69 Norwood VIN stampings
 

Hello everyone!
I'm new to this page and i'm trying to verify a Camaro built at the Norwood plant on or around the 4th week of March and I could use some help. I'm not at liberty to give specifics right now, but if I could see some photos of VIN and front pad stampings on blocks from that time frame it would be a big help. It doesn't matter what type of engine. If ya'll would PM them or post them on this thread it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! This is a great site!

Seriously?

yes. seriously

Post a pic of the engine pad stamping in question and lets see if we can verify it.

I can't do that right now. It's complicated. I know this sounds somewhat "fishy" but I can't explain at this time. If I can find what i'm looking for I will post it later. This isn't some sort of prank or scam. I honestly just need some examples of Norwood VIN numbers from the 4th week of March, 1969. That's it.
you may also call me at 785-639-1478
thank you

I can't do that right now. It's complicated. I know this sounds somewhat "fishy" but I can't explain at this time. If I can find what i'm looking for I will post it later. This isn't some sort of prank or scam. I honestly just need some examples of Norwood VIN numbers from the 4th week of March, 1969. That's it.
you may also call or text me at 785-639-1478
thank you

If you search through prior postings, you will see loads of 1969 Norwood stampings. Takes a bit of effort on your part.

You're new so I don't expect you to know this, but There have been a lot of 69 Norwood VIN posted here over the years. I'm sure you could find quite a few examples here if you did a search of this page. Welcome to the site!

By mid March I would think the vin is no longer in the area that you have requested...Joe

Thank you. When I went to use the "search" feature, the little window would appear below but if I tried to type it would disappear. I guess just not enough effort on my part. :haha: I'll try to "put my back into it" more next time:beers:

COPO I searched for two hours. I did find one photo but it wasn't what I was looking for Do you have any suggestions?

X66 714/Joe, I am looking for photos of VIN stampings. Thanks

You're going to need to give this group a little insite of what you're trying to do if you want some real help. From what I'm reading, it looks like you're trying to do a forgery...Joe

March VIN stamps are on the rough cast area on the bell housing flange of the block down by the starter. You will not likely find ANY clear pics of a VIN, unless it is a fake. They were not stamped very deep, and are normally NOT legible, except maybe two or three characters.

IMHO, they do not vary much from one month to another. Almost all are crappy. If you see one that is perfectly legible, there is a good chance, it is a fake. I have a few examples, but nothing from March that I am aware of. Pretty much all similar after Dec. 1968. All difficult, if not impossible to read.

Check this page out: http://www.camaros.org/drivetrain.shtml#PartialVINs

"In the 1969 model year, the partial VIN for V8 engines was stamped in either of two locations: on the engine pad or near the oil filter. The alternator was moved to the passenger side in 1969 which covered the engine stamp pad and caused the VIN stamp to be relocated by the oil filter. The block in this area is raw unmachined casting which makes this stamp difficult to see. Generally, the Norwood plant stamped the VIN on the engine pad on early cars and moved the stamp by the oil filter in the December 68 time frame (there are a few known exceptions). Los Angeles was not as consistent and the VIN stamp location varied during the year."

I'm not trying to do a forgery. In fact, I'm trying to prove this one is not a forgery. The reason I can't post it is because the car belongs to a client and I don't want to go posting about his car on the web. I am familiar with the location and am aware that they are difficult to read. Thanks for your time

Send me a picture at [email protected]. I'll get an answer for you without posting it to the web....Joe

72Nova
If you're new to this page,why are you using Jeremy Clarks' phone number? :hmmm:
https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=167098

Are you replying to yourself?
https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=167098

My Z is that time frame and the VIN will be by the oil filter. You should be able to find some good stampings here or the camaros.org site

Where's that popcorn emoji when you need it?

72Nova or Jeremy,

Are either of you going to respond?


Jason

Silence speaks volumes.

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthre...=167013&page=3

March rear axle in that thread. And looking for March engine stampings. Not saying one has anything to do with the other. Could just be a coincidence.

"72nova" is a coworker of mine. We don't work Fridays, Saturdays or Sundays -hence the "silence". I had asked him to join this site and instructed him to politely ask for examples of partial VINs from 03D Norwood blocks. I've only ever posted about one car on here and if I were to suddenly start asking about partial VINs on March Norwood blocks, it would be pretty obvious to anyone who could put two and two together why I was asking. I feel It would be unethical -that I would be doing the car and it's owner a disservice- to cause it's authenticity to come under scrutiny in a public venue such as this. But alas, the car's owner doesn't care what anyone thinks -so here goes...The reason I am looking for examples on partial VINs is because the partial VIN on the block has come into question. The font style of the stamping isn't "known" to certain people in the community. There seems to be a lot of people in this hobby that seem to think that they "know" everything no matter how obvious it is that they don't. The font style IS however, "known" to the man who was hired to authenticate this car and it has been "known" to him for many years. I will not mention his name out of respect for his privacy and because I don't wish to bring him into this shit-show. I will say only that he is extremely knowledgeable and his reputation is impeccable. So far we have at least 4 examples of this VIN stamping font from cars assembled in the same time frame. Contrary to what was so rudely suggested, I searched this site for almost 3 hours and was only able to come up with one example. I didn't feel that I could ask straight out what I was looking for, but had hoped that the members of this site would be kind enough to help a guy out.
If I were going to "do a forgery" I wouldn't be on here asking for info on how to go about it. I'd have done it in a "known" font and it would be done "textbook" for everyone who parrots and regurgitates the "known" to eat up. This car was wrecked in '77 and has sat untouched ever since. It's entire history is known. All of the previous owners are still around. The disassembly process was well documented...literally thousands of photos and plenty of witnesses. I'm not "forging" anything. The car is legit, it's "born with" engine is legit and it will be proven so.

Thank you to those of you who were helpful.

You had 3 days to think of an excuse,and this is what you come up with?
BTW~You sure like to use quotation marks 72Nova,I mean jeremy. :D

I didn't need 3 days. I didn't have to respond at all. No excuse. Everything I said is 100 percent true. Yes, I use quotation marks when appropriate.

If you and the owner are convinced the stamp real I wouldn't worry about what anyone else thinks. But if you want a second opinion, there are a few guys on this site that know as much or more about 69 Camaro's than the so called experts. I'm not one of them but the knowledge of the members on this site is absolutely incredible.

Mr. Clark consulted with me about the issues present well before he posted here, and as you all know I have the Norwood VIN stamping tools and stamps under lock and key.

He is simply looking for information to explain a production anomaly which really is not an anomaly at all If you understand the Norwood assembly process and how the tool room functioned the interface with the transmission feeder conveyor and the motor line all on a day to day basis.

How about we all take a deep breath and put the hobby politics away for a while and try to learn something new?

Thank you. I apologize if the way I went about seeking the information came off as disingenuous. I was just trying to protect the client's interests.

Something new?
Is 3955270 is a "known" COPO casting number? Discuss....:)

If the whole car has been untouched since 1977, the stamping would be true.

Just post the darn picture of the stamp with a couple of the digits blacked out. Also the assembly stamp. Geesh!!!

Guess I might as well at this point
https://photos.app.goo.gl/weRnfhPQeB4bWbii7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/5sGdpTn89JXW2cjf7
https://photos.app.goo.gl/xvLEXwRLixW967L79
https://photos.app.goo.gl/D7ZB3yK9nuZTn8yi9

This is the best I can make out of the block VIN...Joe

Thanks, Joe. Those were the only pics I had on my phone. I'll try to post up some of the pics from the computer when I get back to work.

I think what you're doing for that car is wonderful. Sure would like you to take us on your jouney of progress...Joe

Bergy,

The last time I posted a pencil tracing of a portion of valid stamping publicly here the administrator came in to the thread and promptly deleted it.

sorry it took so long guys. i'm horrible with computers.

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Thanks. I'll let the experts chime in, but looks pretty good from here. My FG COPO had a POP with T0123MN assembly date. Same characters :-)

Block casting number is ‘270?

Yes. Block was cast Sept 4, 1968 and was assembled Jan 22, 1969. Car is an 03D date.
WorkinProgress says he has an MN coded 270 block that was cast and assembled on the same dates as this one and was installed in an 04B car.
I have heard of at least one -possibly two other MN 270 blocks from other members of this site. I'm waiting to hear details...the one guy thought his was in an 05A car that he doesn't own anymore. That's all I know right now.