67 pace car 396-375 on ebay
 

auction# 271919272795. is it a real 396-375? car has a 4P code on cowl tag. 269K price.

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Don't know about this cars authenticity, but early BB Pace Cars had 4P.

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The TT seems off to me.
https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...6-img_0754.jpg

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If I am not mistaken I have seen this car years ago when Matt owned it.. Maybe at the Camaro Nationals in Gatlinburg or Indy..??.. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]

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Yes that is matt murphy's old car and that trim tag is original to the car

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I have recall the car in 1992 when it was a recent acquisition for Matt. The car is the real deal.

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So, seeing it in 1992 makes it &quot;real deal&quot;?

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Not casting ANY dispersion on this great car &amp; Larry's is obviously very knowledgeable. At $270k, however, cars need to stand on a firm foundation of pedigree IMO.

From what I can see:

1. Factory/dealer paperwork - we have a letter from the delivering dealer with a &quot;my memory&quot; caveat about 375 hp.

2. ownership history - great

3. Inspection certification - ?

Again, as these cars get more valuable - they need every base covered IMO. Why not get the stamps certified?

Just my 2 cents! BTW - I love this car!

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, seeing it in 1992 makes it &quot;real deal&quot;? </div></div>

Yes I spent several hours examining the car when it was first found in person.

Have you ever looked at the car yourself?

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Did the car have its untouched, GM installed, born-with drive train bolted to it when you inspected it back in 1992?

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I haven't seen the car myself Phil. I was just commenting that IMO these rare cars need lots of pedigree to bring all of the $$. Have you seen BB cars as late as 04C with 4P on the TT? Maybe one of the CRG guys could chime in on the approximate 4P/BB cut off date. When you looked at the stamps - did you determine that they were factory - as in &quot;real deal&quot;?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 66 L78 ragtop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did the car have its untouched, GM installed, born-with drive train bolted to it when you inspected it back in 1992?
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Donno... On or about the date the car was built at Norwood I was learning to boot my Camaro peddle car down the driveway at home as a three year old so technically speaking I was not there to see the engine installed on the chassis side.... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img] [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif[/img]

As to the engine, why not ask Larry C.? He likely had the heads off the block when he did the car.

http://www.camaropacecars.com/Member...rphy/index.htm

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Hahaha - so - I take it that you reached no conclusion about the stamps/assembly dates/casting dates based on your 3 hour inspection of the &quot;real deal&quot;? Just to show you what an old geezer I am - I was likely at Tonawanda MCP when the engine was produced. I have no clear recollection of this particular assembly though - LOL

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No conclusion that I would bet the bank on. Especially when the car is for sale at the number it is at.

Not in the vehicle certification business. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]

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By the way you declared the car &quot;real deal&quot; I figured you were in the certification business...LOL

So the car is a &quot;real deal&quot; L78 pace car with numbers matching drivetrain which may or may not be the born-with drivetrain. Either way, its a nice looking Camaro.

Re: 67 pace car 396-375 on ebay
 

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 66 L78 ragtop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">By the way you declared the car &quot;real deal&quot; I figured you were in the certification business...LOL

So the car is a &quot;real deal&quot; L78 pace car with numbers matching drivetrain which may or may not be the born-with drivetrain. Either way, its a nice looking Camaro.

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Read this: http://www.camaropacecars.com/Member...rphy/index.htm

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I haven't seen the car myself Phil. I was just commenting that IMO these rare cars need lots of pedigree to bring all of the $$. Have you seen BB cars as late as 04C with 4P on the TT? Maybe one of the CRG guys could chime in on the approximate 4P/BB cut off date. When you looked at the stamps - did you determine that they were factory - as in &quot;real deal&quot;? </div></div>

Its funny you mentioned the 4P cause I can remember seeing it back then and wondering how it was possible but didnt give it much thought due to not knowing the cut-off.. I want to say its around the Jan-Feb time frame now with the compiled knowledge... Im sure Kurt or William or another will chime in with better timing..

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CRG states that the first L-78 cars were built up in 4P bodies.

http://www.camaros.org/l30m20.shtml#4P

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I owned a documented original motor April 4p L78...

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https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...9-p1010086.jpg

Trim tag off the orig. # 1 Pace Car. Was a L78 car. That car and the backup car were the first L78's in a Camaro. At least no earlier one has been found.

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that a whole month of production apart from a 4c car(( from a 03c). its a nice article on the car but it doesn't document anything. it not a serial number car.

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Seeing it had a 427 CE block in it years ago, unlikely to be the original engine.

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SAE horsepower shown on the MSO seems to be 51.2 and that is not right for a 396. Just sayin...