Can't keep Secret much longer...
 

Must...tell...someone...soon.....

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Just don't say that you found the car in Missouri... https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/laugh.gif

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Hmmm,
You bought the ornament that's draped across Pete's COPO Nova?
M

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You bought another dog ? https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

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Drum roll please....................

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http://members.aol.com/clill8567/pace/

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Awesome car Charley!!!!!! Way too go.

[Edited by Camaroinaz (12-06-2001 at 03:09 PM).]

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I knew all that money was burning a hole in your pocket. Great car!! So what's the story behind it?

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One of three festival cars?

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Did that car come from TN?..........RatPack.........

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A J Foyt's car?

[Edited by JoeC (12-06-2001 at 03:53 PM).]

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I kept the secret, post more pictures.

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It is THE Pace car that has been owned by Dan Young Chevrolet all these years.

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Charley,


You must be pretty sneaky keeping this a secret.

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D@m, That's sweet! We knew you were up to something, but since you've had everything else we couldn't figure out what. I guess all that's left to have is a 67-69 Camaro 6 cyl 3 on the tree, bench seat coupe with no options. LOL! So give us details on the Pace Car. Is it a 396 or a 427 disguised as a 396? What did Chevrolet do to that car?

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You have no idea how hard it was to keep it secret. Had to suprise a couple before I told you Folks.

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Well, I guess we know what the feature car for January will be!!!!!!

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Not a Supercar.

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Charley, is the car unrestored?

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Not a restored car ..Has had some detailing done to it over the years. Car has 16000 miles on it . About 10000 of those miles were put on it by USAC , as they used it at various races during the 67 Season. At the end of the Season they returned it to Chevrolet. Chevrolet then sold it to Dan Young Chevrolet in Indy. It has mainly been used for Parades etc. since. In about 1990 Dan Young loaned it to the Indy Museum and it stayed there for about 10 years. Dan Young is now Retired . Cool paperwork with it. I have the orig. Indiana title in Chevrolet's name. Car has a 325 hp 396 as per engineering order on the engine. Apparently the car was orig. shipped with L78, 4 speed but then returned and had 325 hp , auto built for it. I have the factory blueprinting sheets on the engine. Orig. rotting redline tires are still on it. Has the passenger sunvisor removed and a chrome grab handle instead and also 2 more grab handles in the back seat. Orig. pass sunvisor is in the trunk. Orig. spare in the trunk..Ahhhhhhhhhh

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There was a '67 396 pace car featured in Super Chevy magazine in the late'70's that was drag raced only. However the original owner/racer took out the interior, engine and the rest of the driveline so they would not be damaged. Would not even drill holes anywhere in the car because he knew what he had and someday said he may put the car back to original. Car had aluminum slots in the back with Cragar 15x3.5's on the front. Cal Custom valve covers. Was partially sponsored by a upholstery shop I believe and was from Washington state , but not sure. Car was white with blue and maroon graphics. Does anyone know what happened to this car?
Dave



[Edited by whitetop (12-06-2001 at 07:28 PM).]

[Edited by whitetop (12-06-2001 at 07:31 PM).]

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Charley,

Cool car. Now about the original blueprinting sheets, I've never seen any, but would sure like to. Have you ever had these docs on other GM blueprinted motor cars?

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Didn't it have Dan Young on the sides?...BKH

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Charley,

Were you able to purchase the Pace Car for close to 1967 MSRP/ sticker price? https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

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Well the cat is finally out of the bag ! Nice car https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

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BKHPAH...It had Dan Young on it until it went back to Indy in about 1990. The track wanted it to look just the way it did the day it Paced the race so Dan Young removed the Lettering. It has been minus lettering since about 1990..Yes Stefano...MSRP..LOL

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Pretty car Charlie! I always have a soft spot for pace cars. Wanna run for pinks?????? ;)
Peter

[Edited by COPO PETE (12-06-2001 at 10:17 PM).]

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Nope...Can I run my Red car ?

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nice car it pays to keep your mouth shut till you get the car does it have the grab handle on th pass side jeff

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69 Motion..I wasn't worried about someone else buying it, I just wanted to suprise a couple People. Yes it has the pass side grab handle and two more in the back.

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Congratulations on the nice purchase Charlie. Did Chevy put in a stock 396/325 or does it have modifications? Holley or Qjet? 1967 was before Chevy ever put an auto behind a solid lifter big block so maybe GM didn't want to chance a blown trans in front of 400,000 spectators? That may have not been funny to them. There are some original B&W photos of the pace car at the 67 Indy 500 on ebay. I don't know if it is your car or if they used another for photos.

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I have a collection of 16mm Movies from Chevrolet from 1965-1975.
One of them is 30 minutes long and is called "1967 Jr. Miss".
It is about the Sponsoring Chevrolet did for this event.It has Many scenes of Pretty girls in the parades riding around in Chevrolet cars.The new 1967 Camaro is prominently featured and it is a row of 1967 Camaro Pace cars.I will have to go back and look,but I thought I saw the name Dan Young on one of the doors.This all takes place in Indiana.
Girls waiving while the narator talks.
Pretty sappy stuff,but great shots of the Chevrolet Cars!
Yes I know they made more then one 1967 camaro Pace car.

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Absolutely one of the greatest 1967 cars of all time. Maybe THE most well known 1967 Camaro. I have the video of Dan Young being interviewed and a lot of shots of the car, made in the late 80's. I think it is called CAMARO and the Pacecar Story.

Congratulations Charlie, its fun to be excited about those first year cars.

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Here is the orig. spare tire. Has never been mounted. Odd think is that the outside of the Rally wheel is the same color of gray as the back side, not Argent Silver.http://members.aol.com/clill8567/tire/

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Here is a pic of label still on spare. Appears to be a shipping label. Fstone T&Rco, Racing Div, 3802 16th st. Speedway city Ind. From Firestone, Akron Ohio. http://members.aol.com/clill8567/tirea/

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I'll bet it still has '67 air in it. Don't go mixing anything now. https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif BTW Charlie, is there any mention of a sb when it was prepped for the race?

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On a side note.....my 70 Z-28 wheels(back side) and bumper jack parts are painted the same (appearing) gray as the spare tire/wheel in above picture.....can anybody here provide a CODE for that color or do all the different restoration people just come up with there own close....Chuck

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No mention of a small block. Was supposed first built with a L78, 4 speed and then switched to a 325 hp, auto. Has a SS350 Trim tag code, and a 325 hp tach. In the glove box was a Protecto plate no longer attached to a Warranty book that has the L78, 4 speed Codes. They didn't even know they had a Protecto plate until after I owned it and they looked through the glove box

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Charlie,

Do you have a copy of Crispino and Hoopers' Chevrolet Indy Pace Car Book, 1948-1990? Printed in 1992. Your car has its own chapter, #8. There is a mention of a special 360hp/350 motor, with a special A3-7N163613 service block installed for the race. Maybe they published the story incorrectly, and it should have been 325hp/396 motor. But then again, you confirmed the 4P on the cowl tag. Is there more sleuthing needed? They also published your cowl tag and VIN data. https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/laugh.gif

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Yes I have that book. They are mistaken about the smallblock. What they were supposed to say was that the Engineering work order called for a 325 hp 396 The book says the vin is 194500, it is really 194600. There is a work order # stamped on the block that says 98168 A. I have a Letter from Vince Piggins where he says that is the engineering build order # and he sent the sheets that are mentioned on page 23 of Hoopers book. The book points out that the rear plate # is 142. Al Young says that the 142 plate is something the track gave him later when he needed a rear plate and that it wasn't there from the start.

[Edited by Charley Lillard (12-08-2001 at 07:55 PM).]