The Supercar Registry

The Supercar Registry (https://www.yenko.net/forum/index.php)
-   Supercar/Musclecar Discussion (https://www.yenko.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=79)
-   -   ZL-1 Engine Block Uncovered (https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=176515)

Devil 08-29-2023 09:35 PM

ZL-1 Engine Block Uncovered
 
So I was at my friends place checking out his collection of rusty Chevrolet Performance cars, when he asked if I had ever seen his aluminum big block. I mentioned I had not, so it rolled it out from the corner. It is definitely cool, so I took some pictures of it and documented the numbers. Checking the numbers out today, it comes out as a 1969 ZL-1 engine Winters block. That was unexpected to say the least.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ff0d4e08_c.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...762b89bb_o.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...abd70b05_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...326736a1_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...fcf926b6_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...676f3fee_b.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...404d97ae_b.jpg

Bill Pritchard 08-29-2023 09:48 PM

Painted blue to try and disguise as a Ford engine? :haha:

Did it have a production date and application code stamped on the passenger side front pad?

1971ls6 08-29-2023 10:52 PM

If the stamp is is one of the missing 69 engines, now you are talkin big money.

Is it for sale?

William 08-30-2023 12:32 AM

Based on the casting date location, that's one of the blocks re-issued in the late '80s.

Missing sleeves.

thehornworks 08-30-2023 01:25 AM

Wasn't the block under cut at the top for the sleeves to recess down.

EZ Nova 08-30-2023 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thehornworks (Post 1630770)
Wasn't the block under cut at the top for the sleeves to recess down.

YES, either counterbored for sleeve, or has a darker "sleeve" installed. I wonder if this is a "can-am" block with the treated cylinder wall to run with just the alum as a "sleeve".

My 1969 "052" ZL-1 block was painted orange when I got it as it was used in a dirt modified as a "cheater". It came out of northern Ohio around 2010.

big gear head 08-30-2023 11:57 AM

You can see the step at the bottom of the bores for the sleeves to sit on. I don't believe there is enough material between the cylinders to run it as it is.

Carleen 08-30-2023 12:36 PM

The only sleeves I have found that fit the 430 Can Am Block are the Darton sleeves 32160111.
And I have been waiting for them for over 2 years

EZ Nova 08-30-2023 12:45 PM

1 Attachment(s)
My block as is when I bought it:

EZ Nova 08-30-2023 12:49 PM

1 Attachment(s)
After "repairs" and set up for .904 Jesel solid roller lifters:

EZ Nova 08-30-2023 12:50 PM

Curious, what is the meaning or decoding of the 06017 in the last picture?

John Brown 08-30-2023 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by big gear head (Post 1630791)
You can see the step at the bottom of the bores for the sleeves to sit on. I don't believe there is enough material between the cylinders to run it as it is.

Cylinder wall is almost thin enough to read through it.

black69 08-30-2023 04:02 PM

Look for potential Yenko stamping info in the timing cover area. It was still winters cast block with GM molds, but Yenko managed it. Its kinda cool if you find that, I had one. Wish I never sold the dam thing, I liked the Yenko aspect.

EZ Nova 08-30-2023 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Brown (Post 1630803)
Cylinder wall is almost thin enough to read through it.

That's gotta be one of the 4.440 bored blocks

Carleen 08-30-2023 09:30 PM

The block has a different bolt pattern for the Heads
Dosent look like the Chevy Big Block Heads pattern that I have

thehornworks 08-30-2023 10:22 PM

I have a set of sleeves if anyone needs.

William 08-30-2023 10:53 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carleen (Post 1630840)
The block has a different bolt pattern for the Heads
Dosent look like the Chevy Big Block Heads pattern that I have

Definitely made some changes.

69 Post Sedan 08-31-2023 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EZ Nova (Post 1630797)
Curious, what is the meaning or decoding of the 06017 in the last picture?

…….possibly June 1st 1987…..? Just a guess but those casting stamps are the same as later built parts…..from my experience.

Kurt

Lee Stewart 08-31-2023 12:29 AM

https://images2.imgbox.com/03/34/GjxLTm0Q_o.jpg

Chevy 430 CI Can Am aluminum block (68 - 72)

black69 08-31-2023 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 69 Post Sedan (Post 1630854)
…….possibly June 1st 1987…..? Just a guess but those casting stamps are the same as later built parts…..from my experience.

Kurt

The one block I had that had the outside look like a stock block, but yenko stamp in timing cover area was a 74 I think. I would maybe venture this block was more like a 70s vintage block, hard to believe they would still make these in the late 80s? Which now begs the question, who owns the GM molds now? Joe parts has the molds to the cross-rams for the 302 as one example of a GM mold destination, but where are the GM molds to the ZL-1 yenko had.

Devil 08-31-2023 10:33 PM

Next time I get out to the block I'll flip it around and see about by the water pump area and timing cover.

Igosplut 09-01-2023 09:24 PM

I don't recall seeing any Yenko blocks with screw-in style freeze plugs. Mine has regular plugs. I could be wrong. That block is also missing the extra headbolts. If they were machined off, I wonder why.

Carleen 09-02-2023 01:31 PM

06017 is probably not Casting Date.
Ive seen it on other Blocks.
There was one for sale on the Corvette Forum
Casting date 030169
Tall deck
That may explain why the Block here does not have a cutouts for Sleeve flanges.
It has been decked down to short deck?

Ford Blue? Have they try to run it with Ford Heads
These cheating Ford owners

Carleen 09-02-2023 01:41 PM

9 Attachment(s)
Tall deck Can Am 4.440 Bore Corvette Forum

SuperNovaSS 09-02-2023 07:29 PM

1 Attachment(s)
I was told these were Yenko markings on a block I have here. Does it have stampings like these?



Jason

Carleen 09-04-2023 04:15 PM

5 Attachment(s)
Siamese block that have SY Stampings and no Sleeves.

Carleen 09-04-2023 04:24 PM

5 Attachment(s)
Press in frost plug

Igosplut 09-06-2023 03:26 PM

Does that block have the upside-down "LC" in the snowflake? Looks like it

black69 09-08-2023 04:42 AM

I just checked the old ad I had here for my engine, and the person you want to look up is named Mark Gillepsie for decoding of those letters (he has a book for that). I think he is in Indiana. He was the jedi master of info on Yenko ZL-1 blocks. The letters decode to an engine number. All letters like yours.

I could be wrong, but 90% sure I am right. Good luck.

-bob

EZ Nova 09-08-2023 11:45 AM

So no one knows what

06017

means on these blocks?

Also it's strange for the Yenko blocks, they stamp SY and not YS then 2 other letters that could be someone's initials?

black69 09-08-2023 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EZ Nova (Post 1631474)
So no one knows what

06017

means on these blocks?

Also it's strange for the Yenko blocks, they stamp SY and not YS then 2 other letters that could be someone's initials?

Read my post above, the SY is what it is for a yenko I believe, and the other letters decode to an actual engine number that could be tracked. From the letters on mine, this person I mention above has a book that tracks those blocks that were made. I think he worked at Yenko back in the day. In any case if the owner of the block gets in contact with that person, I am sure we can get an update on how its decoded. I pretty much forgot what I knew as I sold my block a long time ago, but put a ton of time into finding out what I had.

William 09-08-2023 02:57 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Ruh-roh...

Lee Stewart 09-09-2023 03:54 AM

https://images2.imgbox.com/cb/89/LYwtsAIh_o.jpg

So when did Yenko either start or stop having their name cast into the block as shown above?

Carleen 09-09-2023 10:44 AM

4 Attachment(s)
This is said to be a 69 Block from HBC

EZ Nova 09-09-2023 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart (Post 1631524)
https://images2.imgbox.com/cb/89/LYwtsAIh_o.jpg

So when did Yenko either start or stop having their name cast into the block as shown above?


Lee, I thought I read that Yenko started doing that in 72 or 74. Something about they aquired the tooling and did the block but add the YENKO where the Winter's crest was. I think they also cast blocks with a Yenko shield like the cars Yenko shield emblem.

black69 09-09-2023 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EZ Nova (Post 1631538)
Lee, I thought I read that Yenko started doing that in 72 or 74. Something about they aquired the tooling and did the block but add the YENKO where the Winter's crest was. I think they also cast blocks with a Yenko shield like the cars Yenko shield emblem.

Mine looked to have the winters snowflake ground off. It did not look like they ground down an area as large as the yenko letters. So I think the 74 block I had looked like the one with the unfortunate crack.

I wonder if these blocks have a curse. Mine, after I sold it, the guy calls me years later and says it developed a leak, and wondered if I knew about it. I said well, you spent a lot of time inspecting it, I said I got it like it is, all freshly rebuilt by someone else with the best stuff, and it is what it is. I am glad I sold it as it obviously did not hold up.

RobR 09-09-2023 05:22 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Aluminum Yenko BBC From the mid 80s, for reference.

Lee Stewart 09-09-2023 06:12 PM

https://images2.imgbox.com/bc/84/IafMeS5o_o.jpg

Pro Stock John 09-12-2023 06:27 PM

I'm curious if the car that HBC is selling has one of the 69 ZL1 engines or it's one of the OTC ones?


All times are GMT. The time now is 07:38 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.


O Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.