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Went to Carlisle the best day of the show, Friday. It is going down hill every year. Just glad I live so close. Did see folks I know and that is always nice. But it was also sad and bittersweet to be there with my dad. A good friend of ours lost his son Monday in State College in a motorcycle wreck at low speed. Jay has always been a car guy and would have been there, but the services were Friday. This guy will turn 78 after the 4th on the bright side he has two grandsons to watch grow. He is the first guy that gave me a chance to restore his cars and the opportunity to work on cars I would never own. Great guy just broken hearted for him.

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It's been down since the Camaro split, but still a few guys I know say the Ford and Mopar shows are much bigger, we gotta stay strong

Clif

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Unfortunately it has been a downward spiral every year . It has never really taken off and for unforeseen reasons. My 2nd year not attending and know I missed nothing ... KP

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I concur Ken. I was in the showroom last year with the yellow car. Nice to talk with Brian and some of the participants, but as for the show overall, loosing it's pizzazz. 5th year of decline. After I find a buyer to take care of Ol Yeller, I won't attend again. Only Fall & Spring for me after that.

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Buildings were full of great cars and there were many cars on the field on Friday. With 3 inches of rain forecast it becomes readily apparent why the show was sparse this year with the vendors and spectators who are not going to invest in the trip for a total rain out.

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I talked to you last year Jeff. Did not see anything for my Z28. Just bought some parts for my Nova project. Nice to see the number one Camaro, but no one was with it to answer questions.

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Sorry we missed you. We were in the area full time and did three to four 20 minute seminars per day on the PA system. Granted..the security guard was watchful and kept onlookers at a distance so there was no reason for anyone for be near the car to watch it

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Post 648170 is an example seminar.

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthrea...e26-#Post618471

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Two pics from last year's show. Good friends and a new, young "Chevy Kid" in his pops 69 Z-28!


http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...psbtv6fcbh.jpg


http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r...psfzsuhekg.jpg

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I missed the car completely. lol Didn't make it to the show yesterday on account of the weather. Showed up this morning but the SLS was just about empty! I thought special display cars had to stay until Sunday. Weather has got to be better next year! Anyway, will it be on display in the northeast again?

And what were the items unveiled? I'm sorry I missed that.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I missed the car completely. lol Didn't make it to the show yesterday on account of the weather. Showed up this morning but the SLS was just about empty! I thought special display cars had to stay until Sunday. Weather has got to be better next year! Anyway, will it be on display in the northeast again?

And what were the items unveiled? I'm sorry I missed that. </div></div>


The Items unveiled are the actual tools used to stamp, correct and repair the VIN derivative on engine blocks originally installed at Norwood Assembly Plant.

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I would have loved to see that!

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I plan to place them on public display again sometime in the future.

As of today the display case was returned to safe storage in a local bank vault. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]

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I travelled a loooonng way from Newfoundland, Canada, so I am glad I got to see other friends and a couple of collections passing through New York while I was there. Because if I just travelled for this show, I would have been bitterly disappointed. I couldn't even find the proper exhaust gasket (Mr. Gasket Ultra Seal #5912) while there. Many of the cars in the buildings were pretty bland...the separate brands have shows that are awesome, e.g. Trans Am Nationals, GTOAA, so why go to an all-brand event? I guess that's the thinking anyways. Time to re-boot, or kill it. It is not an event worthy of Carlisle.

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Yes the weather forecast was known days in advance. Many car owners and vendors planned accordingly. SLS was fantastic as always....

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TAR6569</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I missed the car completely. lol Didn't make it to the show yesterday on account of the weather. Showed up this morning but the SLS was just about empty! I thought special display cars had to stay until Sunday. Weather has got to be better next year! Anyway, will it be on display in the northeast again?

And what were the items unveiled? I'm sorry I missed that. </div></div>


The Items unveiled are the actual tools used to stamp, correct and repair the VIN derivative on engine blocks originally installed at Norwood Assembly Plant. </div></div>

Neat. Any idea how old the items were?

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I am told the the Gang Stamper was a GM Spec Gang stamper supplied under a contract with the primary stamp supplier in the mid 1960's It is a special alloy designed to resist deformation.

I am told that the Repair stamper was made in the tooling department around 1969 as a corrective action to an audit finding when engines were not properly stamped. With the alternator now in the way it was taking too long to re stamp engines in a post production configuration so the repair stamper was invented to speed the process along which saved the alternator removal steps. It is not a special hardened alloy and it's head is mushroomed considerably.

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Interesting. The Norwood partial vin stamps before 67 were small and stamped right on the front edge of the pad. Definitely easier to read the gang stamp in 67.

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After the switch to the area by the filter in 69 VIN verification for audit was conducted in the pit.

When the motor line missed one and it was caught-they used the front edge of the pad out in the repair lot with the repair bar and the stamps in a taped gang configuration-it was faster than hand stamping and still used an approved location.

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I live ~25 miles from the fairgrounds. I really wanted to go up on Saturday, but with the weather being as bad as it was, I decided it wouldn't be much fun to slop around in the mud. Spent the day tinkering with the Chevy II in the garage instead. Maybe next year.

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Wow. Thank you for the picture. We had a great time at last years show. We were not able to make
this years show due to a planned reconstructive ear surgery for Tommy on June 19th. Recovery going
well and after showing Tommy his picture I'm sure recovery will go even faster.
Thank you again for the picture. Brought back great memories.
Tom

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We made a quick visit to both shows, Camaro Nats in the morning and Carlisle that afternoon. Had a good time but mainly because of my son spending a lot of time with the GMMG people. This was his first time being around hardcore 4th generation enthusiasts and he was really impressed. He reminded me of myself 30 years ago when we were discovering and exploring the '69 copo cars and that excitement. The quality of the cars at the Camaro Nats was impressive and it's a good venue for the show and the last time I was at Carlise (1st GM show) the Camaros are the reason we went. They were equally impressive then but that show was better than the current show. To me the SLS was the highlight of our trip as I enjoyed it the most, very impressive and worth the drive from Fredrick to Carlisle. That was it for Carlisle as the rest of it was poor. Decent selection of vendors but show cars were almost non existent (granted it was Fri.) It seems like the day of the larger national marque shows has passed. I always tell people about the days of the Super Chevy Show at Indy and how great it was. I remember Carl Dwiggins saying &quot;everybody brings their finest to Indy&quot; and that was true. I have not been able to attend the Chicago show but everything I've seen in print and heard points to it really being great and I hope to get there sometime. I still long for the outdoor summer show where everybody would bring their finest.

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I agree. Sun and NOS dash pads are a bad mix. The good cars are just too valuable to park in a field anymore.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: copo69</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I still long for the outdoor summer show where everybody would bring their finest.
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You'll have to become a Mopar enthusiast for that [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: copo69</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I still long for the outdoor summer show where everybody would bring their finest.
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You'll have to become a Mopar enthusiast for that [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif[/img] </div></div>

Nah..like some of the Mopar faithful, not all of Chevy guys have relegated our cars to indoor use only.


https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbt...015#Post618815

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Agreed Tom...Chevrolet gave them keys ...so let's drop the hammer at 6000 RPM....pick up the parts if needed....go to the pits and wait for round 2

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Yeah. I have seen more then a few 6000 rpm launches, as well as a few parts fly. Chris Short loosing his clutch, (after several, and I mean several, high rpm launches) in his Yenko Chevelle, the Hasset's Motion Camaro breaking an axle, Rob loosing a cam lobe in the Yellow sub, and Frank M. needing to change a waterpump before the finals of the Deuce shootout. And I cannot keep track of how many driveline parts Pete G. has gone through in this Yenko Camaro (of course I think he leaves a tad higher then 6000).

That's racing, and why I admire our group who really knows how to enjoy their &quot;supercars&quot;. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif[/img]

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Something as small as a pilot bushing -- put me out of a Texas vs. California meet at Amarillo Dragway back in the early 70s ... sucks when ya' can't shift and can't find the root cause til later.

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That would suck...

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: C O P O CARTEL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Agreed Tom...Chevrolet gave them keys ...so let's drop the hammer at 6000 RPM....pick up the parts if needed....go to the pits and wait for round 2 </div></div>

I knew there was a reason why I liked you DP.

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Here is an event recap article. Good news is that there will be special showcases in 2016 Bad news is that it looks like we sent building G out in style...I am told it is gone to be converted into a micro brewery [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

RIP Building G [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif[/img]

http://www.carsandparts.com/en/event...nationals.html

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Over the past 7 years the cars on display in building G included restored super cars by a few of the very best Camaro, Nova and Chevelle restorer's along with some really great survivors some of them coming for Vintage Certification. And don't forget the drag cars.
Sad now that &quot;G&quot; will be done, IMO that building had allot to do with this great gathering. Was glad to be part of it, thanks Brian and Joe, and everyone that brought there cars and morabilia to share.

Mike

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Right you are Mike. Maybe, collectively, we can find a spot for the SLS. I only do 2 shows a year (actively participate) as I'm really NOT a car-show-guy. Neither show is actually judged and neither show is all that big. Both are more about seeing a small sampling of a specific type of cars we like; same goes for the people. Egos not allowed at SLS or The York US 30 Reunion, both of which are most likely in the rear view mirror after this season unless a new venue and a new promotors are found.
As for the racing, unless you've dumped the clutch at 6000rpm and yanked second gear with the front wheels still dangling, you haven't experienced what in my opinion, is a feeling better than anything related to these cars.
Happy 4th of July to all!!! Keep it safe everyone.

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Absent new construction on the fairground I really do not see a way for SLS to continue as it was without a venue change unless they do something out of the box like temporarily wall off half of building T.. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DW31S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.............. As for the racing, unless you've dumped the clutch at 6000rpm and yanked second gear with the front wheels still dangling, you haven't experienced what in my opinion, is a feeling better than anything related to these cars.
Happy 4th of July to all!!! Keep it safe everyone. </div></div>

[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sYc</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DW31S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.............. As for the racing, unless you've dumped the clutch at 6000rpm and yanked second gear with the front wheels still dangling, you haven't experienced what in my opinion, is a feeling better than anything related to these cars.
Happy 4th of July to all!!! Keep it safe everyone. </div></div>

[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] </div></div>

X2

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DW31S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Egos not allowed at SLS or The York US 30 Reunion, both of which are most likely in the rear view mirror after this season unless a new venue and a new promotors are found.
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York US30 show is going away??? I hope this is not true. I really like that show. I'll be going there this weekend.

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I had been part of the York RACE for years. New work schedule no longer allows me to attend. But after 15 years it has just seamed to have become routine and run its course