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Well it is Friday June 17, 10:48 am. I went to the GM show and am back home. Left at 6:45 am. Carlisle Productions has got to figure things out. There were 3 Rows of venders and not even filled. I do not regret going, but folks our hobby is on life support. Got to talk to friends and that was good. If anyone from Carlisle productions reads this, reducing space size hurt you and 20 bucks to get in and park is 10 to much.

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not worth it to me and don't go anymore. I am sure there is something to do there but not my deal anymore.

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Wow surprised to hear that.Haven't been in a few years.Sorry to hear that things have gone south!

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Easier to sell on Ebay than sell for 50% of the price at a show and pay all the overhead costs. Now the swap meets are all buyers, and no sellers.

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That show sucks.

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Been about 5 years since I've been there. Only show I hit for certain is Corvettes. Sometimes spring and fall.

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So why are the Ford and Mopar Carlisle events packed and the GM (essentially a Chevy) show is drying up? I'd like to hear a good explanation, because I can't think of one.

Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]

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GM show was the same weekend as the Camaro Nationals in Fredericksburg. Sammy I stopped going for 10 years because I would run into people from the dragstrip that knew I worked there and wanted to complain about something there, spoiling mu vacation time. Now I'm out and free.

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In my opinion, for what that's worth Verne, Ford and Mopar are brands that have an easier time coralling allegiance around their brands. In the muscle years, both had basically two brands within &quot;Mopar&quot; and &quot;Ford&quot; - Mercury being a &quot;little brother&quot; ,if you will, with only few offerings of a muscular nature.

The divisions within General Motors have super strong followings - Pontiac people are as passionate and, at times, anti-Chevy, as any Mopar nut. They've had years of great, organized shows under POCI, GTOAA, Trans-Am etc. to enjoy their brand. They don't need a GM show. Ditto Chevy, Buick and Olds people.

Hell, the Carlisle show used to host the Camaro Nationals - that was great! Think about that: one model, sold by one division of GM. (But they left Carlisle). Ever hear of a 'Cuda Nationals? Nope. It's the Mopar Nationals. So when one model of GM has a show with as many devotees as an entire Mopar show, well, you get the picture - there isn't any need for a &quot;GM Show&quot;. So nobody goes. 2 cents.

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Good points Des!

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Not only are the Camaros gone, but they usually have GM Nats on the same weekend as the Md Chevelle show, so the Chevelles are limited, plus they have a separate show for Corvette's which limits Corvette attendance at the GM Nats.

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Correct Bill. They are the biggest issues IMO plus GM shows have been saturated for years. Look how weak Macungie has become over the last 10-12 years or so.

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Was there a Solid Lifter Showroom this year?

Thanks,

Marty

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Yes... ZL-1 #35 is part of the display. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

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Is that Mark Hassett's?

Ryan

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When the camaros left, that show basically did also... It was great !! Now ? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes... ZL-1 #35 is part of the display. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] </div></div>

green automatic I believe...I remember seeing that car there before I think...?? Sweet !

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Anyone have some photos of SLS to share?

Thank you,
Marty

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In my opinion, for what that's worth Verne, Ford and Mopar are brands that have an easier time coralling allegiance around their brands. In the muscle years, both had basically two brands within &quot;Mopar&quot; and &quot;Ford&quot; - Mercury being a &quot;little brother&quot; ,if you will, with only few offerings of a muscular nature.

The divisions within General Motors have super strong followings - Pontiac people are as passionate and, at times, anti-Chevy, as any Mopar nut. They've had years of great, organized shows under POCI, GTOAA, Trans-Am etc. to enjoy their brand. They don't need a GM show. Ditto Chevy, Buick and Olds people.

Hell, the Carlisle show used to host the Camaro Nationals - that was great! Think about that: one model, sold by one division of GM. (But they left Carlisle). Ever hear of a 'Cuda Nationals? Nope. It's the Mopar Nationals. So when one model of GM has a show with as many devotees as an entire Mopar show, well, you get the picture - there isn't any need for a &quot;GM Show&quot;. So nobody goes. 2 cents. </div></div>

I understand what you're saying and I get the logic but I still feel that GM people who want to attend a swap and look for parts might have an easier time finding them at a GM show rather than having to cover 8000 spaces at a Spring or Fall show. When I have vended there I have always done very well, even though the number of vendors keeps shrinking. I've found good crowds in the aisles at each show, even today when I was there a short time. The ebay reasoning does not apply if you look at the Ford and Mopar shows with substantial vendor turnout. The buyers ARE there in the aisles; it's the continuing loss of vendors that perplexes me.

Verne

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Is it because vendors are getting older and N.O.S. 1960's parts are drying up?Some of the EBay sellers that I've been dealing with for a long time are now into 1970's to early 80's parts.

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I don't know of any great all Chevy shows anymore. I went to GM Nationals the very first year and was somewhat disappointed. We didn't go back until last year and were very disappointed. We spent the morning at Camaro Nat's and then headed to Carlisle anticipating spending the next day there. Spent maybe two hours and cut our losses and headed home that evening. My son is huge 4th gen Camaro guy and they had a GMMG reunion at the Camaro Nats so he was in heaven. Camaro Nat's was OK show but I don't know if it's worth the trip. It's next week and son wants to go, haven't decided yet.

I really miss the Super Chevy Shows from the 70's, 80's and 90's. The Indy show was really the crown jewel of all Chevy shows at the time. We also went to some in Columbus, Oh which were good for awhile. The last one I went to was in Columbus and we spent maybe 45 minutes there and headed to McDorman's show which was going on at the same time. For some reason other than the Mopar Nat's several of the shows at National Trail were a bust. I never could understand why the Columbus area never really drew the huge crowds to car shows like some of the other areas. I see the Super Chevy Shows have been revived and there's one at National Trail this July. I just wonder if it'll be worth going.

Maybe no one wants to go to outdoor shows anymore.

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SuperChevy Indy @ Raceway Park in the 1980's really was heaven.
Peotone Il. &amp; Morris Il. to me are two of the last few really good ole shows left around here.Still only $5 to get in,and although the parts are drying up,they do still come in,and attached to the people who know more then most and are still friendly after all these years..Which in itself,is worth the price of admission.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is that Mark Hassett's?

Ryan </div></div>

Sure is... 4 speed car. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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I always do very good selling at GM Nationals, and this year was no exception. Crowd was light, and there was a lack of quality vendors there. This year they condensed the swap meet area this year and a lot of long term vendors didn't come back. This is what Saturday morning looked like around 7:30 AM after being there since Thursday afternoon. This was the first swap meet in my lifetime where I didn't buy a single item for myself or for resell which is saying a lot.

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I had my Olds in the SLS and there were a total of 10 cars.....including an incomplete Chevelle shell on display by the Supercar guys (both) and Skip's '02 ZL-1 that he drove in Saturday morning. I attended because I &quot;used&quot; to enjoy doing that show, and felt compelled to after being invited by Brian. Now, it is borderline boring and this morning felt like being in jail waiting until I could load up and head home. Friday was a work day and I got there about 2pm. I'm guessing in the 4 hours from 2-6, there weren't 300 spectators in the SLS display. Saturday was better, but still never a huge crowd. Sad to say, I bet there weren't 50 Oldsmobiles INCLUDING the Toronado and Hurst Olds displays.

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I stopped going, except for the SLS. Show has no...pop?! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I stopped going, except for the SLS. Show has no...pop?! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]</div></div>

Exactly! Way to many car shows around anymore. Maybe that is some of the reason.
Maybe also the fact that we have 4 boys from ages 38 to 30 and non really have any interest. They like my cars but not enough to do anything with them.

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Dave,

What year Chevelle is SCW restoring? Any details?

Thanks,

Marty

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It is not Super Car Workshop but rather the shop that paints Brian and Joey's cars, Super Car Restoration with Jamie and Joe. The Chevelle is a 1970 LS6 coupe and they are doing the body and paint for me on this car as well as a few other ones (1970 L78 Chevelle convert, 1970 LS6 Chevelle convert and another 1970 LS6 Chevelle coupe). By the way, this is water base and it is stunning. They pulled it off once again.

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Wow. Very sharp!

Sounds like a great group of Chevelles you are doing. Would love to see more.

Thank you for the information.

Marty

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www.musclecarrestorationanddesign.com
https://www.facebook.com/Super-Car-R...52826/?fref=ts
https://www.facebook.com/Musclecar-R...37660/?fref=ts

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What a honey she is !!!

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Jamie and Joe at Supercar Restorations painted my 67 L78 too!
Great bunch of guys, attention to detail is amazing.

https://m.facebook.com/media/set/?se...826&amp;type=3

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[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img] I think it looks great too!!

BIG

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I think it's kind of funny how people sit home on the internet and say the show is not big enough for them to attend. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]

No, it wasn't very big but it was a perfect weekend, with sunny skies and warm temps. My brother and I decided to make it a fun Father's Day weekend and got a few swap meet spaces with our dad. It was the first time we sold stuff there in about a decade, and we had a blast! We cooked out, drank beer, told stories, saw old friends, and sold a ton of our stuff. Customer traffic was pretty much non-stop in our spaces on both Friday and Saturday, and we all sold more than we ever thought we would. Mostly though we just enjoyed a nice weekend, family style. Yes I wish it was a bigger show, but the only way that will happen is if people actually come out with cars, and parts, and themselves and support it!

We had such a good time we are planning to renew our spaces and do it again next year. I do agree it needs more support from GM enthusiasts to allow it to continue. So next year, instead of sitting on the computer and complaining about it, come on out and help make the show succeed! We'll save a cold one for ya! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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your parts look good Joe. Nice stuff.

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Thanks... We had a variety of stuff, some of it I forgot I even owned!

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I do that at Charlotte. 510 miles away. It is sooo nice to just get away. My dad, uncle and close family friends go. We have been doing it for 23 years. I take such a wide variety of parts it is hard for people to know what I have because they see the Camaro parts and think that is what I have. This Spring was my beat year. In the end it is about spending quality time with dad

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: camarojoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think it's kind of funny how people sit home on the internet and say the show is not big enough for them to attend. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]

No, it wasn't very big but it was a perfect weekend, with sunny skies and warm temps. My brother and I decided to make it a fun Father's Day weekend and got a few swap meet spaces with our dad. It was the first time we sold stuff there in about a decade, and we had a blast! We cooked out, drank beer, told stories, saw old friends, and sold a ton of our stuff. Customer traffic was pretty much non-stop in our spaces on both Friday and Saturday, and we all sold more than we ever thought we would. Mostly though we just enjoyed a nice weekend, family style. Yes I wish it was a bigger show, but the only way that will happen is if people actually come out with cars, and parts, and themselves and support it!

We had such a good time we are planning to renew our spaces and do it again next year. I do agree it needs more support from GM enthusiasts to allow it to continue. So next year, instead of sitting on the computer and complaining about it, come on out and help make the show succeed! We'll save a cold one for ya! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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Sounds awesome! Good stuff

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Joe,
I was right behind you on Sat., next to that red Chevy pick-up. Sorry I didn't see you. That set of Rallys is in the back of my truck now. I brought them home for a friend who bought them.

Verne [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]