December '01 feature car
 

OK - by now, y'all are use to my *beginner* Supercar questions ...... so bear with me ...... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif As I read the Bio, I gather that Pete's car is one of two TOTAL, or is it one of two delivered to Canada ?<p>Either way, that car is one BAD @$$ hombre' !! Looks great, and Pete's not afraid to run it either. That's what it was made for. https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...mlins/grin.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gifp>PS- Maybe Santa could bring one of those Hot Babe posters as a *stocking stuffer* ...... https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/imag...ns/naughty.gif

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Casey,

COPO Pete's car is one of two deliverd to Canada.

Mike

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Casey:

It's one of 2 delivered to Canada. It's essentially the same car as a Yenko Deuce, except it doesn't have the Yenko additions (stripes, emblems, decals, etc.).

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Continuation of the question .....

Does that mean that the rest of the US delivered COPO Nova's were converted to Deuce's ? (I think that's the way I intended to ask the question https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif )

Or were there also US delivered COPO Nova's that were left as just that ?????

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

All 1970 COPO Nova's in the US were delivered to Yenko and transformed into "the Deuce"!
They are rumours of some, but a documented car has never been found!
Peter

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Which plant produced this COPO?

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

I think all '70 COPO Novas were made at Willow Run, MI. Someone please confirm that.

Mike

[Edited by MikeA (12-03-2001 at 07:58 PM).]

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Nice car Pete.Is there any list of known dealers who may have sold a COPO Nova ? I posted a while ago during a High School Cars topic about a friend who had an Astro blue Nova SS Lt1 but I don't remember if it was a 70 or 71...it was sold out of Mancuso Chevrolet in Skokie Illinois.I can't get in touch with him anymore to verify.

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

The link on the feature car does not seem to be working. I am still getting last month's car. Was reading an old MCR last night and saw an article of this car. Certainly a sleeper.

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Charlie:

You need to refresh your browser. It may take refreshing several times, but the page has been updated.

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Willow Run is correct. Marlin will have a list of dealers that the '70 Yenko's could be ordered from.
Peter

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Me too. But when I go to past feature cars it is there. Awesome car Pete. Was it sold at Jack Douglas and you pulled the stripes off? (JUST KIDDING!!)>

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Rob, not sure why, but the link definitely does not work for me. I see Pete's COPO Nova on the home page, but the link to more info pulls up the Nov. feature information. Have refreshed bowser numerous times, but still getting the Nov. information.

[Edited by COPO (12-04-2001 at 07:28 AM).]

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Casey;
There has never been a documented LT1 COPO Nova found in the U.S. that was not a Yenko Deuce. I have chased several 'COPO' Novas, only to find out that they were lame attempts to duplicate Peter's car.

The two that went to Canada were actually from an initial order of 10 cars by Central (?, Pete). Apparently, GM of Canada has not uncovered an additional 8 cars on it's papework so Pete's car is one of two that went to Canada.

All Novas produced from '68 on were produced at Willow Run, Mich. inlcuding the COPO's. The COPO LT1 engines came from the Flint, Mich. assy plant not Tonawanda like some POP's are coded. The list of dealerships that received Yenko Deuce Novas is long, I will try to download my list but my new computer doesn't have a disc drive!
M

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

COPO/Yenko:

I just had one of those "DUH!" moments...the link below the picture (where it says December 2001) of Pete's Nova takes you to the November car, whereas the picture itself takes you to Pete's car. Sooo...time to fix a link... https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Pete, now I know why you guys like to stay where it is cold. I see that your car came with the optional full body heater! Neat car, just love that silver............RatPack........

Oh guys just click on the picture and the article will come up but it does not work on the link below it though.............

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Well Dave, I can see why you would be jealous for not having Douglas Yenko/COPO. There is a case to be made that 1 of the 22 or so Camaros he striped with Don Yenko's approval and authorization should be considered more rare than 1 of 198 that merely got shipped to PA. to have stripes applied. They were sold as Yenko Camaros to customere who believed they were buying Yenko Camaros from the authorized Yenko dealer for Chicagoland.
I know we have beat this subject before, but, don't throw stones, and, I won't have to stand up for my fellow Chicagolanders. Oh yeah, and my car. [That's a disclaimer]

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Link fixed guys. https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/smile.gif

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Yeah I'll second that sixtiesmuscle, not that I would have a vested interest or any such thing.

Douglass did state ,that he sold at least one 1969 Yenko 427 Nova. He was not certain if it was one that Yenko ordered or that he ordered direct.

Hopefully the "recently uncovered estate documents" will shed some light on this matter as well.

BTW ,Jack Douglass mentioned that Yenko Chevrolet had a traveling sales representative to promote the Yenko Cars.
Does anyone have info. regarding this individual?

Jack doesn't remember his name, but he does remember his beverage of choice. He drank Jack Danials and milk ,at lunch.

Another important piece of Douglass trivia is that all Douglass COPOs, even the ones without stripes were/are faster/quicker than Yenko Deuces. The exception of course would be a COPO LT1, without stripes ,which is much lighter and has less wind drag and thus much faster/Quicker.

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="">quote:</font><HR>BTW ,Jack Douglass mentioned that Yenko Chevrolet had a traveling sales representative to promote the Yenko Cars.
Does anyone have info. regarding this individual?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This would have been Jim Spencer, of Span, Inc.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="">quote:</font><HR>Douglass did state ,that he sold at least one 1969 Yenko 427 Nova. He was not certain if it was one that Yenko ordered or that he ordered direct.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Since the '69 Novas are believed to be transplant cars, then what did he mean by "ordered direct"?

I'm not even gonna TOUCH that last statement... https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/wink.gif

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Rob;
I would also assume that it would be James Spencer. James was reportedly from Chicago where his father owned a Packard dealership. Also, he was involved with the Span Inc. deal. James was the salesperson who wrecked a Cortez Silver Demo Deuce by nailing a bridge abuttment, flipping the thing over totalling it. It is still titled to Yenko Leasing. The word was that he had a stroke while driving, but other reports suggest a dui!

I'm not touching the last statement either!
M

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Darn it!! I already started pulling off the stripes to see if it would make a difference.
Do you think superglue will work to reinstall?? Jim

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

I don't know about Super Glue, but I do dab a bit of clear on each of the stripes edges to keep them in place.

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Very nice car Pete.

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Sixties muscle. I was not taking a stab at the Douglas cars. Fact is though, they will never be able to be documented. In fact, I bet more pop up that were not real to begin with. My opinion is that if they are not on the inventory list they are not "yenkos". Period. They do have a unique history nonetheless. But I would venture to guess that if a person had 80k to spend on a yenko camaro, the douglas name attached to it would not be enough. Rarer maybe, but more valuable, no.

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

HMMMM....what do we call a Yenko Chevelle from VV Cook Chevrolet

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Well "Yenko", if it wasn't a "stab", what was it? I'm glad it's only your opinion. Fortunately, we all have one. You know the rest of that story. Now, I suggest that somebody with $80,000 won't be buying a fresh, done right Yenko Camaro of ANY kind. In fact, anyone having one they will sell at that price, please email me ASAP! If one of the 198 Canonsburg cars is worth up to 100,000 in today's market, why wouldn't a comparable Douglas COPO, SOLD new as a Yenko Camaro, by the authorized Yenko Dealership for all of Chicagoland, be worth at least 80? Fresh, properly done COPOs are in the 75 range right now. The Douglas connection has to be worth something. It's up to the market to decide what.
I still maintain that if they were sold as Yenkos to the original owner, any subsequent owners are justified in presenting them as authentic Yenkos without people referring to them as "clones" or "fakes". Oh yeah, that's IMHO!

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

It wasn't an opinion it was a question.

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Please correct me if I am wrong. My best count says we have 6 1969 Douglass COPO Camaros and one 1969 COPO Chevelle accounted
for.
We know that two of the original paint Camaros had Yenko Stripes and the Chevelle still has original paint and stripes.
We have the best source of Documentation available, Jack Douglass himself.
Now we have "estate documents" which verify the number and his authorization to sell these Douglass COPOs as Yenkos.
Many of these COPOs stand on their own merits. They are low milage, unmolested and matching numbers COPOs. These COPOs will withstand anyones scrutiny.
I certainly would not state that these cars
are undocumented. Far from it ,in my opinion.
Douglass Yenko COPOs have not been fully tested in todays market. While some have known the info.,most of us are still learning.
The Douglass COPOs are some of the most highly optioned COPOs ever sold to the public.
This will be a strong factor influencing future prices and collectability.
When the COPOs themselves and the person who ordered and sold them are not satisfactory documentaion , then no car is documentable. Only its VIN number!
I would rather own a documentable COPO than a documentable VIN number. But, thats just me.

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Pete, first off, I hope YOU don't take offense to my first post. I was merely poking fun since your nova is the only unstriped COPO nova on the planet, and the debate about the Douglas cars had just taken place. Pete's car has got to be one of the most sought after supercars.

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

BTW Pete, awsome COPO. I am certain that you must have educated at least a few experts with your COPO!

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Just 'cause Pete and I are friends .....

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="">quote:</font><HR>Pete's car has got to be one of the most sought after supercars. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Might be slower than a W-31 ..... but ........ https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/laugh.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/laugh.gif https://www.yenko.net/ubb/smilies/images/icons/laugh.gif They were both delivered to Canada at least !!!

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

And before ANY of you guys bust my ballz for messin' with Pete ..... you must know that I have MORE than the utmost respect for his COPO Nova. There is not ONE car out there that is as BAD ASS as a 360 horse LT-1 car .... and I'll be the first to admit it !!!!

Plus - Pete is gonna bring me one of those cool posters for a Christmas gift !!

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

If you pull the stripes off a Deuce and put steel wheels with dogdish hubcaps do you have a "clone" of Pete's car?? Just trying to lighten things up a bit!!

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Casey is so right and when the Olds and Mopar guys say that you know its true as I have the utmost respect for that LT-1 Nova as I know they were screamers right from the Dealer! I ran a 69 SS 350 Nova one night with my old 340 Dart and I new I was in for a race and that was no LT-1 as I new I could be proud if I could get around him and even impress my girlfriend! Nice car "Pete" along with all the other bad machines you have!! Ron

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

I purchased a Yenko Deuce clone, not long ago. It had an M22 from a Corvette, a 4:10 or 4:11 posi rear from a 1697 Chevy Nova and a 350 built to LT1 specs.

Other than finding belts to stay on for the 7200 rpm speed shifts, the car was plain wicked. It launched, hooked better than most any "stock" car I have owned or driven.

While I never ran it at the track, I did line it up against my GT 500 KR.

The Shelby wasn't a match,it lost. The Nova did have headers and fair BF T/As plus much better gearing.

My car buddies and I all believed that mid 12 second 1/4 miles would be no problem.

It was one awsome package.

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Guys,Guys, Guys,,, the statement stands on its own. I am familiar with the CE engine Yenko Novas. If you recall some of my prior posts ,I purchased a CE short block that purportedly came out of a 1969 Yenko Nova.

There are people, to include current Chicago area Dealers which state they COPO ordered 427 Nova's from the factory.

(All these dealers were in Fred Gibb's Zone and knew him personally)

No, I have never seen one, but have chased many leads.

Remember, I wasn't there so I ask alot of questions and do even more listening.

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="">quote:</font><HR>Another important piece of Douglass trivia is that all Douglass COPOs, even the ones without stripes were/are faster/quicker than Yenko Deuces. The exception of course would be a COPO LT1, without stripes ,which is much lighter and has less wind drag and thus much faster/Quicker.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


How were they faster ? Was something else done to them that was different than a *Deuce*, besides stripes ?

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Casey,
My reply was,in jest.

Re: December feature car ...... COPO PETE's Nova
 

Casey:

WHEN you and Pete finally hook it up (I say "when" because you have to eventually cross paths!) I WANT TO BE THERE! Anytime, Anyplace! That will be one for the ages! [Man, I can't beleive a couple of small blocks have me fired up!]