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Gotta read this the--Sport Compact Car July Issue. From the movie (2 Fast 2Furious) page 91. The author is talking about the Clone Yenko that was in the movie. "For those throwbacks still stuck reading CAR CRAFT 2f2f included some classic Muscle Cars." The transmission is a brutish Muncie 4-speed, the steering is as much by blind luck as it is by a recirculating ball and the solid axle on leaf springs rear suspension is about as supple as a cinder block being slammed into an old Norge freezer" Despite its Prehistoric underpinnings, the Camaro is a blast to drive" The rim of the steering wheel is ludicrously thin, the instrumentation Stupidly laid out and the driver sits so low, it's like looking out of a munitions bunker" But it was fun.!! "The Camaro's handling is just as Lousy as anyone would expect. Modern BFGoodich Radial T/As can only do so much to counter the suspension, which was state of the art in 1897, and that iron lump of an engine puts all the weight in the wrong place" I can't type anymore get the magazine and you must read the article in full. What should we Yenko owners do??--Maybe I'll SELL my (2) Prehsitoric Yenko's!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif[/img] Mark

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Well, I don't know what we CAN do, but I can tell you what I WON'T do, and that is buy a magazine called "Sport Compact Car"!!!!

Pull one of those "prehistoric Yenkos" and the riceburner of your choice into a parking lot and see which one gets more looks...then for grins, race the 2 cars, and see what "state of the art" gets you.

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Hey WAIT it's my son's Magazine (HONDA LOVER). Forgot the Best line - " 427 cubic inch iron block, cam-in-block, overhead valveV8 making 425HP Despite relying on a Giant Fuel-Leak called a "four barrel carburetor" for induction. Oh my GOD this is magazine is going in Sunday's Trash Pick-Up!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] Mark

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No wonder Supercars is liquidating his collection and getting into Japanese high performance.

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"Giant fuel leak....." Now that is funny! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif[/img] The rest is just plain sad......It takes how much money and 30 + years of tech to run close to these "Old Big Dogs".I haven't found a one ready to step up to my 327 let alone a 427.....Once the revs come up (4000) they slink back in the seat, lower the stereo,and drive away slower than Granny.I can't hear their fart pipe then.... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif[/img]


Steve

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I'll bet he kicked his dog out of the house because it was to OLD!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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Sounds like this was written after a test drive of several 2f2f movie cars. I didn't read the article, but I would suspect that every car fell short of the driver's expectations. They are only movie cars built more for looks than for actual performance. I bet even the japanese movie cars performance were sub-par for what the visual expectations were.

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Unfortunately,the author of that article didn't attribute the term MOVIE CARS to all vehicles concerned, instead he decided to trash a piece of automotive history.THE ONE redeeming factor ,of this so-called article, is that it will make an excellant bird cage liner. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

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The magazine tested all the cars in the movie except the HEMI Challenger. This is how it went: '99 Skyline 14.1--'02 Mitsubishi Evo 15.3--'93 Mazda RX-7 14.6--'00 Honda S2000 13.9--'93 Supra Turbo 14.5 and Guess Who WON??---'69 YENKO CAMARO 13.7 at 106.9 mph....The magazine has an AWESOME picture of the Yenko doing a Smokey Burn-out at the strip. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif[/img] Mark

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I guess the guy never stood back and saw how goofy the movie itself was. When making movies involving cars, you'd think that they would get advice from people who knew something about cars. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

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Well,
A friend of mine in his 1969 firechicken, and myself are planning on go out to race some of them youngsters I hear they race all night I cannot wait to see there face when [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif[/img] I might haft to change my window sticker to read your fart pipe import won't run with this ZL1 or anyother one for that matter. should be fun! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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the only way those jap import cars run is with a baby bottle in the back seat,(laughing gas)ahahahahaha.otherwise they are just little boys cars. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif[/img] put a ZL1 or just a 396 on a bottle then see what it would do to those little piecies of junk.they got their asses kicked at muscle car vs.import car day at raceway park in englishtown last year.
so the magazines can say all they want but in the end its all sour grapes!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]

Ron C
69rsz
02 35th ss perf edition #11
71 ss 454 chevelle

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I was talking cars with a guy at work and he claimed he did a 150mph in his 2000 Acura TL (I have not idea if this thing could actually top out at 150). When I started questioning his claim the response was: I was going slightly downhill! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] After that retort I decided not to talk cars with this guy anymore.

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The magazine tested all the cars in the movie except the HEMI Challenger. This is how it went: '99 Skyline 14.1--'02 Mitsubishi Evo 15.3--'93 Mazda RX-7 14.6--'00 Honda S2000 13.9--'93 Supra Turbo 14.5 and Guess Who WON??---'69 YENKO CAMARO 13.7 at 106.9 mph

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Well, they can talk all they want about the Camaro being "prehistoric", but the time slips tell the real story...

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Well, I did some digging online this morning, and looky what I found:

2 Fast 2 Furious: 1969 Yenko Camaro - The torque of the day

Get this: they griped about the Camaro's poor brakes, yet it was within 11 feet of the Skyline, 13 feet of the Evo, and OUTBRAKED the S2000! How much lighter are the other cars, and tell me again how "prehistoric" and "scary" the brakes are if it's stopping close to, and better than some, of the newer cars? Doesn't say much for the new cars!

So, it out accelerated ALL of the other cars, outbraked 2 of them (the Supra didn't even make it through the test), and said it was a "blast to drive" and a "great looking car"...so, do they not read their OWN test results? Or, did they have their minds already made up BEFORE the test results...

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The reporter needs to remember that the Yenko Camaro is 34 years old. Of course electronic fuel injection is better then the Holley, a 6 speed is better then a 4 sp, and brakes and suspension have improved in the last 30 yrs.
He did admit it was fun to drive.
I bet they needed to use thier Samurai sword to cut the smile off his face after smoking the rear tires with the 427 screaming. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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Remember the name of the magazine guys. He HAS TO be negative about the old car, or, his readers will be P.O'd They're the ones who buy the magazine. I'd be curious to know which car he would like to have for a whole day just for fun.

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First of all he'd probably have to drive off the top of the EMPIRE STATE BUILDING with HIS car and with the help of gravity he might make 150mph, but even at that, the HAMSTER that powers those things, would probably die of a heart-attack!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]
























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Call me crazy, but I didn't think the linked article was that bad. It gave reasoable credit to the cloned Yenko's strong points. The article did have some less sublte promotions to the advertizers products. Sounds like there were advertizes for brakes, suspention, steering wheels and the sort. Demographic target marketing, right?

I try and stay pretty open minded with all types of cars and bikes. The fact is, smaller engines can do more these days. My daily driver- Toyota truck has a supercharger on it, which really helps to flatten out it's torque curve. Heck my wife's old Q45 that I was asked to comment about last week wouldn't even shift into 4th gear until 140 MPH when the hammer was down. I personally know this because I outran a late 90's TA on a dead flat streach of road last year. The Q45 speedo only goes to 160 and I shut it down at 155. I should have stayed in it just so I could say it pinned the needle. All in all, the Q45 is more like a domestic since it is a V8 RWD car, so please go lightly on the flames.

Paul T

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Fair enough. But there was a time when muscle cars were the main game in town and they pretty much shaped the performance scene at the time. Just because some time has gone by it would be a good thing to have a little more respect for yesterdays TECHNOLOGY ,that made today's TECHNOLOGY possible.Criticism is O.K., but tasteful criticism is better. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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A 69 camaro will ALWAYS look better just sitting still, let alone what it's capable of doing by a qualified driver. The ricers will never come close to the style of any muscle car.
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toner

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Just some general comments... First Camaro supercars were designed for straight line. It's kinda hard to bitch about a car's cornering and braking when it wasn't designed to compete in the corners. Maybe Charlie needs to take that writer for a ride in the Mule or we need to find a vintage trans-am camaro for a test drive...

As for little engines doing more, in some respects they do but then compared to a 427 LS6 SBC do they really? My next point is weight to HP ratio. I've no math to back this but let's use Charlie a bit more since he's out having fun!! Drop the mill from a hi performance streetable import between the fenders of the Mule and see how it does...

I do think the artical was written for a target audiance and the writer was saying "the old cars are ok guys" but like so many in todays world the writer had to pick apart the Camaro to help afirm himself with the readers... [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif[/img]

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MOMS -- APPLE PIE --- AND ---CHEVROLET [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img]

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Everyone needs to read the letters in the July Hot Rod mag about the future of the hobby and what is going to be popular in the future. The basic gist of the letters was the animosity the traditional guys have toward tuner cars the import guys also have toward the "old stuff". Tuners look upon carbs as ancient technology and have no interest. What I noticed at Carlisle Ford show this past weekend: Sitting behind 65-73 Mustangs, Ford Fairlanes and Galaxies was grey haired old men. Sitting behind the new Mustangs, Ford Focus, lowered trucks were young men. Not always the case but pretty much drawn across age lines.
I have never believed the argument that the younger generation cannot afford to buy older muscle cars so they buy sport compacts. Most of the "tuner" cars at the show probably had as much or more money in them than most of the traditional muscle cars present.

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The same magazine (July '03 HOT ROD) has a great editorial by my favorite automotive editor, David Freiburger. He points out how, since the dawn of automotive tuning, people have fostered these divisions within the hobby. The Model A 4-banger tuners didn't think the flatheads were "hot rods", then the flathead guys didn't think the overhead valve cars were real "hot rods", then the overhead valve guys didn't think the factory musclecars were "hot rods", because any fool could go buy one, and that was a corruption of the hobby.

The language of the Sport Compact writer sounds about on par with how CAR CRAFT writes about the "ricers". Good natured or not, I don't appreciate the negative vibe from either camp. The hobby needs more cooperation to grow and defend itself from misguided regulations.

There's a new rush of people into the sport compact hobby, and most of them don't have "car crazy" parents or anything, so they're figuring it out as they go. Bolting stuff onto a late model is a lot less intimidating than restoring an old car. And for a 19 year old kid to try and find a real insurance policy on a 30 year old car (not just liability), particularly if their parents aren't willing to title it in their name and do some smoke and mirror job on who's the primary driver, is just about impossible. Hell, its tough for me, a 33 year old father of two, to get a regular primary policy on my old stuff, during the times when I'm "between" late model daily drivers.

The division isn't always money or age, its often experience. Some of the young guys will broaden their taste and do other cars. Many will leave the hobby in their mid-20's, like people always have. I try to be an ambassador for the old car hobby. In my time at the dealerships, several times we've sold an old musclecar to a young guy who drove up in a tweaked Honda. It's cool. The street rod and musclecar hobbies have enough cranky old farts, I encourage everyone I meet to try the wise old mentor thing instead.


Here's some common ground that everyone could appreciate. In AUTOWEEK a couple weeks ago, there was an article on a shop in Michigan that was doing Ford Focus SVT conversions. They were putting tweaked 400+HP Cobra Mustang supercharged 4.6 V8's into them and driving them through the REAR wheels, all without cutting the hood or floor. Looked factory and carried a warranty. Struck me as the true modern successor to the Yenko Nova [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif[/img]. It also cost $69K plus your Focus. (Clill, did you order one yet?)

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Old FARTS + New Farts = Hobby Survival. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif[/img]

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i went to a benifit car show in my area and i enterd both my 69 rs z/28 and my 2002 35th anniversary perf. edition car,the one thing i noticed was that the younger crowd liked the 02 camaro and to my surprise some of them knew that it was a GMMG car,while the older crowd walked right by the 02 and stopped to look at the 69 not even takeing a glance at the new car sitting beside it (the 02).the younger kids like the newer cars like we did when uh we were young [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img].did anyone ever take 2 cars to a show, one old and one new and watch what car draws the most attention?

Ron C
69 rsz
02 35th perf edition #11
71 ss 454 chevelle

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Good point 69RSZ. This past weekend my Brother and I went to cruise in. I drove my '01 phaseII Berger, he drove his '39 Ford coupe with a SBC engine with a Chevy manual tranny. His car is all steel, the paint is original black and all pretty much gone, kinda looks like "stove black", his interior is completely shot. It runs strong and can wickedly burn the tires. We parked next to each other, when he proped opened his hood with a broom stick, people came in flocks (engine is a nice crate motor). His car looks like the old jalopy race cars. Only one young kid in the crowd knew what a "Berger" camaro was, my car got several observations and I got several questions, but I think it was largely due to his car being next to mine and drawing the crowd, 90% of the people their were from the 50's or so. Once they knew the story behind my car they were all into it, I don't think they'd have cared much for a dealer built ricer though!.

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I have to agree with you whitetop.
It's the next Generation interested in different cars.
My daughters boyfriend gets a laugh when I bring home things for my Camaro. I just bought NOS points & condenser from a swapmeet and when he saw them he cracked up!
[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif[/img]
He's got an '86 Dodge "Shelby" Charger with a turbo.
He stepped up from a Turbo I to a Turbo II & added a big Volvo intercooler. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif[/img]
It's actually kind of neat. Black with a silver sripe. Factory Alloys with 50 series tires and lowered a bit.
And it has CS embroidered into the seats. (Future Colectable?)
He hates ricers too. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
At least he's driving North American Iron! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif[/img][img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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There is an article in the latest(July '03) 'Motor Trend' which includes all three cars as well.

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This goes back to a statement I made much earlier in the year!!!! "DOES IT MATTER IF IT IS A REAL CAR???? I realize the "cloning" effect has most and (should be defended!!!) but.............what about the hobby and cars itself? Next will be "kit car" camaros and such!! kinda like ol coupes.or cobras..then what??why not preserve some "ol" iron that is still salvageable?!!!! lets keep em on the road!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or at least in a garage!!!!!!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif[/img] why must it always be a problem........make it a solution!!!!!!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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Thanks, that explains it the best.

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KLONECO;
Maybe it's just me, but I rarely follow your train of thought.

Somebody take me to school on this abstractness. I must be missing the connection between this post and the rest of the thread [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

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Marlin,
It's not just you.

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I'll 3rd that guys!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

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[img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Marlin you kill me! You never fail when it comes to putting life back into the board when times are slow!

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Yea I know, and I'm not a confrontational person in the slightest - those that know me personally can attest to that.

It's aggravating to steal a few minutes during the day reading the new posts, only to get mentally bounced from verbage that appears to be written from a chemical substance perspective!

I just don't get it, somebody please enlighten me [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]

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That's very interesting KLONECO. By the way Motown has some LUNAR propery for sale, last I heard there are no clones on the moon.

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Sorry, kind of lost track, which three cars?

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property--gotta get a spell - check. I'll ride shotgun on that trip to the moon!!! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]