'69 Z, White on White, #s, POP
 

Looks like a nice car - wish the seller would post the engine stamp.

I've only run across a handful of white-on-white '69 Z/28s. Pretty nice looking color combo on these cars and I'm surprised it wasn't more popular in the day

Link to 1969 Z/28 auction

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That is one sharp Z.

Hate to start nit picking, but that car is way too early to get the blue mylar VIN decal in the door.

Window sticker is a repro; several ECL errors.

Not only is the Window Sticker a reproduction,it's a Xerox copy of a reproduction...LOL.

Who put the 6 cyl coil springs in the front end.....lol.

Paul

So knowing some of the flaws pointed out, what’s a fair price?

Actually, didnt the Z use 6 cylinder springs to lower it more than the SS??

That car does look too low in the one picture Tony posted

I think that tag goes on a C2 Corvette spriing. There is no EF spring in the 69 Camaro spring chart.

Have no idea what the springs are from. They are not NOS; you can see the pits. They were blasted and painted. Nothing wrong with that.

It sits about where mine sits in the front. Mine has BB springs with a coil (or two..... can't remember, as I did that in 1977). I have the original springs, and can put it back stock in an afternoon if I want.

Hard to put a price on this one. The fake WS is a real turn off. I did not read the ad in detail. Is he representing it to be the original? If so, then buyer beware. If they will fake the WS, what else has been faked?

I like the car. I really like the white interior.

I would also be suspicious of the POP.

There is no residence at 2910 Red River St. in Austin, TX.

Not saying it isn't POSSIBLE that the original homes have been leveled and commercial buildings put in place, but it seems odd to me that most fake POPs have a non existent address.

good eyes guys.....on the blue mylar sticker, agree it should not be there, but the good news it has the correct door structure - meaning no ribs on the door itself for the sticker placement . I do like the look - nice and clean

i recall 427king used to have a white z in his inventory.......

window sticker calls out chamber exhaust..?? also - would the rear spoiler be called out as well as an option for an 02D car?

My 3B Z28 has a V0306 engine, this car was built 2D.....Hmmm...

I tried to buy this car when on Craiglist 7months ago for 45K and posted on Camaros.net... The drivetrain is 1 week after build date and is correct.....


https://www.camaros.net/threads/1969...ost-1783188395

Norwood 02D body tags span 24 calendar days from approximately February 19th – March 14th. There was no 03A. VINs N6015xx-N6145xx were built during that period. NCRS on this car states a final assembly date of March 14th.

The car could have been built with chambered exhaust. Now has the interim system; should not have chromed tail pipes. Or a trunk mat.

Spoilers were included with Z/28 equipment as of mid-April. The repro window sticker lists the later Z/28 MSRP of $506.60; should be $473.95.

Appears to be missing the order number also. :hmmm: I'm oddly obsessed with those ....

My 3B has the March 14th assembly date as well. I know body and engine build dates are very close Feb-Mar time frame.

I'm betting the springs were never changed. After 51 years everything sags a little, especially when its been thrashed on, and rear jacked up back in the day. I just installed the Moog 6308 front springs on my orange Z and ride height is excellent. Lower than stock by an inch, but just what I wanted.

Steve, if the 6308 moog is slightly lower, what is the recommended one from moog for the original stock height? Any idea?

From a stance - originally built, is the front suppose to have a slight increase higher than the back? I know this is personal preference for what you like, but was just wondering for future reference.

Been studying those for decades. One can roughly determine when a dealer order was confirmed [not placed] based on the number but that's about it. This car was probably confirmed on or about Feb 20th; built 22 days later. There are too many variables-stock/sold order, dealer allocations, equipment availability, etc. to draw any conclusions.

In addition, by the end of July '69, Chevy had built 200,282 Camaros but issued over 277,000 confirmations. Dealers routinely ordered in excess of their allocations; far more cars than the plants could build. Considering all the data we have, there are 5 gaps of 2,000-3,000 body numbers. Appears that about 3,000 orders were cancelled in the June-July period.

I chose this spring because it is close to the factory Z28 and it was recommended. I know there is a 6312, but have no experience.


I will post pictures once I have new tires installed and an alignment.






I had used Eaton for a big block, auto & a/c Pace car. I tried three sets of springs and spoke with them several times, at the end they said "try these". That's when I searched for another supplier (listed in Hemmings)located in Kansas back in 1994. His springs were perfect the first time!


As far as ride heights check the assembly manual, which has dimensions front and rear. I believe the rear is slightly lower....

got it - thanks for the thoughts

sometimes i see it as an experiment - tried some, replace and replace again...not sure i ever hit it right the first time :-(

That area did have homes into the '70s but was totally reconfigured by the 1980s into what we see today.

Hey Steve, the Moog 6308's I just got have a black vinyl coating. Did you repaiint yours or going with bare steel?

:hmmm:

I am pretty sure my car has the 6308s. I will check. Mine were bare steel and used rust prevention magic on them.

I might have a good front height picture I can post

My tag is 03D with a 0307 DZ stamp

Not the best picture. My car had 12,000 miles and the front springs were shot. Original owner had drag shocks and the twist in spacers in the springs when i got it

Here is a picture of my JL8 Z/28 when it was brand new with the window sticker in the window. Ride height is pretty low.

The '69 Z/28 only had two front spring rates available. The standard front spring which is found on most '69 Z/28's is 3955720. Those GM springs turn up on eBay from time to time NOS.

- Warren

Moog 6308 front springs
 

Here's my car with the moog 6308 front springs installed.
Tires rear 225-70-15 & front 215-70-15

Steve - your car looks perfect IMHO. Cars that sit lower (even though they may be the same as they left the factory) just look a little “tired” to me. Personal preference I guess.

Nailed it Steve, especially with the 70-series tires.

Popped up on BaT. This should be interesting.......

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...amaro-z-28-14/

No kidding, I'll be watching. I'll give BaT credit that their picture layout is well done. If I were the seller, I wouldn't have even mentioned the repop window sticker; peanut gallery will pick away at that for sure.

It’s already started.... buckle up!

The question...........

"marsman 13
If the car was assembled 4th week of Feb, why does it have a engine, rear axle, and trans dated March? The first paragraph does not say original engine. ….302ci V8 paired with a numbers-matching Muncie four-speed…?"

The answer............

"corvetteswanted (The Seller) 152
@marsman i cant answer why it is like that but i can tell you that the engine matches exactly what is on the ORIGINAL PROTECT O PLATE… the partial vin is stamped down by the oil filter, and the front pad has the same numbers the protect o plate says it should have…i feel this car has the ORIGINAL engine and All ORIGINAL Components! if you look in the pictures you will see the partial vin stamp and another pic of front pad and pic of the protect o plate"

Because this is one of those build periods that was delayed and cars got drivetrain components that were dated after the body date.
There is nothing wrong with the dates on the drivetrain of this car.

You were sure right about the BaT peanut gallery and that repop window sticker...

Now the commentariat on BaT are calling into question the drivetrain stamps themselves - what do folks on here think?
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My understanding is that 02D ran from about Feb 19 to Mar 14. The ending VINs were N614xxx which is the same as this car. That would make the drivetrain dates perfect. They could just order a shipping report...

Maybe William will chime in here, I probably learned this from him anyway.

:biggthumpup:

EDIT: they posted a screen shot for the shipping report order. March 14 so there it is.


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I would like to hear from Kurt on the engine pad. I think it looks good, but I don't have the resources he has. Has Jonesy chimed in here? He has a pretty good database of stamps as well.

I think guys are seeing some discoloration (circled in the pic below) and jumping to the conclusion that they are grinder marks. I see all kinds of discoloration on pads that are not painted. I don't see where it has been ground out and restamped.

Its a shame, because the cynics may be bringing the value way down.

I dont see that this pad has been ground out. I think something was wiped on there to try to make the numbers look more readable.
The engine pad stamping looks just like similar V0306 stampings I have. I think its legit.
The transmission stamping looks fine also.
I have yet to see the rear axle tube stamping.

02D went into March. If you have a large enough database of cars you can see this and the dates on drivetrain components. This was not the norm.

I know of other cars built 02D that were built quite a bit after this one. That is not normal either.
I think I will just be quiet about revealing anymore than I already did.

I know Kurt has seen the POP and says thats okay too.