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DW31S 05-24-2017 08:01 PM

Muscle Car Review
 
Just received my latest issue and wanna give a big CONGRATULATIONS to Mike Angelo. A real nice article about Mike and his Black 375 horse '69 Camaro. Way to go Mike! Love the Cragars!
I knew Black was rare, but didn't know it was only 2% of the total build that wore that color out of the assembly plant. The car really pops with the red hockey stick!

Lee Stewart 05-24-2017 08:37 PM

Just an OBTW . . .

One of the rarest colors for the 1969 Camaro is Butternut Yellow with just 0.8%

http://s7.postimg.org/8for2mv97/aws.jpg

m22mike 05-24-2017 11:11 PM

According to CRG, Buternut yellow was 1 %' and champagne was .5 %

Mike

Lee Stewart 05-24-2017 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m22mike (Post 1354152)
According to CRG, Buternut yellow was 1 %' and champagne was .5 %

Mike

According to CRG they round to the nearest 0.5%. So 0.8% becomes 1%. Edited my post to reflect Champagne's lower % though. There is a reason of course why those three colors have such low production numbers: They became extra cost colors instead of RPO colors. Below is a revised 1969 Camaro Brochure page with the available colors. All 3 are missing. When this revision was made - I am not sure.

http://s29.postimg.org/3v92wbzzr/image.jpg


http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/chevy/69cam/69cam.html

m22mike 05-24-2017 11:32 PM

Did not know that, thanks.

Mike

Lee Stewart 05-24-2017 11:54 PM

http://s27.postimg.org/rgm506gdf/screenshot_4409.png


From the GM Heritage Center dated September 1968

Lee Stewart 05-25-2017 12:03 AM

http://s26.postimg.org/h02xwqy5l/copo12.jpg


Window Sticker for a Tuxedo Black COPO Camaro. Notice it has a $12.65 charge for the color.

William 05-25-2017 01:02 AM

Muscle Car Review
 
Chevrolet Marketing information concerning paint color options for the 1969 Camaro is confusing.

Black was discontinued during the 1968 model year. However the initial release of the 1969 Camaro Showroom Album lists 18 colors with black at the top of the list. Several colors are flagged "check availability before ordering": 10, 40, 51, 61, 63 and 67. A later rev sheet for the album removes the flags from 51, 61 and 67.

There was also a document that designated certain colors as “Special Order” by assembly plant. For Van Nuys those were 10, 40, 51, 61, 67; two tones 53-51, 51-53, 61-63.

For Norwood those were 40, 63; two-tone 61-63. What “Special Order” meant wasn’t clear.

The first rev of the 1969 Camaro Dealer Order Form is dated 6-68. Colors are not listed but there was a place to specify color. Dealers could start placing orders July 1, 1968; at that time black appeared to be an RPO color. Sometime later rev 0 of the US showroom brochure was released. Black [10], Butternut Yellow [40] and Champagne [63] are not listed. They are also not listed in rev 1. The Canadian rev doesn't list colors. 10, 40, 63 are also not listed in the dealer ordering data.

But they were available. In checking the CRG db, from the start of production through the end of 1968 at both plants there are a very few of those colors. They are not designated as special paint. After January 1969 they become far more common. Black, Champagne and Butternut Yellow were extra-cost: $12.65.

At some point late in 1968 Chevy must have notified dealers that 10, 40, 63 would be available at extra cost. It is not known how earlier orders were handled.

napa68 05-25-2017 01:37 AM

Congrats Mike! Great spread..............................I want those slicks!

Tim

Woj 05-25-2017 02:29 AM

Congrats Mike. Very nice article. Except for the "amateur" part. Great car. Well deserving of a magazine story.

Phil

enio45 05-25-2017 04:32 PM

No amateur on that car....Mikeeee does everything....he's Italian, I maka u nice job!

great article and car....

ORIGLS6 05-25-2017 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woj (Post 1354180)
Congrats Mike. Very nice article. Except for the "amateur" part. Great car. Well deserving of a magazine story.

Phil



Well deserving indeed; both the Car, .......and the Guy!

x77-69z28 05-25-2017 09:08 PM

Way to go Mike! I haven't gotten my copy yet, can't wait to read up on the black beast.

earntaz 05-25-2017 10:39 PM

Not bad for an "amateur" -- Geezz ... apparently whoever authored the article does not know Mike. Awesome Camaro and owner!!! TAZ :rolleyes:

black69 05-26-2017 04:01 PM

Congrats on the ink Mike! Had no idea black was an extra cost color until today...I just thought it was just a 1% color...

Here are 2 pics from a show in chicago we were both at a while back... (mine has a black v top and yours crushes rocks!).

http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/o...9/DSC_0799.jpg
http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/o...9/DSC_0851.jpg

Stefano 05-26-2017 04:26 PM

Congrats.....killer car / cars.

Ryan1969Chevelle 05-26-2017 07:07 PM

I loved the article, but no photo of the owner:-(

Camera Shy?

Ryan

68l30 05-27-2017 01:08 AM

Mikes a Pro...Way to go! :biggthumpup:

BIG

454_Malibu 05-27-2017 01:32 AM

Congrats, still have the Pristine 72 Monte. how about a Pic,,,

m22mike 05-27-2017 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 454_Malibu (Post 1354375)
Congrats, still have the Pristine 72 Monte. how about a Pic,,,

Boy do I miss that Monte, had to go when I got the Black Camaro, how do you know that car ?

454_Malibu 05-27-2017 02:03 AM

I don't, it was mentioned in the article,, My Brother is a big fan of 70-72,, That's all, Again Congrats. Scot

bigsixman 05-27-2017 02:43 AM

I have a friend that had a 69 almost identical to Mike's and it was ordered in the fall of 1968 and it had a -- pnt tag and he was able to get a copy of the dealer's invoice and it showed it as special paint and I believe that the cost was about $35.00.

DW31S 05-27-2017 02:32 PM

Not to deviate from the thread about Mike, but since odd colors are being discussed, there is/was a Butternut Z/28 offered on eBay recently. I passed on a Butternut convertible a few months ago, mainly because of the Butternut Yellow; it is just so bland. I can see why not many models in that color. Also, pertaining to rare colors, my '69 Camaro started life as a 53 50 Two Tone Dover White/Glacier Blue X22. And, way back as a teenager, my first '69 Camaro was Azure Turquoise with a black top/interior/hockey stick.

Lee Stewart 05-29-2017 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DW31S (Post 1354424)
Not to deviate from the thread about Mike, but since odd colors are being discussed, there is/was a Butternut Z/28 offered on eBay recently. I passed on a Butternut convertible a few months ago, mainly because of the Butternut Yellow; it is just so bland. I can see why not many models in that color. Also, pertaining to rare colors, my '69 Camaro started life as a 53 50 Two Tone Dover White/Glacier Blue X22. And, way back as a teenager, my first '69 Camaro was Azure Turquoise with a black top/interior/hockey stick.

http://s30.postimg.org/6ryrtqkqp/image.jpg


http://s17.postimg.org/jeyz4mfyn/ccc.jpg

427TJ 06-05-2017 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart (Post 1354128)
Just an OBTW . . .

One of the rarest colors for the 1969 Camaro is Butternut Yellow with just 0.8%

http://s7.postimg.org/8for2mv97/aws.jpg

THAT is dead-sexy right there.

NorCam 06-05-2017 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 427TJ (Post 1355370)
THAT is dead-sexy right there.

Agreed...

While I do love the Black and Blue cars, that right there has to be one of my favorite colors on a 69 car. Super clean car!!!

dykstra 06-06-2017 11:49 AM

Great article!

BTW. Palomino Ivory was a pretty rare color in 1968. I believe .6% of Camaros had that color.

brent396 06-06-2017 12:10 PM

Great looking car

m22mike 06-14-2017 05:12 PM

Cool car guy story
 
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So several weeks ago and after the article on the Black car was out a fellow 69 and 70 Camaro owner in Fairborn Ohio reaches out by phone to talk about my car after finding out it came from Lang's Chevrolet in Fairborn.
After a nice talk he had a later style black plastic license plate frame he wanted to send me and I graciously accepted. I also ask him if Lang's ever used a metal plate frame .
He also mentioned he knew twin brothers that were salesman at Lang's back in 1969.
After our initial conversation he reached out to one of the brothers and ask about the frame, and he said, I just might have one of those.
And now you know the rest of the story, and how a never before mounted, totally mint metal license plate frame from Lang's found it's way to Black Beauty, and at no charge !! He did not even want $ for the postage. I did send him one of my restored gas caps and hope it goes to one of his Camaros.
And FYI there is no makers mark on the back casting.
So how cool is this....
Mike

68l30 06-14-2017 06:04 PM

That's some good karma right there Mike!! Looks great, Day two 1969!!!

BIG

mockingbird812 06-14-2017 06:27 PM

Superb!!! Lovin' it!!!! Well deserved Mikey!


P.S. can you run that "in transit" plate legally in OH? I have some mint dealer plates that I would like to use but figured DMV would not allow them.

fsc66 06-14-2017 07:11 PM

69 Colors
 
Records show through Aug 69' (Although it does show as final)

In order of rarity:

63 Champagne
10 Black
40 Butternut Yellow
61 Burnished Brown

Paul

galveston 06-14-2017 07:22 PM

WOW Mikey !!!!!

Super score on the frame!!!

Congrats on the story , finally got my issue.....

Gotta love it ... the power of media!!!

Xplantdad 06-14-2017 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by galveston (Post 1356544)
WOW Mikey !!!!!

Super score on the frame!!!

Congrats on the story , finally got my issue.....

Gotta love it ... the power of media!!!


X2. Good things happen to good people!!! :)

m22mike 06-14-2017 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mockingbird812 (Post 1356537)
Superb!!! Lovin' it!!!! Well deserved Mikey!


P.S. can you run that "in transit" plate legally in OH? I have some mint dealer plates that I would like to use but figured DMV would not allow them.

Sam
I have one on the Camaro and one on the Malibu, both registered.
I also see many dealer plates out there.
The second one I registered was on the Camaro, the deputy registrar I always go to would not register it, he even called Columbus and talked to some gurl and she said you could not register dealer plates....:bs:...so he was scared and declined doing it, so I told him no problem, I'll go to another, and the other one 3 miles away did not even question it.
So, I have never gotten a straight question, or a Ohio code saying you could not do it. I would try it , may need several attempts ?

Mike

Ryan1969Chevelle 06-14-2017 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m22mike (Post 1356546)
Sam
I have one on the Camaro and one on the Malibu, both registered.
I also see many dealer plates out there.
The second one I registered was on the Camaro, the deputy registrar I always go to would not register it, he even called Columbus and talked to some gurl and she said you could not register dealer plates....:bs:...so he was scared and declined doing it, so I told him no problem, I'll go to another, and the other one 3 miles away did not even question it.
So, I have never gotten a straight question, or a Ohio code saying you could not do it. I would try it , may need several attempts ?

Mike

Love the plate frame!!

Ryan

PS: In Ontario we can register YOM year of manufacture plates:-) for the low prices of $$$261.55 CAD

Mr. Chevy 06-14-2017 10:23 PM

Sam, there is nothing in the Ohio Revised Code under section 4503.181 that excludes a person from registering model year dealer plates. Below is subsection "D" of this ordinance which talks specifically about registering historical and model year plates. You also do NOT need to run both plates on the car. With model year plates you only have to display the rear unlike regular Ohio plates, must display both. Below it says both plates "MAY" not "MUST" be displayed.

(D) A vehicle registered under this section may display either a historical vehicle license plate issued by the registrar of motor vehicles or a model year license plate procured by the applicant. A historical vehicle license plate shall not bear a date, but shall bear the inscription "Historical Vehicle--Ohio" and the registration number, which shall be shown thereon. A model year license plate shall be a legible and serviceable license plate issued by this state and inscribed with the date of the year corresponding to the model year when the vehicle was manufactured. Two model year license plates, duplicates of each other, may be displayed on the historical motor vehicle at any time, one plate on the front and one plate on the rear of the vehicle. The registration certificate and the historical vehicle license plate issued by the registrar shall be kept in the vehicle at all times the vehicle is operated on the public roads and highways in this state.

Hope this helps....

Rich

Mr. Chevy 06-14-2017 10:34 PM

Mike, that plate frame is bad A$$!!!!

COOL!!!

Rich

mockingbird812 06-14-2017 10:51 PM

Thanks Mikey and Rich. You have emboldened me to go for it!!!!

bbbentley 06-15-2017 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by mockingbird812 (Post 1356568)
Thanks Mikey and Rich. You have emboldened me to go for it!!!!

Not mint, but two can play Sam.


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