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Received the NCRS documents today for my Chevelle and had a couple of questions to put to you guys.
I have the POP, dealer invoice, build sheet etc for this car that tells me the car was sold at Central Chevrolet in Atlanta Ga. My NCRS report tells me that the car was originally delivered to Roy Davis Chevrolet/Olds in Calhoun Ga, approximately 65 miles away. Now I have read here and elsewhere that, as still happens today with new cars, there was a bit of horse trading between dealers for stock and the seller of the vehicle was not always the dealer that ordered the car. Here is where it gets cloudy for me, as the build sheet has Central Chevrolet on it, GM has had the order placed by that dealer? If this is the case how could it have been delivered to Roy Davis in the first place? If the order for the car to be built was from Central what part, if any, does Roy Davis play in this? The production date on the NCRS report is 08/15/69 and the scheduled number date on the build sheet in box 10 reads 53 08-14. So they are close.
Like all things, I go into the whole paperwork scenario with my eyes open knowing something may not always be as it seems. I also could be missing something as a lot of this is a learning process for me.
I'll open it up to the floor. Your opinions are appreciated.

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Dealer trade, then they decided they wanted to sell the car after all-Zone rep was involved in the order

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There is also the possibility of a "Courtesy Delivery". Mainly used for fleet accounts, courtesy deliveries are when a unit was ordered and sold by one dealer and the car gets shipped to and delivered from a different dealership. The original ordering dealership is credited with the sale.

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I like that horse a lot better than mine......wanna trade [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Dan

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Maybe they misread the dealer code on the microfilm? If it was a courtesy delivery, it would have said so on the build sheet. Sounds like something isn't right.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe they misread the dealer code on the microfilm? If it was a courtesy delivery, it would have said so on the build sheet. Sounds like something isn't right. </div></div>

I agree, ask them to recheck the information, it could be when they looked up the dealer name,the directory they used was not current or they might have misread the dealer number on the converted microfiche.

Did you try to confirm that the dealer number they supplied is the same as the dealer number on your documents?

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I will ask the question to confirm the NCRS info is correct.
The NCRS dealer number is 154 in Zone 8. Buildsheet dealer number is 97 in Zone 8.
Interested in any comments regarding the build sheet.

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...psxrtca7kx.jpg

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No offense but that sheet looks like a reproduction for numerous reasons. Atlanta cars used a different format on part of the sheet though admittedly I am basing this on 1970 sheets not 1969 but I believe they were the same both years.

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Rick, no offense taken. I did my best due diligence in 2013 before I bought the car which included talking to the guy who originally restored the car who told me that he found the build sheet in the car. I was sceptical then, and am more so now. There are a few anomalies with the build sheet that are apparent to even a novice like myself. I will say that the guy that I bought the car from was an honest, stand up guy who told me prior to purchase that he didn't think the build sheet was legit.

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even today cars are delivered to dealers other than what the window sticker says. A local chevy dealer has chevy trucks for the GSA and address is in kansas. The trucks were drop shipped in madison,wi. for use by the GSA office here. But even today, i could buy a new car at Courtesy in phoenix and have them deliver it to any chevy dealer in the country.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I like that horse a lot better than mine......wanna trade [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

Dan </div></div>

Giddy Up!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Damien</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I will ask the question to confirm the NCRS info is correct.
The NCRS dealer number is 154 in Zone 8. Buildsheet dealer number is 97 in Zone 8.
Interested in any comments regarding the build sheet.

http://i1216.photobucket.com/albums/...psxrtca7kx.jpg </div></div>

My gut says this is an issue, even today cars are delivered is much different than the way the system worked in 1970, similar but much different. However even today a car gets billed to the purchasing GM dealer and all of the paperwork shows that dealer, dealer trades do not get new build sheets or new window stickers and for that mater neither do drop ship/courtesy deliveries, paperwork all shows original purchasing dealer. Your paperwork show a different dealer than the GM records, that is an issue.

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You are correct Roy. That was my initial point. It seems to be back to front which tells the tale.

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I call [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/bs.gif[/img] on Damiens buildsheet.
I have a few 1969 SS Chevelle buildsheets here,and none of them look anything close to his...the font,the coding,the verbage,the spacing..

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[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif[/img] Isn't this guy just a little ray of sunshine! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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So does this mean your PoP and invoice are also in question as you said right back at the beginning they too support the same dealer details on the build sheet?

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If one is fake, the rest will be too.

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136379A351533

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With all the assistance you have offered me lately you may need to change your handle to MRS 69. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

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[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif[/img]

Dan

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How about Southside 70(69)

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Obviously the inference from this guy is that I have something to hide. Anyone with half a brain can see for themselves that it is the opposite. Something was clearly not right with the paperwork and the NCRS report has put the final nail in the coffin. I was asked yesterday by a friend whether I was concerned that the build sheet was not real and my response was that I was more disappointed in the guy who restored the car, passed the docs off as being real and sold the car, at least partly on the fact that it had legitimate paperwork. I also rang the guy to ask him about the car prior buying it off the seller who now owned it, and he told me he found the build sheet under the back seat. Pathetic really. Make no mistake I would have bought the car docs or not, but they were the cherry on top.
It's disappointing but I'm not going to take a header off a bridge over it.

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Well said Damien....now go and drive the wheels off of your Beautiful 1969 SS396 Chevelle and enjoy it! Integrity is what it is all about....and certainly have GOT IT!

Dan

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Great attitude and enjoy your cool car!
Note the Roy Davis Chevrolet Calhoun GA emblem on eBoy...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-ROY-DAVI...OoAAOSwGotWjFzW

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~ Pete

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Pete, clean out your PM box buddy! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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the ncrs document blows up alot of stories and fake paperwork. ITS A MUST HAVE

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Right you are. It can only help the hobby.

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It's a great service indeed, but remember that the GM records that NCRS uses only state the dealer that the final assembly plant shipped it to, not necessarily where it was finally sold. Dealer trades won't show up, so some genuine sales documentation might not match NCRS dealer info. Also, the NCRS system involves human input so there is always a slight possibility of a typo leading to an error.
Damien - did your car always reside in the same area before you bought it, as otherwise whoever created your PoP, build sheet etc got pretty close picking a dealer only an hour away from the actual dealer. Does your car have the factory original drivetrain out of curiosity?

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Tim, from what info I could gather at the time the car spent most of its life in the Atlanta area. The guy who restored it is from the same area and he gave me the standard little old lady story when I spoke to him prior to purchasing the car off the guy he sold it to. The guy I bought it off, who was a stand up guy all the way thru our dealings, was in Connecticut. It is a numbers matching car.

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Thanks for confirming! Whereabouts in Aus are you? I'm in NSW but have seen very few BB 69 Chevelles here over the years.....

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I'm in Melbourne.