Pf25 wiw
 

A friend has this PF25 oil filter, WIW? Is this like the one that sold on EBay for 1,500 bucks recently?

Have a photo of the bottom? That will help.

I don't have a photo but it is smooth and doesn't have the letters like the one on EBay.

That's the $1500 difference.

^ agreed.

That’s what I thought. Was the embossed an assembly line filter. Still yet, what’s my friends new filter worth?

In judging terms, I would call it "easily detectable".

Without sounding rude, probably about $20-25 so someone can have a filter that appears as an assembly line version.

For reference, here's an NOS version similar to yours that hasn't been painted.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/40323964888...EAAOSwD5FhbAW3

Surely you don't get dinged in judging for a filter that isn't embossed.

Most car guys changed oil and filter at 500 miles. Expecting a car to have an assembly line only filter is just silly. What's next? Have to prove it has the original oil in it? Have to have original 1969 air in the tires?

I get that there are a few 100 to 1500 mile cars out there, and if someone wants to preserve one of those, that's fine.

In some judgings you don't get dinged, but I believe there are bonus points available for certain wear and assembly line only items like this. So now instead of 5000 points for a "perfect" car, you can get 5000+ points. So, in a way you get dinged I suppose. Another example is assembly line AC spark plugs only had a single, thin green ring where replacements had 4 thin rings. I call these "lunchbox" parts as the only way to get them was when they went out the assembly plants door in somebody's lunchbox. Legends judges correct me if I am wrong here.
http://www.1970z28camaro.com/engine/0142.jpg

I cannot speak for 1st Gen Legends, but for 2nd Gen Camaros in the Legends class, no points deductions for non-embossed filters. The Legends judging criteria is constantly evolving, as it should, and I can see where correct appearing filters, less embossing, will be the standard.

In addition to the lack of embossing on the bottom of the filter, the rim seal is painted and wasn't on originals and the alignment and spacing of the lettering isn't true to the originals either.

PS - for Camaro 1st Gen Legends judging there are bonus points available for an embossed PF filter. Martin M whose 69 L-89 SS was Legends judged last week received bonus points for an embossed, PF-25 black & white lettered filter that I stenciled for him.

They must of started that later on never said that when i went through i had a nos one that was not embossed