67 yenko emblem placement?
 

I've seen a few different emblem combinations for the 67-yenko camaros, whatís correct?

Some use the 67 Vette 427 turbo-jet emblem, some use the basic 427 with a set of cross flags (2 separate emblems), Some yenko emblems are red white and blue, and some are standard black.

Did it depend if the car was a small block based car or a big block car, as a donor??

Then there's emblem placement thatís a whole different issue esp. on the rear panel and spoiler, yenko emblem on the drivers or passengers side of the gas cap? 427 emblems on the spoiler or no emblem on the spoiler.

Hum???

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Yenko did not use the "Yenko" shield emblem until 1968. No 67s should have these at all, red white and blue nor black and chrome. The individual 4 2 7 numbers taken from corvette were the only emblems besides the standard issue camaro emblems already on the car on any original pics we have. The attached picture is pretty funny. Those are yenko deuce door panel decals stuck on the hood! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif[/img]

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This black yenko has the shields on the fender, This isnt correct? Every 67 yenko I've seen have the sheild's! Wow.

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That looks like a Fredie-corvettie creation. Is the car from Laguna Beach? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img]

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Unkown where this car is from, I have another photo of a car that was in Cars & Parts mag 1/93 vin# 124377n230891

which is another varation! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

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The yenko emblems on that car are 1970-up. It is actually the style used on non-supercars. Same one used on 70 Deuces, but with black paint instead of red white and blue. the other emblems are from a 67 impala, which could possibly have been used, although all the original photos in my brother's collection show 67 yenkos to have the individual 4 2 7 numerals as used on the hood of big block 67 vettes. Because a 67 Yenko has no outward markings or stripes denoting it as a Yenko, as the 68s and 69s did, alot of 67s had the yenko emblems added when restored so "bystanders" know what they are looking at... They may look cool, but they aren't correct on a 67.

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The 67 Yenko SB conversion cars have different 427 emblems then the L78 conversion cars.

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Joe C...how do you mean...please explain the original engine size in relation to emblem theory. I've never seen a period photo of a '67 Yenko with anything other than '67 Corvette 4-2-7 individual numerals installed, typically on the lower front fenders. I can understand perhaps they tried to cover the existing holes in most cases, but not always, the prototype Deuce still had the holes in the front fenders where the 250's were removed, and I know for example Dick Harrell cars didn't always get the new emblems in the old holes...close enough was just that. Let me know what you've come up with on the '67s.

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The SB 67 Camaro had a small "V" on the fender. The BB 67 Camaro had a big V fender emblem like the 66 Impala 396 emblem. Yenko swapped the 396 "V" emblem for the 427 "V" emblem which I believe fit in existing holes. The 67 Yenko Camaros were real "sleepers." No Yenko badges or stripes, just a 427 emblem on the fender. Some were assembled at Yenko and some at the Dick Harrell shop and came with headers, scatter shield, traction bars, and were advertised as a AHRA legal drag car. With the available 4:88 gear it must have been a quick car. Not much info is available but I believe most of the 67 Yenko Camaros were L78 conversions that Yenko bought on some type of special order and sent some to the Dick Harrell shop to help with the conversion orders.

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I have original papers on one 67 that even had Yenko "fill and paint" the engine ID holes shut. This is a real sleeper move...BKH

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I am curious about the process Yenko mechanics may have used to remove the factory engine indentifications from the front fenders of the '67 cars. I doubt they'd be too interested in removing inner/outer fenders to access the factory speed nuts, but aside from trying to break the pins off the castings with vise grips or some other hack master method that's about the only choice. I'm assuming any new badging would have been attached using "push clips." Any thoughts, experiences?

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I would guess that you can just start removing fender bolts until you can get enough room to reach your hand up to remove the emblem. The fender would come off fairly easy when the car was new but I think it can be done without complete fender removal. Different story on an older car where the rusty speed nut clips break and the nuts spin. If they replace bolts and shims as they found them the emblem replacement should come out ok. They weren't building show cars where they check the fender/door gaps with a dial caliber [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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Were the '69 Yenko cars' emblems attached with push-clips? I assumed that the time involved with attaching them was what caused Yenko to break off the pins on the '70 Yenko Novas, and use double sided tape. No Yenko Deuces have been found with pins, all have been tape - even on the decklid.

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While I've never personally removed a Yenko emblem from an untouched Yenko car, I'd have to say that at least the fender crests were attached using "push clips" in 1969. My brother owns numerous examples of original Yenko emblems, including the '69 pinned crests that have straight cylindrical pins, not tapered at the ends like a GM type emblem. Any used original examples we have ever found have had no "thread marks" on the studs as would be left by a speed nut, and most other dealers of this time used push clips to intsall their dealer name badges. (we'll use my brother's original Grossman emblem as an example, it still retain's it's original push clips) Push clips weren't anything new in '69 and they're always easier to use than trying to access the backside of a panel to install a fast/speed nut. The shape of the original pins on a '69 Yenko R/W/B crest, in addition to the lack of any we've ever found having thread marks on them leads me to believe that most if not all were attached using push pins, the exception being perhaps the easy to access tailpan emblems. Another interesting emblem note however, is the pair or original '69 Yenko Chevelle 427 emblems in my brother's collection. These 427 emblems, the type with the bar underneath, have been filed at an angle to neatly fit the eyebrow moulding on the '69 Chevelle. I believe this to be originally done at Yenko as they were removed from the car very early in it's life. Certainly not all Yenko Chevelles got this extra time consuming detail treatment, but this example shows it's safe to say that Yenko mechanics would do whatever it took to make it happen. Also interesting to note is the fact that any original 68 style Yenko 427 numerals we've dug up (the ones without the bar underneath) have had threaded studs, like fine machine screw threads not fast nut threads, which looks like evidence of these being installed with regular old square machine nuts, like the kind you'd find in an erector set, but then again these were used (most often, but not always) at the fronts of the fenders on 68 Camaros and even some 69 Chevelles, where they are easier to reach the backsides. My brother also has period photos of Yenko cars sporting both the 68 style (no bar) 427's and the 69 style (bar underneath) on the same car. So mixing and matching wasn't a problem for the Yenko mechanics either. I know of at least one '69 Yenko Camaro that was sold new at Yenko with out any crests on the fenders at all. I'd be curious to see what original untouched cars like Bill Hunter's Daytona Yellow X66 have holding the emblems on. I'd bet you'd find push clips on the fenders and hood, and perhaps nuts on the tailpan.

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I agree 100%, especially the details of the funky stuff happening at Yenko. If something is found to be different on a Yenko car, 9 times out of 10 it's on a car sold out of Yenko. Generally, the cookie cutter cars were sold out of other dealers - in my experience.

Good summary, 'kid'!

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The kid is really somthin" eh? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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'69 Yenko Chevelle unrestored

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other side

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One way they used to remove those hard to get at emblems is a sharpened putty knife slid behind the emblem against the pin, and hit with a hammer. That usually shears off the pin and you can then replace the emblem with the new one useing push clips/barrel nuts. Whole process takes about 5 mins. Schonye

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The kid is really somthin" eh? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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Kid, The supercar kid. Man Rick are you awake when you read these posts? [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] I was refering to the fact that he knows his stuff.

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Don't forget that many local owners did not even care for the Yenko image. Many did not want any extra emblems or stripes adorning their new ride. After all Yenko was not a big deal then. Some guys tore the stripes and emblems off the cars the first time Yenko would not stand behind a drag racing claim. Or the fact that the Yenko Deuces were not being classified into the right classes as promised at the local tracks....BKH

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BKH:

Have you ever heard WHY the Deuces never got classified? Everything else got classified, and the Deuces were a pretty straight forward deal, and we have proof they did all the paperwork...any ideas?

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I have been researching that angle of the Deuce history for several years, no concrete answer yet but several theories. I know that Don visited Josh Darden at Colonial and suggested that they put a Deuce on the local track to promote the sale of their remaining Deuces. They did exactly that, and could not get classified and had to run in MP class! I talked to the guy who actually ran the Deuce, and he remembers the whole situation quite well. He said that they never tried to run the car as an official entry in the Stock classes, it was soley for advertising. He added plenty more details, but suffice to say it was an interesting deal! Yenko supplied a specific request to the NHRA regarding the Colonial situation, stating that they 'are forced to MP, so when will the Deuce be classified'. So, the Colonial effort may have been twisted a little by Yenko (imagine that!) to pressure the NHRA into classifying the Deuce. In other documents, Yenko clearly bent the truth by stating that he had sold over 500 Deuces, interesting! I think the NHRA had caught on by then, and were just ignoring Don.

The AHRA sanctioned the Deuce, but it is unclear that the class was consistent. In the Gilchrist photos it clearly shows E3A as the class, this correlates to Formula Stock, E category (8.50-8.99 lbs/CI) with 2 barrel carb and an a/t. This of course does not fit with the LT1 engine in the Deuce which obviously has a 4 barrel carb. However, that may have been the classification for that day - at that track. The NAAR also sanctioned the Deuce, and also put it in E/Stock.

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Yenko tried to get the 67 and 68 Yenko Camaros approved for NHRA Super Stock but was knocked down because they were not considered as factory built.
I believe he exaggerated his production figures on these two cars in his letters to NHRA. NHRA was pretty strict because if one of the auto mfgs (Chevy Ford Chrysler AMC) got something approved the others were very quick to investigate and protest the legality of the car. Bill Jenkins showed up with a ZL1 engine in late 68 in his 69 Camaro and was not allowed to run the car. He could not at that time prove that 50 ZL1s were built (they weren't yet)
With the Deuce, there should have not been a problem with Chevy giving the info to NHRA. There would have had to be a competitor that tried to run a LT1 Nova and went through the process with NHRA. The only reason I could think of why it may not have happened is because Chevy may have discouraged people from running the Nova and encouraged running the 70 Z28/LT1. Chevy liked to get the new models out on the track for marketing reasons. just a theory
I also wonder if the 69 Camaro 427 425hp was legal in the Stock class where they would need a 500 production min.

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I just got a 67 's vin verifyed by the registry, but its got some fill in the fenders emblems holes and the rear RS backup lights, they look like they never were there, very clean job, car is spotless and has no bondo, what type of orders do you have https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...s/confused.gif

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Yenko tried to get the 67 and 68 Yenko Camaros approved for NHRA Super Stock but was knocked down because they were not considered as factory built.
I believe he exaggerated his production figures on these two cars in his letters to NHRA.

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Joe, I am assuming you have this document, or at least have seen, this "letter to NHRA" from Yenko. I for one would love to see it, or at least hear more about what is contained in it. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...lins/beers.gif