Not LS-6 @Barrett-Jackson Las Vegas 2019
 

Did anyone here buy this?..If so,it was originally assembled as an LS-5 and has been documented by past ownerships.It was once in the LS-6 registry,but has since been removed.
VIN 136370R221194 https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...LLE-LS6-234262

The guy who bought was sure excited to pay 125K for it.

Ya i thought was strong $$$ for a automatic $125k plus the juice

The builder of this car is well known for building clones and even a rebodied LS6 convertible. Needs to do some time behind bars to show him how worthwhile it was to take advantage of people.

There are a bunch of scammers out there that need a swift kick in the grapes! These people are scum of the earth!

Former owner in my Chevelle Club that owned it before it became an LS6 noted this car even fooled a top inspector and CY Trans had a re stamped tag that was done incorrectly and poorly. Not going to get into details here but lots of info from this past owner in my group that gives a lot of info on this car calling it a CLONE in it's current state.
For the $125K guy got Ripped Off IMO after reading the comments in my club.

That's why the cars are at auction....24hr money back guarantee and then you own it.

Which will not protect the seller/builder if the current owner decides to sue and can prove everything that is being said. I would say that the builder may want to run away and hide as his days are numbered in the cloning market. Thank goodness I had nothing to do with this car but know the builder well and have a pretty extensive file on many of his builds including the rebodied LS6 convert. I HATE these kinds of people especially when some of them were friends at one time and they have really destroyed the hobby in the name of greed. They are so good at playing dumb and pretending to be your friend. Money can do horrible things to people, starting with greed.

P.T.Barnum said it best.....

Just wish these seat lovers would hire a professional before they lay the money out. A G-note now is a lot cheaper than bringing home a clone only to find out what they got later. I stood next to the buyer of another black LS6 (fake) at Mecum Indy about 5 years ago. He was having the time of his life and happier than hell to have the winning bid. I wanted desperately to get him to ask me what I thought of his car after he won the bid but had to keep my mouth shut for legal reasons. Had he asked me or hired me I would have saved him about $175k!

Does he have a name? Or is he just a well known cloner?

Christi Lee said it had the correct CE block in it when the car was featured, before it went over the block.

Prior to last week,it sold for 88K in 2015 at B-J Scottsdale as an LS-6 too.
Perpetuate a lie long enough and it soon becomes acceptable?
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...-SS-LS6-180571
Heard Jerry M. certified it,but was that as a real original LS-6 or just as an 1970 Chevelle Super Sport?

clearly, the new owner was not interested in doing any form of Research before buying this car as its apparent from this post., it's not a CIA Secret that this car is a clone. Makes ya wonder when are buyers going to stop being lazy and do an ounce of due diligence??

I do hate these scumbags who are passing these cars off as real but come on people.... Smart enough to have made such a good living to afford a $125K car but too Stupid to make some calls :(

It's just sad we have dishonest people cloning these cars. I've been collecting petroleum items for 30+ years and the amount of fake signs being produced is unreal and out of control. It almost takes the fun out of the hobby.

Not sure if this is the same car...

https://www.mecum.com/lots/KC1213-16...-chevelle-ls6/

...sure has been through a lot of auctions.

Also at Scottsdale 2019 with a $56100 winning bid,

https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...LLE-LS6-224541

Third time was the charm for this one :grin: Nice flip.

Previous seller also knew it was a fake so he is also guilty.

Auction listing states "This 1970 Chevelle SS came from the factory with the LS6 engine option". Should be an easy deal to unwind if the buyer so chose ...?

Just say no to auctions. I go to BJ to see the women, the cars are there so I look at them. Lol

Why would this car be in a registry if its a known fake? That doesn't make sense to me.

Its no longer in the registry and has not been for quite some time. I am not sure what was provided to Dale when it was originally registered or how it was listed.

I agree, people who clone cars in the name of $$ are pure scum that ruin it for those that have the real deal. As for the buyers, in most cases it has been my experience at least with Corvettes, that they would rather buy the car first then ask about it later which makes no sense. My theory is that most of these guys are very successful and are not used to having someone tell them what to do.

It happens all the time. I get the call after someone has bought the car and want me to inspect it. I am then the asshole when I tell them the car is fake, has fake paperwork, non original drivetrain, etc.

On the flip side I apologized to a customer once for the inspection (pre-purchase) costing so much and being able to disqualify the car within 15 minutes of arriving. He responded with, are you kidding? You just saved me $150,000! That put a new perspective on things for me.

The builder of the car in this thread needs to go to jail and it is up to us that are true hobbyist to see that these people pay hefty fines or do some jail time. LS6's have been very soft as of late and I think we can attribute some of it to these people ruining for others.

Anyone know this guy?


https://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Chevro...8AAOSw3v5Yqmn3

It sure would be nice if the GM docs surfaced, I know it won't happen. That would be must see TV!

----The picture of Bill Porterfield and Ronnie Sox was taken at Quaker City. The weekend was called Field of Dreams. I can't remember for sure but Grady Burch may have been there with his COPO Chevelle. Bill did what he stated before the weekend really started and then broke. I was asked to step in with Red Alert even though Ronnie's and my times were about 3/4 of a second apart. The Hemi Cuda actually belonged to Dale Smith (RIP), my long time close friend from Bloomington IL. and he paid Ronnie to drive that weekend. Dale owned OEM Glass. We finally bargained to a 1/2 second, as I just wanted to say I raced the famous R.Sox. Ronnie wasn't used to someone leaving a half second ahead of him and stood the Hemi on the rear bumper. I got of a little crooked and later found out that I scared some of the photographers so much they ran back from the railing, but Red Alert always landed well. Meanwhile Ronnie hit the ground so hard that he holed the oil pan. He either didn't know it or didn't care and tried to catch me, but I won by a whisker! It's infinetly better saying you beat Ronnie Sox than just saying you raced Ronnie Sox!!! LOL......Bill S

----Apologize for getting away from an important topic!...….Bill S

The buyer either doesn’t care or doesn’t know, and it seems as though B-J doesn’t care either. The real fine print of their (B-J) disclosure clearly states they are not responsible for “numbers”.
Greed is indeed a deadly sin and it seems several people are guilty of it when it comes to this particular car.
Does anyone here know who bought it in January for $51000 plus the juice? I’m wondering if it was purchased to make money, or if the buyer found out what he/she really had and decided to turn it loose (and make a nice hit).

Rick and I have both spoken about this situation many times. Just as he did here. I was just last week put in the same situation for a 67 SS L-78 on eBay. Still on eBay. Buyer saw it’s listed in the “L-78 Registry” and was happy to to put down a sizable deposit. Then enter the lets see if Mike knows this car? You can figure out the rest I think. Almost spent close to 6 figures :(

Unfortunately I think many are unintentionally misled by seeing these CERTIFICATES of being in a Registry. I’m not sure that means the same as verified and authenticity of a car. I do know, there’s plenty of people out here who can help someone BEFORE buying a car. Some may do it for FREE and that’s fine and Dandy and others get paid which is also more than fine and dandy. But I for one think everyone should continue to reinforce with all of our friends to get a car verified first. Put your Pride aside. I know many who think “ I don’t need to pay someone to tell me if a stamp is fake or document is fake.... I know just as much as that guy” Buyer Beware.... even all of us

I actually know a former owner of this car,
Used to be a real deal SS 454 LS5 car built out of Arlington Plant, he still has photos of the CS Tag for an Auto LS5 400 along with a bit of history on the car.
He told me it was converted to a LS6 car right after he sold it, Next seller knowing it had a perfect match for the rear end (3.31 Auto Posi code had both the same rear axle for LS5 & LS6) then added a bogus CY trans tag that was incorrectly stamped and finally putting in a CE Warranty LS6 block (Which is BS with no documents to back it up). Knowing there was NO Build sheet for this Arlington car stated it was an LS6 after these changes NASTY.
Destroyed what was already a true LS5 SS, also never had stripes before it was turned into a LS6 CLONE.
My verification for this car would have taken minutes to do if someone hired me to do the inspection LOL. Pretty sad what goes on but it is happening a lot more today.
I tell my clients not to buy cars at auctions anyways as there are about only 10% to 20% of the cars being real IMO and from my experience.

Now THAT is a great story! And seriously, if there's something to brag about regardless of the surrounding circumstances, it's beating Ronnie Sox. Congrats, that was brilliant.

The auction listing also states the car is "fully documented with its original Protect-O-Plate". So I assume it has a fake Pop, with an LS6 engine code. What's up with this?

:hmmm:

I let someone from Barrett-Jackson know about this thread and they were aware of the problem and looking into it.

Thanks Charley!

Agreed! Bill has all of the cool stories!! :biggthumpup:

The bottom line is don't buy a rare car that has a stamper motor and no valid paperwork. It could have been born something else and you'll probably find out the hard way.

I'm sure the fact that the motor was restamped would have been detected by a knowledgeable person. The only thing you have to go on after that is paperwork, and without that you're out on a limb.

No motor or no paperwork = no sale in my book.

The bigger problem its been sold 2 times as an LS-6 thru auctions according to posters on this thread . Whoever owns its now is going to have some cover. Personally I hate this crap because it hurts the real cars. Who certified the car as a LS-6?

Represented 5X as an LS-6.Looks like 3X through B-J,and 2X through Mecum.

In Chronological order:
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...LLE-LS6-234262 Sold $137,500.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/SC0519-37...-chevelle-ls6/ Bid to $80K
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...LLE-LS6-224541 Sold $56,100.00
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Even...-SS-LS6-180571 Sold 88K.
https://www.mecum.com/lots/KC1213-16...-chevelle-ls6/ Sold $41,500.

This is also why so many of them crash their private planes. They don't think the laws of physics apply to them either.

K

I’d like to have the auction fees this car has generated!