Mopar guy needs 1970 L78 help
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A local guy is selling his 1970 SS 396 Chevelle 4-speed with the L78 engine. He claims the engine is matching numbers, but the numbers look too good to factory. Not an expert by no means though. Do any of you Chevy guys think this is a legit stamping?</div></div>

http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/ubbt...ing.html#UNREAD

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I think it's odd how they stopped the milling machine in straight line to leave stamp. Is this possible?

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Almost looks beveled down ...

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OBVIOUS FAKE BOGUS KANSAS RE-STAMP FOR SO MANY REASONS!..and yes I'm yelling.
VIN 136370K112020 for posterity.

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They are definitely getting better at it. If not for a couple of really stupid mistakes this could have gotten by most.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OBVIOUS FAKE BOGUS KANSAS RE-STAMP FOR SO MANY REASONS!..and yes I'm yelling.
VIN 136370K112020 for posterity. </div></div>
Compare to original.
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...7-img_3115.jpg

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Billohio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it's odd how they stopped the milling machine in straight line to leave stamp. Is this possible? </div></div>

With a belt sander. Lol

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It may be &quot;matching numbers&quot; due to someone's overactive (but, not well executed) imagination. It just ain't original!! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/no.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/crazy.gif[/img]

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----Broach marks tell the tail and they are bogus, bogus, bogus......Bill S

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69z28302</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Billohio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it's odd how they stopped the milling machine in straight line to leave stamp. Is this possible? </div></div>

With a belt sander. Lol </div></div>
Yep. With the head on it might not look so obvious

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Even with the head on it would be obvious, (hint) it has to do with the Vin#. They don't know or have not seen a real kansas vin#.

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Vin number should be smaller and not the same size as engine plant number.Maybe someone can post a pic of the correct size font for vin number.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr.Nickey Nova</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Vin number should be smaller and not the same size as engine plant number.Maybe someone can post a pic of the correct size font for vin number. </div></div>

that is not the case on a Kansas VIN stamp as they are unlike all the other plants which are in fact smaller.

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look here http://chevellestuff.net/1970/engines/index.htm

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Not even close.

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You sure need to employ or have someone with knowledge inspect almost each and every &quot;high end&quot; car nowadays. The crooks are everywhere.

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Arent the kansas vins upside down in relation to the date aramo?

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Meant to write 'date stamp

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rcc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You sure need to employ or have someone with knowledge inspect almost each and every &quot;high end&quot; car nowadays. The crooks are everywhere. </div></div>

I call it inexpensive insurance. I once inspected a $140K LS6 for a customer and determined it to be a fraud in about 15 minutes of inspection time. I apologized to the buyer that he spent a lot of money only to find out immediately that it was a fake. His response was that I did not cost him money but rather that I saved him $140,000. I now have a different attitude about it.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rcc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You sure need to employ or have someone with knowledge inspect almost each and every &quot;high end&quot; car nowadays. The crooks are everywhere. </div></div>

I call it inexpensive insurance. I once inspected a $140K LS6 for a customer and determined it to be a fraud in about 15 minutes of inspection time. I apologized to the buyer that he spent a lot of money only to find out immediately that it was a fake. His response was that I did not cost him money but rather that I saved him $140,000. I now have a different attitude about it. </div></div>

X2 Rick, I did two inspections this year that took me less then 2 minutes to do by looking at the build sheet first before the car itself and they were clearly fakes. Buyer's were happy to pay the small fee compared to the whole fee of the mega buck car. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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Yep, x3!

Recently, it's almost as if you must first conclude that all is fake and the prove to the opposite!

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It's on eBay now: I wrote to him and told him the window sticker, car shipper and build sheet are all repros, and he sent me back a very nasty note telling me he had all the docs reviewed by the best Chevelle people in the business and I didn't know what I was talking about. I feel bad for all the bidders that don't know better.......
http://www.ebay.com/itm/131966414354...,ext=ext,bu=bu

Paul

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So, is the POP genuine? Reason I ask is that Joseph Hughes may be gone, but his wife Bette Lou Hughes still lives at the same address as on the POP.
most of the fake POP's I see have fake addresses. If the person is real, it just happens to be someone who recently died (or died right before they printed up the POP).
So, is that POP likely real? If so, may be a real L78 car, but they faked the engine.

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If the wife is still at that address, and someone is obsessed with getting this car, it may be worth trying to reach her and get confirmation of the car did exist and maybe she has pictures or something else on it. Then that could help vindicate the POP may be real.

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Holy cut-and-paste, Batman!

Here's a better link:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/131966414354?