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Fast67VelleN2O 03-09-2019 06:16 PM

2 Different Vins.... one 1969 Muncie Transmission
 
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Now this is a new one for me. Bought this greasy thing that's been sitting for decades.

muscle_collector 03-09-2019 06:29 PM

ive actually had a couple of them like that. first one I saw was around 81 and I pulled it out of a firebird that was in a salvage yard. no body was restamping anything like that back then especially to put in a plain firebird. always wandered why.

ZLP955 03-09-2019 09:39 PM

Second partial probably added at the same time someone put the 'E' after the factory M21 assembly stamp.

rszmjt 03-09-2019 10:21 PM

The 9N558896 2 is a really bad restamp , individual hand stamped. LOL even has too many characters.

SS69chevelle 03-10-2019 12:28 AM

the chevelle vin is a 06B build, the first B looks like it might have been an E at some point which would fit better for a june chevelle build but i guess anything is possible. thanks for posting.

SuperNovaSS 03-11-2019 03:38 AM

Crazy Matt. Thanks for sharing.

Rszmjt,

What do you mean by too many characters?

Jason

Keith Seymore 03-11-2019 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rszmjt (Post 1438943)
The 9N558896 2 is a really bad restamp , individual hand stamped. LOL even has too many characters.

Not only that - but it would be impossible for the same transmission to be installed originally at two different assembly plants (Baltimore and Norwood).

K

bbjohnny 03-12-2019 03:19 AM

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Here's an interesting 68 transmission. Sorry for the editing. Not mine!!

Schonyenko2 03-12-2019 04:26 AM

I wonder if possibly it was a re work piece. I've had blocks that had nbrs that didn't match up with the cast dates. Bad pieces weren't fixed on the line and replaced on the car. Our bad parts went to the re work area, and they got to it whenever.

Kurt S 03-12-2019 04:54 AM

That's what I'm thinking - rework. Parts were returned to the source plant for repair.

That NOR stamp was hit at an angle. I have others like it.

Mr70 03-12-2019 10:52 AM

Those do look like factory stampings & agree they're probably re-worked.
Somewhere here I have a main case w/2 stampings as well.

William 03-12-2019 11:30 AM

Chevy was not well run in those days; one problem area was Materials. John De Lorean noted that after taking over as General Manager in 1969:

"As a result of poor coordination of materials, Chevrolet every year led the company in costs for interplant shipments, premium [mostly air carrier] freight shipments and inventories of obsolete parts at the end of each model run."

We see it in late production Z/28s-not unusual to see a May or June Muncie trans. Came from another assembly plant.

bbjohnny 03-12-2019 11:43 AM

The vin numbers are consecutive. I think that the stamper forgot to change his stamp for the next car, seen his error and stamped it correctly.

Keith Seymore 03-12-2019 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bbjohnny (Post 1439280)
The vin numbers are consecutive. I think that the stamper forgot to change his stamp for the next car, seen his error and stamped it correctly.

That happens - except the official repair is supposed to be to “X” out the offending digit(s) and restamp only those.

At least that was the policy when I ran the area that stamped the VIN on the frames in a truck plant.

K

70 copo 03-12-2019 06:29 PM

Keith,

That’s correct. As a matter of fact I have the actual “X” stamp that was used (if there was time that is):biggthumpup:

ZLP955 03-13-2019 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by SS69chevelle (Post 1438961)
the chevelle vin is a 06B build, the first B looks like it might have been an E at some point which would fit better for a june chevelle build but i guess anything is possible. thanks for posting.

So what thoughts regarding the assembly stamp, first letter 'B' or modified from 'E' - given that the Norwood partial is February and the Baltimore partial June? Someone's definitely added the E at the end, but the rework theory is plausible if the trans was assembled February and was destined for a Camaro, but had to be reworked and finished up in a June Chevelle/Elky.

SuperNovaSS 03-13-2019 06:27 AM

Maybe the “E” is a factory serviced stamp?

Jason

ban617 03-13-2019 09:37 AM

Maybe the E meant exchange...

TimG 03-13-2019 04:04 PM

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It looks like they forgot to advance the number on the one transmission and corrected that with the second stamp.

Here's the transmission stamp on my very early 1967 Corvette #350. This was the first year they used the letter S in the transmission on Corvettes. Of course, they forgot to advance the numbers for the transmission to 350. The Warranty Plate date of manufacture for the transmission matches the date on the transmission and the unit has never been out of the car. I'm sure this was not at all uncommon. Thank goodness they got the pad stamp correct.

iluv69s 03-15-2019 02:54 PM

Interesting that they did not use the same stamp for the engine and trans.

I believe that after 1969 they stamped (with the same stamp)the engine and trans after bolted together.

I had a muncie trans that had the same VIN stamped 5-6 times !!

TAR6569 03-18-2019 12:15 PM

That is interesting so St Louis had 2 partial vin stampers?

TimG 03-18-2019 04:59 PM

Not all years, but in 1967 they did. The transmission stamp included the "S".

RCH 03-18-2019 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimG (Post 1439442)
It looks like they forgot to advance the number on the one transmission and corrected that with the second stamp.

Here's the transmission stamp on my very early 1967 Corvette #350. This was the first year they used the letter S in the transmission on Corvettes. Of course, they forgot to advance the numbers for the transmission to 350. The Warranty Plate date of manufacture for the transmission matches the date on the transmission and the unit has never been out of the car. I'm sure this was not at all uncommon. Thank goodness they got the pad stamp correct.


Looks like a stamper to me. LOL

70 copo 03-19-2019 04:12 PM

Mixing letters and numbers can create slight spacing differences within the gang especially if the MFG of an individual stamp made it to a different spacing specification for the characters or older stamps were mixed in to the gang with newer stamps and used together.

I have identified three different stamp vendors that GM used at Norwood - all prior to the advent of VIN font stamps which changed the appearance entirely.


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