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OK, so as many have surmised, our Big special feature display will honor the 50th Anniversary of the launch of the Camaro and Firebird for the upcoming Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals show, November 18-19, 2017. This special display will highlight the <span style="font-style: italic">most significant </span>1967-1969 General Motors High Performance F-Bodies.

We have several confirmed, including the very first ZL1 and one of the eight Trans Am convertibles to name a few.

We will have 12-13 67-69 Firebirds on the right, and 12-13 67-69 Camaro's on the left.

Please keep in mind that this display is for the<span style="font-style: italic"> best of the best</span>, the most <span style="font-style: italic">historical of the historical</span> and the <span style="font-style: italic">hottest of the hot</span>. The display will include factory stock and race variations, and each and every one will be highly documented and real.

I mentioned a couple of &quot;no brainers&quot; that will be joining us, but would love to hear what you consider the most significant. I would also appreciate any leads or contact information for owners of significant cars that suit this criteria.

As you can imagine, we could easily fill the show with first Gen Camaro's and of course, we love them, but as always, we will limit the amount of similar cars regardless of make or model to maintain the balance that we strive for every year. (I turned away over 30 prime first Gen Camaro's last year!)

So tell us...what do you consider the<span style="font-style: italic"> most significant </span>Performance Camaro's and Firebirds for the 1967-1969 period and what would you like to see at MCACN 2017?

<span style="font-style: italic">Yes...planning for MCACN never stops and as always, we welcome your thoughts and suggestions!</span>

Thanks;

Bashton
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The red/red 67 SS/350 serial # 0000001 that was in Hot Rod Magazine and used by several California manufacturers to build after market parts for the Camaro. This was the first Camaro that was wrote about in the magazines and was featured in several Hot Rod issues in a build up series with different modifications.

I believe Vic Edelbrock may own it today.

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Smokey Yunick Camaro?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigsixman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The red/red 67 SS/350 serial # 0000001 that was in Hot Rod Magazine and used by several California manufacturers to build after market parts for the Camaro. This was the first Camaro that was wrote about in the magazines and was featured in several Hot Rod issues in a build up series with different modifications.

I believe Vic Edelbrock may own it today. </div></div>

Agree!

Also the Pete Estes '68 Z with the crossram etc....

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I think a Mark Donohue TransAm Camaro would certainly be one to have. I don't which ones survive or are available. I know you had Grumpy's Toy this year, but a first year Pro Stock would certainly be significant.

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----Batcar is a gimme!!!......Bill S

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John Mello's amazing first ever '67 Z-28 produced!
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...0&amp;page=all

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~ Pete

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigsixman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The red/red 67 SS/350 serial # 0000001 that was in Hot Rod Magazine and used by several California manufacturers to build after market parts for the Camaro. This was the first Camaro that was wrote about in the magazines and was featured in several Hot Rod issues in a build up series with different modifications.

I believe Vic Edelbrock may own it today. </div></div>

Agree!

Also the Pete Estes '68 Z with the crossram etc.... </div></div>

The convertible one, right? Is it still owned by DM?

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Might as well go ahead and get a room now lol.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xplantdad</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigsixman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The red/red 67 SS/350 serial # 0000001 that was in Hot Rod Magazine and used by several California manufacturers to build after market parts for the Camaro. This was the first Camaro that was wrote about in the magazines and was featured in several Hot Rod issues in a build up series with different modifications.

I believe Vic Edelbrock may own it today. </div></div>

Agree!

Also the Pete Estes '68 Z with the crossram etc.... </div></div>

The convertible one, right? Is it still owned by DM? </div></div>

Yep!

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I'm pretty sure the Pitt Trans Am racer is still on the vintage circuit. It was a twin to the Mark Donahue cars, and is owned by John Miller out of Indiana.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pat_Dilling</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I know you had Grumpy's Toy this year, but a first year Pro Stock would certainly be significant. </div></div>
That was a tribute car.

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I think a worthy addition would be Dick Harrell's funny car.

Paul

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The &quot;Cherokee&quot; and the only original owner ZL1 still in the hands of the original owner, along with the Fred Gibb sold, Dick Harrell, Yenko Camaro, Little Hoss, Grumpy's Toy, the '67 and '69 Pace Cars, First Gen NicKey Camaro and Motion Phase III.......etc

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I think the blue ZL1 with the white top and the RS option, is my favorite camaro. That should be there. The best looking baddest one on the planet.

I also think a tribute/clone (the best one out there) representing the ZL1 prototype. Everyone talks about that car, why not have something to stir up conversation at the show. Its a thought.

(Paceme's black L78 convert). Coolest camaro convert on planet. 4 spd. That represents a work of art of all the first gen camaro's.

The blue L89 convert that is in Kevin Suydam's collection. That is pretty rare.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PeteLeathersac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">'

John Mello's amazing first ever '67 Z-28 produced!
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...0&amp;page=all

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~ Pete

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Maybe Goofy suggestion but; Any Cutaway Cars still out there?

Jim

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The 67 Indy Pace Car that paced the race that I think Charlie owns or owned.

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Just my 2 cents, limit the amount of '68 and '69 cars that get featured in 2017 since the 50th anniversary of those cars follows right behind and they will get their day in the sun. Why shortchange the '67s?

How about Grumpy's '67 L78?

Fred Gibb &quot;Little Hoss&quot;

Dick Guldstrand's Trans-Am Dana Camaro

Did Kevin Suydam ever restore this car and/or did an NCRS report say if it was a Dana? https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...2&amp;page=all

I went with a friend to Europe last February and we brought back the original Penske/Donohue '67 Trans-Am Camaro that went to Europe in '68. That hopefully will be restored in time for the MCACN show.

I would like to have all of the surviving first 25 '67 Z-28s built at the show, which would be 8 cars and 2 engines.

It would be great to have the Jack Douglass (Hinsdale, IL) sponsored '67 Trans-Am Camaro there as well as an original Brigance '67 Z that my friend owns since they are originally local to the area. An original Nickey '67 Z would be included as one of the first 25 cars.

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I really don't care for the car itself, but the gold '67 &quot;First Camaro&quot; probably deserves an invite. The actual '67 Indy 500 Pace Car for sure, the first Z/28 is a no-brainer, Estes' Z convert., and I think I agree with the thought of predominantly '67 model years. Were the &quot;Fitchbirds&quot; '67 or '68s? Smokey's stuff is cool and under-appreciated in my opinion, so any verified ties to him would be a welcomed guest I think. This will require some more thinking!

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Great to hear the responses and even better to know that many of your suggestions are already either confirmed or pending confirmation.

Keep in mind we will have TWO displays featuring first Gen Camaro's' for 2017; one that is specifically 1967 Z/28's and one that highlights 12-13 (only) of the<span style="font-style: italic"> most significant</span> High Performance First Gen Camaro's.

And let's not forget the Pontiac &quot;brother&quot; too!

Bashton

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A$$ monkey #1,#2 firebirds? But they recently went through auction, but do not know if or what they sold.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bashton</div><div class="ubbcode-body">And let's not forget the Pontiac &quot;brother&quot; too!</div></div>

http://www.hotrod.com/articles/1968-...d-flies-again/

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: olredalert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">----Batcar is a gimme!!!......Bill S </div></div>

Yup this one for sure.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigsixman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The red/red 67 SS/350 serial # 0000001 that was in Hot Rod Magazine and used by several California manufacturers to build after market parts for the Camaro. This was the first Camaro that was wrote about in the magazines and was featured in several Hot Rod issues in a build up series with different modifications.

I believe Vic Edelbrock may own it today. </div></div>
Serial # is 7L1022xx off of the top of my head, btw.

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A$$ monkey #1,#2 firebirds? But they recently went through auction, but do not know if or what they sold.

The pair did 300K reserve not met at las vegas Barrett jackson last month. I was actually the one that found them [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: resto4u</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A$$ monkey #1,#2 firebirds? But they recently went through auction, but do not know if or what they sold. </div></div>

Would not allow these idiots into the building... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Bashton

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bashton</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: resto4u</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A$$ monkey #1,#2 firebirds? But they recently went through auction, but do not know if or what they sold. </div></div>

Would not allow these idiots into the building... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Bashton </div></div>

Thank you Bob...... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif[/img]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m22mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bashton</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: resto4u</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A$$ monkey #1,#2 firebirds? But they recently went through auction, but do not know if or what they sold. </div></div>

Would not allow these idiots into the building... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Bashton </div></div>

Thank you Bob...... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif[/img] </div></div>

Amen to that!

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I agree with others with trying to focus more on 67's as 68's and 69's will have their day in the next few years.

In the absence of any 67 Cutaways being available , how about the 67 350 display engine that was recently sold? (think it was also coupled to a powerglide maybe and was in a large Perspex box.

Would be super cool to also see some of the original advertising of the 67 Camaros too. I passed on a very large poster / billboard (because it was too large for me to transport all the way home)advertising the &quot;new&quot; 67 Camaro - pretty sure it was blue and white from memory... advertising under $3000.

Pace car , L78 , Z28 , 396 - 325 and 375HP. Any experimental engines?

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I was looking at Kevin Suydam's cars on his website, and was surprised to see he had a L89 pace car convert. What a holy grail car. That trumps an L78 convert. Wow. It should be the one pace car convert that is there, the ultimate.

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Both of the actual Pace cars in 69 were factory built as L89's.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Geoff</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree with others with trying to focus more on 67's as 68's and 69's will have their day in the next few years.

In the absence of any 67 Cutaways being available , how about the 67 350 display engine that was recently sold? (think it was also coupled to a powerglide maybe and was in a large Perspex box.

Would be super cool to also see some of the original advertising of the 67 Camaros too. I passed on a very large poster / billboard (because it was too large for me to transport all the way home)advertising the &quot;new&quot; 67 Camaro - pretty sure it was blue and white from memory... advertising under $3000.

Pace car , L78 , Z28 , 396 - 325 and 375HP. Any experimental engines? </div></div>

Love this! If anyone knows who currently owns the 350 display engine or any others please let me know. [email protected]

Looks like I better do some digging through the archives to create a First Gen Camaro ad collection display too. Of course, related memorabilia is also a must for this.

Bashton

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black69</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was looking at Kevin Suydam's cars on his website, and was surprised to see he had a L89 pace car convert. What a holy grail car. That trumps an L78 convert. Wow. It should be the one pace car convert that is there, the ultimate.




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Both of these cars were Unveiled at MCACN a few years ago and are currently owned by two very good friends/supporters of MCACN.

Bashton

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Bob, if you're looking for historical Firebirds, the first two 1967 Firebirds would be a must for this display. They aren't restored correctly, but they are still significant to the story of the 1967 Firebird.

Another significant 1967 Bird is the one in the Daytona museum, repeatedly claimed to be the first Firebird built (I've never seen the VIN) and it paced a few races at Daytona. I'm not sure you could finagle them to haul it to Rosemont IL for the show though, but it might be worth a try. Honestly, this car would get more exposure in 2 days in Rosemont than it gets at the Daytona museum in a year.

http://insidetrack.blogs.news-journa...Firebird-2.jpg

The first Fitchbirds were evaluated by Pontiac as a potential &quot;special&quot; Firebird (the car that would eventually become the 1969 Trans Am). Pontiac rejected the Fitchbird, and it slipped into oblivion. Fitch sold a few conversion cars to recoup his tooling costs. I'm not sure if that qualifies as a part of Pontiac history, but it's a possibility.

There are a couple excellent examples of finely restored 1967 Firebird convertibles in Tyrol Blue, and this would make an awesome display if you could find someone could create a life sized cardboard cutout of DeLorean to prop up next to the car. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

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I have no interest in having those two first Firebirds or the #1 67 Camaro. The white Firebird shown above with all the autographs is kinda interesting though.

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Invitation to view the &quot;magnificent five&quot; that came with car #000001

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If you want memorabilia or promotional material, contact Tim at the Pontiac-Oakland Museum. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

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Great idea Stealthbird. DO THESE CARS BELOW STILL EXIST? SOME ROYAL DRAG CARS AND BOBCATS ARE A MUST! But those Fitchbirds? I hate the idea of a nicer Bird being displaced by those ugly mucks. Pontiac was right to reject that proposal. Yuck.

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