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Nova Pete 12-02-2020 08:51 PM

1969 COPO Nova?
 
Says fisher body sheet says it’s a COPO
I do not believe this to be true. Can someone correct me if I’m wrong?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevro...b2fa%7Ciid%3A1

Dave Rifkin 12-02-2020 09:27 PM

I'm not a Nova expert but, if I were to spend that kind of money on a car I would want the body panels, grille and bumpers to line up waaaaay better than what I see on this car.
I can't speak to the COPO claim but, I am sure the more knowledgeable folks on this site will enlighten us.

BlackL78M22Nova 12-02-2020 09:36 PM

I believe that "Smoky" might be confused on the meaning of CRD on the Fisher card.

Nova Pete 12-02-2020 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackL78M22Nova (Post 1525190)
I believe that "Smoky" might be confused on the meaning of CRD on the Fisher card.

Highly possible.
$80,000? Yikes

DW31S 12-02-2020 09:39 PM

I stopped looking when I saw the brake booster.

BlackL78M22Nova 12-02-2020 09:40 PM

Body color paint underneath was also on the wish list

Rumbleguts396 12-02-2020 10:40 PM

I think Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles did the panel alignment on this car. Ouch !!!

WILMASBOYL78 12-03-2020 12:35 AM

69 Nova...
 
Nice tattoo's...:cool2:

As for the car...well :smirk:

JRSully 12-03-2020 01:20 AM

"run Forest, run..."

Nova Pete 12-03-2020 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WILMASBOYL78 (Post 1525230)
Nice tattoo's...:cool2:

As for the car...well :smirk:

So I guess the $80,000 is a bit steep.. 😂

EZ Nova 12-03-2020 11:41 AM

Too bad this car went this route buy the owner? Nice color combo that you don't see often.I have seen MUCH NICE L78 Nova's in the for sale section here over the last couple years.

I could overlook the brake booster and painted intake/bypass hose. BUT the panel fit and gaps are SO far out, the guys on the international space station commented on them....

EZ Nova 12-03-2020 11:49 AM

Check out these and compare:

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthre...highlight=nova

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthre...highlight=nova

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthre...highlight=nova

I don't think the NOVA market increased in value to the point this car you posted is worth anywhere near that dollar value. I think it's and ok buy in the 40K range? 50K and above is over priced in my book, even though other my have different thoughts.

Nova Pete 12-03-2020 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EZ Nova (Post 1525281)
Check out these and compare:

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthre...highlight=nova

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthre...highlight=nova

https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthre...highlight=nova

I don't think the NOVA market increased in value to the point this car you posted is worth anywhere near that dollar value. I think it's and ok buy in the 40K range? 50K and above is over priced in my book, even though other my have different thoughts.

Those L78’s are beautiful. The first one is fathom green same as my car.
Yes I agree $50,000 is the peak for a car like that. How much did the ones you posted sell for?

Someday I’ll own one.

WILMASBOYL78 12-03-2020 01:07 PM

69 Nova...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nova Pete (Post 1525283)
Those L78’s are beautiful. The first one is fathom green same as my car.
Yes I agree $50,000 is the peak for a car like that. How much did the ones you posted sell for?

Someday I’ll own one.

There have been a number of nice big block Novas offered in recent years...I should know :cool2: This car could be a lot nicer, but it would take some work and a lot of little fixes to make it correct. What always surprises me about these cars is the lack of knowledge shown by the people who did the work. There are so many great resources on how to do this correctly...can't understand why they don't do their homework :confused2:

As for pricing, well documented and correctly restored cars will always command a premium, especially if the driveline is original. Of course, survivors are the rage, and they will bring top dollar too, if all the boxes are checked off.

-wilma

John 12-03-2020 01:36 PM

...

... Maybe he has it confused with a 1968 396/375 Nova ???

... :dunno:

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WILMASBOYL78 12-03-2020 02:09 PM

69 Nova...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John (Post 1525296)
...

... Maybe he has it confused with a 1968 396/375 Nova ???

... :dunno:

...

More likely he is just confused :grin:

m22mike 12-03-2020 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DW31S (Post 1525192)
I stopped looking when I saw the brake booster.


Yea, I got that



So does this mean the front engine hook was installed after the engine was painted......:haha:...I am sorry had to do it :grin:

68camaroz28 12-03-2020 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WILMASBOYL78 (Post 1525289)
There have been a number of nice big block Novas offered in recent years...I should know :cool2: This car could be a lot nicer, but it would take some work and a lot of little fixes to make it correct. What always surprises me about these cars is the lack of knowledge shown by the people who did the work. There are so many great resources on how to do this correctly...can't understand why they don't do their homework :confused2:

As for pricing, well documented and correctly restored cars will always command a premium, especially if the driveline is original. Of course, survivors are the rage, and they will bring top dollar too, if all the boxes are checked off.

-wilma

X2, hard to believe so many simple things were done completely wrong! Might be appealing to their eye but takes away from anything positive. And my eyes did nothing but just look at the amount of overspray on the intake and lift hooks in the engine department. Car could be so much better presented. Gee if that car sells for 80K ours has to be north of 100K LOL

olredalert 12-03-2020 03:21 PM

----Not only the bypass hose paint but way, way too much orange on the intake......Bill S

Nova Pete 12-03-2020 03:36 PM

You guys are top notch. I love the fine detail being brought out. I also said WTF when I saw the bypass hose and the over spray on the intake. Now the engine hook. And yes the alignments of panels is just awful.
Can’t say I’m a fan of the color tho. Not something I would choose

Nova Pete 12-03-2020 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WILMASBOYL78 (Post 1525289)
There have been a number of nice big block Novas offered in recent years...I should know :cool2: This car could be a lot nicer, but it would take some work and a lot of little fixes to make it correct. What always surprises me about these cars is the lack of knowledge shown by the people who did the work. There are so many great resources on how to do this correctly...can't understand why they don't do their homework :confused2:

As for pricing, well documented and correctly restored cars will always command a premium, especially if the driveline is original. Of course, survivors are the rage, and they will bring top dollar too, if all the boxes are checked off.

-wilma

Tom,
Your L-78 is spectacular. Broadcast sheets too? Incredible!

We talked on the phone a couple years ago

m22mike 12-03-2020 03:48 PM

Bill
That was my jab on the paint when posting the photo. Lots wrong with this car.


Mike

WILMASBOYL78 12-03-2020 03:51 PM

69 Nova...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by m22mike (Post 1525303)
Yea, I got that



So does this mean the front engine hook was installed after the engine was painted......:haha:...I am sorry had to do it :grin:

How about those french locks on the exhaust manifolds...must have been a mid-year option :cool2:

olredalert 12-03-2020 03:54 PM

----Did not notice the french locks. Good catch, Tom! Shouldn't this 69 have a smog set-up?.......Bill S

WILMASBOYL78 12-03-2020 04:35 PM

69 Nova...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by olredalert (Post 1525318)
----Did not notice the french locks. Good catch, Tom! Shouldn't this 69 have a smog set-up?.......Bill S

Yes...all the 69 4 spd cars had smog.

Exterior; headlite bezels are incorrect, there should be black paint between the rocker moldings, also missing the pinstripe that goes with that trim package, no trim rings on SS wheels, looks like chrome edge is absent from fender louvers...not sure why they left all the pieces of labels on the tires ???

Interior; door panels are re-pop [no Nova emblem], Muncie shifter should have a black knob, not sure what's up with the spare...looks like a used radial on steel wheel not in the right position.

Engine bay; The radiator support rubber flap has 70 style buttons...should be the T-clip version, negative cable mounts to the engine, hood hinges are incorrectly painted black, dip stick should not be painted, lots of little hardware issues.

underside; the completely painted bottom is not correct, orange oil filter???, and the list goes on.

Could be a nice car with some major cleanup of the problems seen and others we haven't noticed yet.

Kurt S 12-03-2020 05:38 PM

I still would like to see the Fisher sheet that says this is a COPO. I'm a doubter...

RALLY 12-03-2020 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 68camaroz28 (Post 1525310)
X2, hard to believe so many simple things were done completely wrong! Might be appealing to their eye but takes away from anything positive. And my eyes did nothing but just look at the amount of overspray on the intake and lift hooks in the engine department. Car could be so much better presented. Gee if that car sells for 80K ours has to be north of 100K LOL

Agree detailing is not real good. Overspray shouldnt be there. Painting the engine correctly on the engine stand and then bolt on intake afterwards. That catches your eye right away when you pop the hood and the engine lift brackets should of been sprayed too. Price is way to much for this Nova.

PeteLeathersac 12-03-2020 06:26 PM

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I don't expect this subject car is anything special but as discussed in past threads, a Copo Nova could exist, not a 427 car but a Copo # 9511 w/ 4:56 or 4:88 factory rear which was required for '69 Chevrolets w/ rear axles over 4:11.
A few 9511 Camaros are known also I think Chevelle or two but the '69 Novas more elusive and one an sYc Member reported having back in one of the old threads seemed the closest X-car possibility up to then.
I'm a work so can't dig for the old threads but was it you Tom w/ the example you let go of that seemed possible also was it a factory 4:56/4:88 car or?:hmmm:
Again, I don't expect the subject car is anything special but would still love to see a real '69 Copo 9511 X-Body if anyone knows of any.
:beers:
~ Pete

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WILMASBOYL78 12-03-2020 06:59 PM

69 Nova...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteLeathersac (Post 1525336)
'

I don't expect this subject car is anything special but as discussed in past threads, a Copo Nova could exist, not a 427 car but a Copo # 9511 w/ 4:56 or 4:88 factory rear which was required for '69 Chevrolets w/ rear axles over 4:11.
A few 9511 Camaros are known also I think Chevelle or two but the '69 Novas more elusive and one an sYc Member reported having back in one of the old threads seemed the closest X-car possibility up to then.
I'm a work so can't dig for the old threads but was it you Tom w/ the example you let go of that seemed possible also was it a factory 4:56/4:88 car or?:hmmm:
Again, I don't expect the subject car is anything special but would still love to see a real '69 Copo 9511 X-Body if anyone knows of any.
:beers:
~ Pete

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Sully had a 69 L78 Nova with the stiff gears...maybe he will chime in.

olredalert 12-03-2020 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RALLY (Post 1525332)
Agree detailing is not real good. Overspray shouldnt be there. Painting the engine correctly on the engine stand and then bolt on intake afterwards. That catches your eye right away when you pop the hood and the engine lift brackets should of been sprayed too. Price is way to much for this Nova.

----Rally,,, To paint an aluminum intake engine the Tonowanda plant used masks or covers made out of pressed cardboard (I think). It would just sit down on the intake. After painting they piled up and were returned to the beginning of the line and were reused. They didn't fit too tight and overspray would creep around the edges. To add to that since the masks were reused they would suffer some deterioration and more overspray would get on the aluminum. On every original aluminum engine I have ever seen over the last 40 or so years there was some amount of Chevy orange but it varied from engine to engine. You can duplicate it pretty easily with a little thought, but installing the intake after the paint job would not appear factory correct. Hope this helps......Bill S

RALLY 12-04-2020 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by olredalert (Post 1525346)
----Rally,,, To paint an aluminum intake engine the Tonowanda plant used masks or covers made out of pressed cardboard (I think). It would just sit down on the intake. After painting they piled up and were returned to the beginning of the line and were reused. They didn't fit too tight and overspray would creep around the edges. To add to that since the masks were reused they would suffer some deterioration and more overspray would get on the aluminum. On every original aluminum engine I have ever seen over the last 40 or so years there was some amount of Chevy orange but it varied from engine to engine. You can duplicate it pretty easily with a little thought, but installing the intake after the paint job would not appear factory correct. Hope this helps......Bill S

Thanks for the info. Understand how that overspray could happen. That picture of this intake with the overspray is what was duplicated to look factory correct?

1971ls6 12-04-2020 01:22 AM

Heater hoses should be ribbed with no stamp. UPC bar codes did not exist in 69, alternator must have come from pep boys.

The corvette boys like to see some overspray from the mask, but they went overboard. Temp sensor in head looks like the wrong fitting.

Not a fan of the color and that will bring the price down. What’s up with the positive lead going over the battery to get to the junction block on the core support

x33rs 12-04-2020 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeteLeathersac (Post 1525336)
'

I don't expect this subject car is anything special but as discussed in past threads, a Copo Nova could exist, not a 427 car but a Copo # 9511 w/ 4:56 or 4:88 factory rear which was required for '69 Chevrolets w/ rear axles over 4:11.
A few 9511 Camaros are known also I think Chevelle or two but the '69 Novas more elusive and one an sYc Member reported having back in one of the old threads seemed the closest X-car possibility up to then.
I'm a work so can't dig for the old threads but was it you Tom w/ the example you let go of that seemed possible also was it a factory 4:56/4:88 car or?:hmmm:
Again, I don't expect the subject car is anything special but would still love to see a real '69 Copo 9511 X-Body if anyone knows of any.
:beers:
~ Pete

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Can't help with the car but I know the rears exist. I have a BX code 12 bolt with a 69 date, complete with GM posi and GM 4.88's in it. Pulled it out of a friends wrecked 69Z but I don't know if it was actually original to his car or not.

Lee Stewart 12-04-2020 03:15 AM

If it was originally a COPO 9511 car - it isn't anymore:

Quote:

The L78 Engine is Mated to a Counter Case Muncie Four Speed Trans that runs back to the 12 Bolt Posi rear with 3.55 Gears.
https://www.smokymountaintraders.com...et-nova-ss-396

olredalert 12-04-2020 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RALLY (Post 1525368)
Thanks for the info. Understand how that overspray could happen. That picture of this intake with the overspray is what was duplicated to look factory correct?

----No, that's somebody's incorrect take on Chevy orange intake overspray. It would never have been fogged over the first two inches of the intake runners. There would have randomly spotty orange missteps along the edges of the intake up against the heads. We are going to have to ask for some pics to explain what I'm getting. Hopefully someone can rummage up a few pics that show what I'm trying to explain. Help!......Bill S

Lee Stewart 12-04-2020 04:54 AM

https://i.postimg.cc/cCbjZJ7v/34z.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/XNHt92Mn/34.jpg

Kurt S 12-04-2020 05:20 AM

I thought the masks were a molded plastic. But Bill's explanation is spot-on and Lee's pics show it. :)

JoeC 12-04-2020 10:59 AM

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There was a COPO Nova Police car package built in 1974 as a small number of prototypes. They were sent to some police departments for testing. In 1975 Chevy made the COPO 9C1 Nova as a police package.

RALLY 12-04-2020 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeC (Post 1525404)
There was a COPO Nova Police car package built in 1974 as a small number of prototypes. They were sent to some police departments for testing. In 1975 Chevy made the COPO 9C1 Nova as a police package.

Those Nova police cars were pretty impressive. F41 suspension, heavy duty brakes, etc. A guy i worked with years ago had a 1977 Nova police car he bought at an auction. I rode in that car and it had some get up and go and handled well with that F41 suspension package. Again these cars were rated right up there with the best police vehicles.

JRSully 12-04-2020 12:17 PM

Wilma is correct, had a 69 L78 Nova with a BW coded rear (4:56) all the guts of it were gone, but housing cast date and assembly date jived with the car build date. I had a Fischer build sheet and have pics of the rear somewhere. Will hit the archives and see what I can find


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