a web page started, I may list all the different decals and stamps as well as the locations depending on plants and will be complete with photographs of survivors as well as original cars. The response to this has been overwhelming by people so far and will take some time to organize and authenticate. I have been working on this for 4 years so far. All the more reason why we need to hear from more LS6 owners so that we can obtain a more complete photo documention of these cars that can be shared.
Rick

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Tire stamps made with help from Rick Peters and Dennis Cumby.

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A very small selection made with help from Dennis Cumby and Chris White.

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Wow Rick that is cool stuff. You have been busy! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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beautiful engine shot! How do you keep that paint on the exhaust manifolds? I'll bet that engine is'nt started much? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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Rick,

Thanks for the great info. It does sound and look like you have been busy. I saw a sheet on E -Bay a few weeks back that was described as being all of the production stickers for a 70 LS6. The seller indicated that these were printed on some special 3 M paper that they described like it was supposed to be something special. The seller also indicated that the sheet did not have adhesive and that each sticker would have to be cut out individually and adhesive added. I toyed around the idea of making a go but thought not at the end. I realize that most restoration parts dealers would never sell all of the stickers ñ decals in one sheet. Iím sure theyíd sell them individual and get the biggest return on investment available. Come to think of it, I donít know if thatís a good idea anyway. Right now however, it would make things so much simpler. One things for sure, stickers ñ decals, do not an LS6 make.

Are Levon and Dennis willing to produce pieces for others? If so, how about a PM with numbers where I can get in touch. I donít really have a need to buy all of the stamps, even if they were all available, but is there reputable people that I can send components to for stamping. Now comes the dorky questions; I donít suppose thereís a list of all the components that need to have or originally had a stamp or mark in production. On component colors, working for GM for thirty years I assume that most of the component finishes are the same as Camaro but Iím sure thereís some variations. Dorky question number two; Is there any good point of reference that lays the component colors out? I said this before and Iíll say it again; Iím not lazy, but I donít have an abundance of time. If information is out there, and experts like you know where itís at, then I donít feel the need to polish my pride and re-invent the wheel.

The folks that pseudo restored my car put commendable effort in it but I donít think GM was their specialty. The reason I say that is, theyíve got the Black in all the right places, itís just not the right Black. Not even close to GM Recon Black, too flat.

Thanks for the help. Tell me thatís not a Shadow Grey LS6. Youíre killing me. . Iíll start with Year One and see what I can get. ÖSWBÖ

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I saw that Ebay auction.
Not all those stickers were LS6 specific.
You were wise to pass on it.
Rick N....that engine looks familiar! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

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Scott, I sent you a PM with Levon's info. If anyone else needs it, let me know.

I do not want to speak for Dennis but I also don't want to see Dennis getting all kinds of requests for stamps as he stuck his neck out and made these for me at his office. He did a huge favor for me and I just wanted to give credit were credit was due. As soon as I get everything together, I fully intend to offer this as another facet of my restoration business. I have stamped several peoples parts for them already but I am currently seeking out a better type of ink, hopefully epoxy and also trying to locate several correct colors. The inks I have used so far are not durable and smudge very easily. As soon as I can, I would like to put together a complete detail kit for the '70 Chevelle to start with. I would rather have parts sent to me vs sending the stamps out as they often don't come back or come back in bad shape. However, tire stamps are a different situation obviously.

As far as the painting question goes, there are already several generic sources for this info. Both Team Chevelle and Team Camaro list these on their sites. Keep in mind though that these are very genericas they generally list parts as 'black, cast iron, silver', etc. As an example, this particular LS6 I restored used no cast iron paint. Instead, I found a way to replicate original cast iron color on both natural and heat treated parts. However, this is both expensive and time consuming and is not designed for the street driven car but rather a trailered car. As far as the black goes, there are many different shades and gloss levels used on these cars and it just depended on the vendor and a variety of other reasons such as sprayed vs dipped.

And yes, that is a Shadow Grey car.
Rick

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I've actually started to make my own decals as well. I started with the Spring Decals and have now moved on to others like shocks, backing plates, sway bars, frame, throttle cable, brake booster, etc which should be all formatted in a couple of weeks or so. The attached picture shows the spring decals for my car which are not ones that are being reproduced. Fellow Chevelle enthusiast Brian McGuinness sent me all the GM Service Bulletins relative to springs and I believe there are about 21 different 1969 decals based on options and car weight. I think only about 6 are available through the parts places. To be honest I just have a lot of fun playing with this stuff [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

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Don_Lightfoot;

I have created a set of Spring calculators for 1969 Novas to help see what spring number might have been on a car originally based on the options which came on the car. They are based on the option information in the Parts Manuals. Do the GM Service Bulletins have more information about how springs were selected? The 1970 Spring numbers are listed in the AMA documents but not the associated weights needed to calculate what options dictated what springs were used. I am planning on expanding the spring calculators for Camaros and Chevelles, but am stumped the 1970 model spring calculations.

Thanks!

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Greg, I transported all the Service Bulletin information to this page on my website. Check it out and let me know what you think and how it might compare to your Nova specs.

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Don_Lightfoot;

Thanks! That is pretty much what is in the parts books. It is also the same logic that I used to create the 1969 Nova Spring Calculators. The parts books do not have this for the 1970 model year. That was the year when they only offered a few service springs instead of the exact spring that came on the car.

Thanks again,
Greg

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Greg, that spring calculator on the Nova site is great, well done.

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Didn't Chevy advertise something about a computer selected suspension system around 69 or 70? They used this as some type of marketing gimmick but may have really used a primitive computer program to select the suspension components. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

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JoeC,

They did at that. I am sure the computer that created the broadcast sheet calculated the total option weight before selecting the codes. The parts book shows how to calulate the 1969 weight. Nothing shows the 1970 weights used on the broadcast sheet. I think this means that the system was too complicated. I might be able to backend the spring weights to codes from the parts history books and the AMA sheets. We all need a challenge! LOL.

Greg

PS I would love to get a hold of the program logic that created the broadcast sheets...........

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Don_Lightfoot;

Thanks! The 69 Camaro versions are partially completed. Chevelle versions are next. I need to complete them for you all to check out to see how accurate they are compared to real cars.

Click Here for the 1969 Camaro 12437 RPO L34, L35, L78 Spring Calculator

Let me know what you think,
Thanks,
Greg

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Greg
Thats nice work.
I can't wait to see the Chevelle calculator. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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Greg, Nice job [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
One thing I notice is an exhaust sys listed for the L78. Is this the chambered ex sys?
Chambered was the standard L78 ex sys initialy then it became optional due to customers getting noise violation tickets.

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JoeC;

Thanks! I would think it is the chambered ex sys. These are the weights from the 1969 parts book. I think it was published in Sept.? 1968. The weights are for all of the options listed under 1969 Camaro.

I left off a few 6 cyl. options since they will have their own calculator. What I did not do was verify the all of the options on the list came with one of the 4 engines listed. There will be at least 8 different calculators for each line to handle the different engine and body styles.

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mr70;

Thanks, Let me know what engine and I might be able to get that one finished this week.

Despite this I still do not know what stupid sticker to put on my rear springs or what color to make the sticker. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]