COPO BE rear on craigslist
 

Not mine, just passing it along.

1969 Camaro 12 bolt BE posi. BE code heavy duty, casting date E-5-9. On rt. axle tube BE 0519g1. Rare copo 12 bolt posi. Make offer.

https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/a...852565240.html

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IN 30 YEARS OF BUYING PARTS I HAVE YET TO SEE A GUY THAT BUYS RARE PARTS PASS ALONG INFO TO A REAL RARE PART UNLESS THAT PART IS EITHER ALREADY KNOWN TO BE TOO EXPENSIVE, NOT REAL, OR ALREADY SOLD. WHICH OF THE THREE IS THIS? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img]

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BEWARE !!!!!! a guy in the same area code by the name of Frank K got me on a restamped BE!

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Would be nice to see the stamp, looks like a good date, I have 2 0519 G2.

Mike

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the427king</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IN 30 YEARS OF BUYING PARTS I HAVE YET TO SEE A GUY THAT BUYS RARE PARTS PASS ALONG INFO TO A REAL RARE PART UNLESS THAT PART IS EITHER ALREADY KNOWN TO BE TOO EXPENSIVE, NOT REAL, OR ALREADY SOLD. WHICH OF THE THREE IS THIS? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img] </div></div>

Chuck are you including yourself ? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif[/img]

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Probably over priced like most parts today.,unless you really need that part.

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Just to clarify my last post...I have pictures of 2, not the actual BE, sorry for any confusion.

Chuck...whar's up with your &quot;CAP LOCK&quot; [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]

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Forgot to mention Brent396 he always finds a lot of neat ads and auctions and lists them here.

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The guy has this axle in several craiglist ads all over the country.
I saw pics. Date looks OK, but the E in BE looks modified....

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By popular demand....

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Wow, that is suspect.


Jason

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Looks like acid etching or whatever you call it?
Similar work of a few retouched/bogus blocks we've looked at here in the past too?
[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]
~ Pete

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Looks like a BS stamp to me.

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Looks like a &quot;BP&quot; (Ball Peen)stamp

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[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img] well that's interesting

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An obvious altered &quot;E&quot;. The &quot;E&quot; is in a large depression caused by grinding. Interesting that the large crater is precisely where the &quot;E&quot; was re-stamped. It appears to me that the person added similar but smaller craters in the stamping area in an attempt to deceive by making it seem as though the craters are typical.

Dave

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969L78Nova</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like a &quot;BP&quot; (Ball Peen)stamp </div></div>

I believe the original letter has been peened over and restamped.

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Very Interesting???? xo/f&amp;#

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That certainly looks like a former F.

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http://www.troll.me/images/crazy-eye...good-to-me.jpg

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Wow, that is a bad disquise, hammer dents and stamp.....lotta red flags.
I wonder whats under the cover ?
There is definately a curved letter under the E...a U or C or ?

The font looks right on , but the position of the E is terrible.....
jmo...I'd pass, if I needed a real one I'd contact Enio...or Chuck

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L78steve</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like a BS stamp to me. </div></div>i take it back. It's a former S as steve says, not an F.

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Or BL

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Ive had a BV rear with 519 date before. The V almost looks still visible under the E now that I look at it again.

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The other fishy thing is the placement of the eaton posi single &quot;E&quot; under the main stamp, I have never seen one that far from apporximate center

Mike

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Doesnt the BE rearend have straight axle tubes from the carrier to the axle flange whereas the BV and other lesser 12 bolts have a taper in the last 1/2 inch or so at the rear side of the flange where the backing plate bolts are. I always thought BE 12 bolts had the larger Full Sized (Impala) etc outboard axle bearings and larger carrier bearings also? I know there was no pic of this area but can someone tell a BE by external appearances besides the stamping. Ive read the gears are heat treated also. Can anyone shed any light on this? Just curious Thanks

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m22mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The other fishy thing is the placement of the eaton posi single &quot;E&quot; under the main stamp, I have never seen one that far from apporximate center

Mike </div></div>

Mike I agree with you. I'm betting it started life as a BL 307 non posi and the E (Eaton ) was added as well.

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Same 12 bolt housing.

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The tapered tubes or not mbx' is thinking of is actually a JL8 thing.
I forget which is what but believe tapered or not indicates factory installed JL8 units compared to over the counter service parts.

Back to the bogus BE, is the 'stamping' not done w/ acid...a Timothy Leary follower perhaps?
Note the craters you can see when looking closely, again similar work to some altered pads and stampings we've looked at here before.
[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]
~ Pete

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Doesn't look like acid to me. It looks like someone peened over the old letter , then stamped both E's.


Jason

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Look closer as the letters appear altered but not restamped w/ a hit.
It'd probably be more obvious to eyeballs and touch than a picture but what's left of the original stampings appear whiter/thinner and the areas added more brownish and fatter also more work's been done on parts of the original stampings to blend in, especially the B.
I see at least 3 obvious acid craters in the upper part of the B also a bunch on both E's, especially towards the tips of the horizontal legs...how could restamping cause this?
[img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif[/img]
~ Pete



https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...0577-image.jpg

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This looks nothing like the stamp on my axle. The BE looks suspect, and too far from the numbers. I'll look for a picture of mine.
Andy

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Looks like a BL rear to me as well....

Rich

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I hope the pictures after wire brushing are posted by the owner, the stamps are better to see. It is certainly odd that the E is not in the normal place and the stamp appears out of the norm also. If someone was faking a BE why would they not get BE money for it? This 12 bolt was under a 6 cyl Camaro purchased for $ 3k last week, and it had the correctly dated BE posi unit. Those are not easy to find.

It reminds me of the RS Copo Camaro on Ebay a few years ago, tired old ex race car the woman owned in Florida. That car had a BE and an original curved neck in it, frost green with deluxe interior. It was bashed as being a made up car. The current owner of this Ebay car has paperwork from the original owner showing it was a Copo car. Never say never.

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Interesting to learn the rest of the story. I agree that some aircraft stripper and a very mild nylon brush would really help see the stamping.

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Why are there hit/dimple marks all round the E everywhere else is smooth?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Same 12 bolt housing. </div></div>

Thanks Stefano and Peter for the replies. One could never stop learning about these cars...especially COPOs. Pete I did remember a article on a 12 bolt with tapered axle tubes and maybe it was about the JL8 [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]

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The hammer marks would suggest to me that it was mistamped when manufactured originally . Assembly line guy hit it with the wrong stamp flipped his hammer over, peened it back smooth or reasonably close and restamped it with the E.You guys seem to forget that these were all done by hand and mistakes were made.Someone needs to snap it up for their next COPO restoration project.

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I have been corrected. It appears that if a part was mistamped at the factory, a special stamp was stamped over the mistake and then the correct stamp placed elsewhere. Learn something every day.