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Welcome RowdyRat!!
How are the cars?
Marlin

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Hey Marlin!

Figured that since I visit this site as often as I do, I really should register (took me long enough, huh?). The cars are fine... Anxious to get things really moving with Doug's old car. How's that Yenko Deuce resto coming along?

Regards,

Stan

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Brian,

Thanks! Enjoyed it so far... Looking forward to more of the same. By the way, you know off hand where I can find an NOS bowtie grill emblem? The ones I had seemed to have disappeared...

Stan

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RR:
The deuce is coming along - slowly!! Hope to finish it over the winter.

Received some photos of it when it was in Kentucky, hope to see them in MuscleCar Review's - Decaying Muscle Car of the Month section!

Any idea as to how many COPO Camaros produced without the D80 option?
M

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Welcome aboard Rowdy Rat. I hope you enjoy the ride!
BKH

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Marlin,

Good to hear about the photos. Always nice to add another piece or two to document the history of a rare car. I can't wait to see your Deuce finished... It's going to be a real winner! Speaking of photos, Doug left a message on my answering machine last night and said he is going to see the photographer
that worked for the dragstrips where my car supposedly ran when it was new. Can't wait to call him tonight and see if he found anything.

Not sure on your D80 question... Something that I've wondered about myself. It seems to have been a popular option for 1969 and most of the cars that I've had the opportunity to observe have had the spoilers. Obviously, my car didn't and although I like them, I wouldn't even think about adding them. Do you have any idea as to the D80/non D80 split?

Regards,

Stan

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Hey Doug;
Tell me some more about this Yenko Deuce from Central. I know that at least 3 Yenko Novas went to Central, 2 to Cleveland and one to Hamilton, OH. Do you know what color this 'livery' car was? Were the stripes white or black? Two of these Three cars have been found, but the third one has not.
M

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He told me that he thought it was a lighter color, maybe Silver or Beige. Not sure about the stripes but I assume black.
BKH

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If the 'livery' car was a silver one, then it is possible that it is the Hamiliton, OH car which has been found and is currently restored in the Chicago area.

Marlin

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As Brian assumed this car definitely had a black stripe. The photo is an excellent black and white, the color is light, assumed to be silver or beige. Once I get this print tomorrow in full size, I'll be able to better see additional details.

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Marlin - have you found any mention or plans to build a 1971 Yenko Deuce? The reason I ask is because in the Yenko parts catolog they list the ' Yenko Styling Kits' for the 70-71 Deuce. White no. YS1-2016 and black no. YS1-2017

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Joe:

I believe the reference in the catalog is due to the fact that it was published in 1971,(?). I also believe Yenko was paving the way for future cars, but it never worked out. Remember the Byrne Bros. Chev. add for the '70 454 Yenko cars, and the Span Inc. add for the '73 427 Yenko Camaro, neither of these cars ever seemed to materialize. By the end of 1970, Yenko still had 3 LT1 Novas left on his lot alone, and several of the dealers in his network also had them unsold at year end. One reason may have been the colors, several Gobi Beige, (close to Butternut Yellow), Citrus Green, and Sunflower Yellow cars proved hard to sell and were the most common colors unsold at year end. (Two cars, one Beige and one Yellow were sold within the first few days of Jan. '71 however. Both are still with their original owners today.) So, I feel that his reference in the catalog for the '71's was just in case he chose to continue the program, but I don't feel he did.

At this time there are a few post '70 Yenko Clones running around, but no evidence suggests that there were any plans to continue the COPO LT1 program. Yenko was on to the Stinger Vegas!!

Marlin

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According to Car Craft there was another stillborn Yenko in the form of a 1971 400 cu.in. Camaro. There was an article in Car Craft Feb. 1971 titled "Yenko's Super Z 400 inch Camaro". Terry Cook wrote that Chevy had a running prototype of a Z/28 with a 400 Small block with 350/350 cam and LT1 intake and 800 Holley. The article states that Yenko was taking orders for the car.

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Another project that did not work out is the factory installed LS/7 COPO Yenko Super Super Sport's for 1970. I looked at the paperwork between Yenko and Chevrolet for this project in Canonsburg years ago. An intresting concept for sure. With the insurance company's catching onto the 427 car's, I doubt that this one would have sold well. The Yenko Duece made more sence at the time.
BKH

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Hi Marlin, I'm looking at a picture of that Duece and it's not Beige. It appears too dark to be silver,and I'm thinking this one is Citrus Green,is that a possibility?. The car is an automatic transmission car.Could this be one of the Central combinations?. What were they?

Doug

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Doug:
Good questions!!

According to my research, I feel confident that there were 3 a/t Citrus cars. None of the 3 a/t's cars went to Central, but one went to Marve Minneman and might have been dealer transferred, (?). This is not likely with Minneman, but is a possibility. The other a/t Citrus cars went to Missouri, and Virginia.

If the car in the photo is not Silver or Beige, it is possible that it is red or orange. Cranberry Red is one of the darker colors to consistently receive black stripes, (all red cars found so far have had black stripes). There were approx. 11 red a/t's, so it is possible that Central had some. It is unlikely that the car was orange, even though it too is a darker color that consistently received black stripes. There were only 2 Orange a/t's, one is confirmed gone, the other is from Syracuse, NY.

I would place my bet on the car in the photo being red. Can't wait to see it!!

Thanks for the info,
M

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Hi Marlin, I've recieved a second image of the Duece and red doesn't seem all that probable in my opinion. Silver is looking better but if it is the Hamilton car thats in Chicago, was that an automatic or four speed, you didn't say? What color and trans is the other car thats been found? What color & trans combination is the missing Central car? That should lock this one in. On a related note is another image I have of a Hurst Nova, it's in color and it's graphic image (white & gold) is identical to the Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Chryslers of the period. The car is a 70 396 automatic, SS hood and tail panel w/Hurst emblems @ Nova script on fenders and right corner of deck lid. I knew of Hursts involvment with the Yenko Duece and now wonder if there may be a connection because of it? First one Ive ever seen and the photo was shot at the drag strip here in 1970. Any knowledge on these Marlin? Doug

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In 1970 Hurst ran a contest to "name the new Hurst autostick shifter". The first place prize was a 1970 Nova SS 396 TH400 car with the new shifter installed. This may be the same car. Can you post the pictures?

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Doug:

That is good news that you got the second image, and another with the Hurst promo car.

The silver car from Central Chev. Hamilton, OH is a 4 speed car. I will check with the guy who found the car many years ago to see if any words were found on the door. This guy sold the car to a lady in Chicago who sent the car to non-reputable restoration shop, so it is unlikely that they took any photos during teardown.

The other Central Chev. car that has been found was from Cleveland, OH, and is a Fathom Blue 4 speed car with the dealer installed sport mirrors. This car is the ex-Otis Chandler car, is now in Montana, and is for sale at $45k.

The last Central Chev. car that I know of is also from Cleveland, OH, and is a Forest Green 4 speed car. This car has not been found to my knowledge.

I believe the Hurst shifter giveaway car was burgundy, with Hurst wheels, and a small block (??), but am not sure. I havn't seen one of those ad's for a while. I have never seen the gold and white Hurst Nova promo car, it sounds neat though. There was one Yenko Deuce that has more Hurst instructions than the others, but it is a Huggar Orange automatic that was sold out of Riley Chev, in Missouri and is confirmed junked after it was smashed, de-engined, and used as a dirt track car for a few years.

Marlin

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Marlin, no sport mirrors here on this one and I'll assume blue & green ones had white stripes thus making this the silver car with a trans changeover maybe. Theres a B&M racing transmission decal displayed on lower front fenders,an automatic class designation on the windshield and no traction bars for hi rpm hole shots. The Hurst Nova also has an automatic designation on window and displays a Hurst AUTO STICK decal that I don't recall. Doug
P.S. E-Mail me your new adress & phone numbers and we'll arrange getting this stuff out.

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Marlin,

Looking at the Hurst shifter ad now - 396/350, Turbo Hydramatic (would have to be a 400 behind the big block) and Cragar wheels with Goodyear tires. The ad is a retouched black and white format, but I'd guess you'd be close calling it red or burgandy.

As far as Doug's post goes, that pretty much rules out Central Chevrolet as a dealer for this automatic car. How about another dealer in that area? How about Minneman, Konners, or Hugh White? Any light color/black stripe automatic cars sold from those locations in your database?

Regards,

Stan

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Guess I couldn't have been more wrong on the Hurst Shifter ad!

Spoke to the prior owner of the Hamilton, OH silver Yenko Nova. He bought the car from Carl Dwiggins, and it still had it's original 4 speed and Hurst shifter with it. The owner does not recall any lettering anywhere on the car, so I guess that rules that car out.

I believe there are 53 automatic Yenko Novas from '70, of which ~~8 were silver; 4 without power steering and 4 with power steering. Of these 8 silver automatics, 2 have been found leaving 6 unknown. I do not know what dealerships these 6 cars went to, so I can't rule out that one of them did not go to Central Chev, or any other OH dealership. I can say that it was not one of the 2 existing cars, they were out of Grossman Chev. in Minneapolis, MN and Tamson Chev. in Danville, VA. So it is very possible that the car in the image photo is a Silver automatic from Central Chev, Cleveland, OH.

As for other OH dealers and their '70 Yenko Novas. I know of no '70 Yenko Novas sold from Hugh White Chev, but two were sold from Konners Chev. in Columbus, OH. One of these 2 cars has been found, and is in Orlando, FL. This car is Forest Green, and has a 4 speed. The other Konners car is Fathom Blue, is also a 4 speed, and to my knowledge has not been found. We can rule these two out.

Marve Minneman Chev, in Youngstown, OH sold 3 '70 Yenko Novas, 2 of which have been found. One of the two cars found is an automatic and does appear to have a race history. Does the car in the photo have a 'box' hood scoop? Is it possible that the image photo car is Sunflower Yellow? The other Marve car that is found is Huggar Orange, is a 4 speed and definitely is not the image car. The last Marve Yenko Nova was a Citrus Green automatic, and to my knowledge has not been found. This is the car I was referring to when I suggested that maybe Central got an automatic car as a dealer transfer from Marve Minneman.

The last dealer that I know sold a '70 Yenko Nova was Glockner Chev. in Portsmouth, OH. This is located down on the KY border, the car is found, is red, is a 4 speed and does not have a race history. We can rule this car out as well.

This concludes the summary of '70 Yenko Novas from OH dealerships!! Maybe when I get a chance to see the photos, we can determine what color it is.

Marlin

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Speaking of Hurst cars - there is a 1969 Daytona Yellow Yenko Camaro listed on the inventory sheets sold to Hurst by Spencer with the word "Demo" and it appears to have been picked up at the Yenko Dealership. Anyone have more info on this car?

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I believe that the Hurst Yenko Camaro had the automatic shifter installed by Hurst for some unknown reason. I was told that it may have been used as a photo shoot for shifter installation for Car Craft mag. I have never seen this story though. I also believe that this is the car that Doug spoke about that is still in the hands of its original owner in Erie Pa. The car has been a drag car its entire life. Doug has 69/70 era photos of this car that have just been found.
BKH

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Hi Marlin, as Stan mentioned I did view contact sheets (books filled with negative sized prints in weekly chronological order)from 1969 thru 1972. Although no pictures of the PROUT trout were found, many nonspoiler copo's and spoiler cars alike in many colors grace the pages of his books. Also of particular interest were a couple of Yenko cars, a Daytona Yellow car that makes a transition from stocker to pro-stocker during the period and one absolutely awesome Yenko Duece shot taken in 70 with Central Chevrolets livery painted on the sides. A good number of Dick Harrell pics including an unseen 69 Harrell Camaro with Kellsey Hayes Strippers. I'm having some copies made for you and a few others.

Doug

[Edited by CopoDoug (09-10-2000 at 01:34 AM).]

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Beautiful shots of the Nova's. I think that the Deuce shot has the Central badging on the left side of the trunk lid. Any ideas on that badge? That might be an Orange or Red car.
BKH

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Thanks for the great pics Doug. The Hurst Nova paint scheme looks like the other Hurst cars from 68/69/70. The Deuce Nova color looks like Daytona Yellow or Hugger Orange but it is difficult to tell. Maybe you can compare the contrast to that big Chevrolet decal on the car that normally was a dark blue.
Marlin - What month was the first Yenko Deuce Nova built? Was it before the 1970 Camaro Z/28 or the 1970 LT1 Corvette? If it was that would make it the first use of the LT1 engine in a production car. Just a trivia question.

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Doug,

Great photos - thanks for taking the time to post them to the board! Can't wait to see the rest of them!

Joe,

We'll have to wait for Marlin's reply on the LT-1 Nova production dates, but I can tell you that LT-1 Corvettes were being built right from the start of 1970 Corvette production (which began January 5, 1970). I believe Camaro/Firbird production began in late January/early February 1970 and I would imagine that LT-1 powered Z-28s were available right from the start too.

Regards,

Stan

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Dougie-Fresh!!!
Absolutely Awesome photos!!!!!!!!

I will have to study the photo for a bit longer to try to determine the color. Does it have a cowl induction hood or a hood scoop with integrated tach? The hood looks black in the photo.

All the '70 Yenko Novas were made in three weeks, 05D, 06A and 06B.

Love the photos!!!!!
M

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It looks like a Charles Gilchrist photo, which he still has all his negatives and shots can be purchased, he has a lot of neat stuff shot at Thompson, Dragway 42, some Quaker City. He had shots of my Biscayne and Chevelle when they were raced, and of our old altered too, great stuff.

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Stan, your right the car has shed it's front bumper to lose a few pounds. Did you see the Bass info I got for you on the other thread?Doug

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I also noticed that the car does not have it's rear sway bar setup installed anymore, but I don't see any traction bars.
M

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M,
Is it possible that the automatic was installed in a former stick car to get in a different class? Just a thought.
BKH

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Doug,

Doesn't look like that Deuce is running a front bumper in that photo either... What's the front shot show?

Regards,

Stan

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It looks like those shots are taken at two different times. I appears that it has different decal placement in each shot. Very cool pic's
BKH

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Doug,
The pic's in my box will not open, I am itching to see the Yenko Camaro racer. Any chance of it showing up here?
BKH

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BK:
It is very possible that the 4hitter was tossed in favor of the a/t, the car will leave a lot better with the a/t. The stick cars can't get out of the hole with frying the tires or bogging - the cam centerline is too high causing a major lack of bottom end.

I have contacted the owner of the silver Central car in Chicago, he will look at the photos and try to determine if it is his car.

Doug:
Excellent second photo!! The decals are different on the lower front section of the quarter, so like Brian says it must be a different time. Very cool!!
M

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Would also like to mention that E.T.on windshield is 12.00 on picture #1, and both show car running in B/SA.
Doug

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COPO Doug you rule!!! Excellent work...Any idea about Cordia Chevrolet?
BKH

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I believe you are right Doug. On the inventory sheet under the words " Hurst-Detroit" it appears to have the word "Cordia". Where is/was Cordia Chevrolet?
There were two other Yenko Camaro race cars. The ED Hedrick car and the Lawerence car. All 3 were Daytona Yellow.