"Hog Wild" '69 Z-28 Super Stock Car.
 

Any chance anybody remembers this car ? It was raced from 1970 through the mid '80s by Gary Smiley, a farmer who raised hogs from the Red Oak Iowa area. Based in Division 5, but raced all around the nation. It is known to have run at the Spring Nationals, Winter Nationals, Gator Nationals and at Englishtown when not running in the Midwest. It's home tracks were in the Omaha and Lincoln Nebraska area. The picture with the name is the only shot I have of it actually racing. The back half was just completed and the new shoes hadn't been delivered yet. The second shot was just after pulling it out of 20+ years of storage in 2011. The car was street raced until about 1975 when it became a full time race car. The 302 was replaced by a crate L-88 in the '70s and that's how it was found. It has worn the snorkel hood shown, a GM steel ZL-2 and 2 Glass Moroso hoods, a Zl-2 and a Pro Stock style. This X-77 car is not only a ZL-2, D80 and Tach car, but also Special Paint. It was sold new at Rosen Novak Chevrolet in Omaha Nebraska. I'd love to hear from anyone who remembers it.
Thanks,
Dave

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A great Div-5 car. Keep digging for stuff.

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Get in touch with McInk....on the Class Racer Forum-maybe post there as well...Lots of folks with pics from Division 5!

Click here...he posted in this thread!

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Will do ! Thanks !
Dave

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Hi Dave: My 69 is almost identical to yours, I had to look twice at the photo.Great photo

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' - - ' TRIM TAG?

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That is correct. Also, the car is now Blue, that's why it's a different color than the past pictures.

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so what was the original color?

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what is the conection with motion performance? That sticker looks like it has been on there for a long time. You should send in your vin# to find out who was the selling dealer.

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Special Paint Color - I wish I knew. The exact original color is unknown to me and I haven't had time to start digging to figure it out. I do know that it has been confirmed as being painted a Dark Blue, a Dark Green, Black and Medium Blue during it's life. It is also confirmed that it was Not a stripe delete car and the cowl plenum was painted White as it should have been on a White stripe car.

Motion connection - Unfortunately, it's just a sticker. The car was sold new at Rosen Novak Chevrolet in Omaha. That is the only known connection to a Rosen. Sadly, the wrong Rosen, so no unknown find here.

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Most likely ordered speed parts from Motion. They advertised in magazines.

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What's the date on the trim tag? Can't make it out....

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Looks like 03A to me...........

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With that nasty firewall wrinkle on the right side of the trim tag I'm surprised the trim tag is not damaged?

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I did enlarge the trim tag pic. It can't be a 03A car, the BDY number is to high for that. There is some damage to the tag just at the 0XA number, I think it is a 06A.

https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics..._nor346182.jpg

The enlargement process moves around the pixels a bit so don't make to much out of it but you clearly see that it can't be a 03A car.

Jan

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This is a twist I wasn't expecting, but Jan is right. The car's production / ship date according to NCRS is 04-14-69 ( a Monday ). The 03A date seemed a little early to me for a 04B built car, but after discussing it with Mr. Borris who discussed it with some of his Norwood contacts, it seemed reasonable considering everything it took to order, receive, schedule and complete a special paint if that color wasn't already in plant. I never paid any attention to the body number... I thought it was 03A and didn't go any further. The car is honestly a true Z, and it has all of the proper punchings for the ZL-2, D80 and Tach. This thing is hacked to within an inch of it's life and will never be more than a decent day 2 car or bracket bomber. Plus, the owner since 1970 couldn't care less about numbers. Time for some detective work I guess. I'm kind of embarrassed...

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Sorry, nothing matches up on the tag. I wanted to confirm the data before posting about it.
The orders for that body # weren't in the system yet. It is not only too early, but it's too late. Yup, a contradiction.

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Jan, if it was 06A, the trim tag would read X77 D80 for mandatory spoiler equipment. Was the vin posted anywhere? If so I missed it. Could be 05A, but I think my body number is 317xxx
Buddy

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I was asked about the date and also about my comments.
Date is too early and the body # is too high/late.
They would not have scheduled the car if the paint wasn't available. Not scheduled means the tag wouldn't be stamped (and they wouldn't store the tag for a month). Lots of special paint cars out there and all have typical build dates.
The body # was the order # in 69. The new incoming dealer order #'s weren't that high when the car was built. Hard for a car to have a number NOR346182 that wasn't even issued yet. See Buddy's body # for a comparison.

Sorry, that tag isn't original.

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Is the tag a repop or a swap then...and what is the motivation to do so on this particular car?

It does not look like it is going to be judged at the nationals anytime soon.

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I just checked my trim tag, it is 314XXXf. The tag in question is almost 30,000 orders later. It's a mystery I tell you!
Buddy

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I don't know why.
It's a repro - those #'s should not be on an 03A tag.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kurt S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know why.
It's a repro - those #'s should not be on an 03A tag. </div></div>

Somebody find the owner of this race car and ask him why he put a reproduction tag on this car...

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In all seriousness do we even know the build date for sure on the TT?

It is likely original BTW

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Kurt are you saying the tag is a repop? I thought it was good?

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Ok let's solve this one. You body numbers guys...

We have what looks like an 03-A tag and a body number 346182 which is more like an 06-B or slightly later body number right?

Below is a 1969 NOR Fisher Body IBM Punch card template. All of the build information was punched onto cards just like this by GM employees with the job title &quot;keypuncher&quot;

These cards were later processed in stacks through the IBM model 360 computer which triggered the creation of things like the Body plate which we call the &quot;trim tag&quot;

Key punchers could make mistakes and did.

Now that number that is giving some of you fits... lets just assume the keypuncher hit one wrong key and hit a 3 instead of a 2 and presto... the tag becomes legit and falls right in where it should be as 246182 is right where it should be for 03-A build. Mystery solved.

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I guess I should check in more often. I have no &quot;story&quot; for why the numbers are as they are. Did somebody miss enter a digit during data entry? Were these things proof read for accuracy ? I don't know. Who knows how this stuff happens, but there has to be some basic human error involved and a reasonable explanation. It's not like these cars haven't seen their fair share of mistakes during production. This car came from the second owner who has owned it since 1970 and he raced it nearly to the grave with zero interest in numbers. The car came out of 25+ years of storage in a farm machine shed under an inch of dust. Do I think it's been screwed with ? No, I don't. Can I explain it ? No I can't. The tag is GM issue and has never been off the car, hell - there is still dum dum in the one rivet. I'm amazed it wasn't shaken out after looking at how bad this body is stressed. Repro ? Jeez, you'd think a little more care would be taken when getting a repro made. Instead of just declaring it fake because it's not normal, how about we try and figure out how a mistake like this could have happened and maybe advance the understanding of this hobby ? I'm not an idiot, and I know you see &quot;Novice&quot; and only a few posts by my name, please look me up I'm member #77, I'm not a newbie, I'm a charter member and I'm hardly naïve enough to try and pass this through this shark tank, especially over this hulk. Had I noticed the body number issue, I sure as hell wouldn't have advertised it here. All I can say is that there has to be a reasonable and logical explanation, so lets put our experience to use and find it. I have no reason to believe it's not legit, but some sort of mistake. This is a $5,000.00 hulk, not a JL-8 car headed to B.J. It's hardly a car worth faking.

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70COPO - I was typing while you posted and I felt I should leave what I typed as is. Thank You for digging deeper into this, I learned more about the process and I appreciate that. I knew that there had to be a simple and reasonable answer.

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You are welcome. All I did was develop a theory - and then spoke to the guy who ran the data systems and followed up with a key puncher to validate.

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If you don't mind, what is the vin? Does it fit with an 03A build or something later? I thought the tag looked good. We will figure it out!
Buddy

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VIN 627007

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Maybe I shouldn't have called it repro. But again, I can't explain.
The history of the car says it's real, but *none* of the numbers line up. I've seen lots of #'s and these are off.
I'd like to hear / see confirmation of the date on the tag.
Have the partial VIN's on the car been confirmed?

03A is way off for that VIN. Phil, still think they scheduled it a month ahead?
And that new body # would still be off.

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Phil has the proper VIN and the hiddens have been confirmed. The body tag date is 03A without question. Phil and I have discussed the 04-14 release date vs the 1st week March Fisher date and as always he went the extra mile and found out how it was within reason. If you look at a '69 calendar, 03A is actually the 3rd through the 7th. 04-14 is a Monday and since that is the &quot;Ship&quot; date and not a true production date, the car would have been built the previous week ( 7th thru the 11th ). So that narrows the gap just a bit. To my understanding the Fisher tag dates were generated when the order was accepted, not necessarily when scheduled to be built. If a major component wasn't available, it was set aside until it was and in this case that may have been whatever color paint was not available at that moment. Anyway, Phil knows far more than I ever will, so I'll give him the floor.

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If the body # was keyed in wrong, did the Norwood guys say how the broadcast sheet would be generated?
How would they pull up the order specs?

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The key punch of the body number was a non integrated portion of the process so the body plate (trim Tag) could have a number wrong and the car's content still got entered correctly on other sections of the key card which are separate. IBM computer created the Broadcast sheet.

Key punch errors are the primary reasons that RPO content was missed at Fisher body.

Case in point; I know of a HO Z/28 built as an RS with all the RS Equipment that had X-77 on the body plate whereas the requirements for an X-33 build up on the body were carried out. I have known the car since a youth and the car has all right equipment for X-33 right down to the wiper motor.

incidentally that car is an 03-B build-pretty close to OP's car in a production time frame.

Same key puncher perhaps?

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I've only studied the '70 Yenko TT's, but even within the 3 week build date I can tell you that the first 15 bodies have a build date of 06A and the next 20 bodies have a build date of 05D - completely backwards vs conventional thinking! Scheduling issues, typo's, etc... it happens!

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Just thinkin out loud. If the number was typed in wrong, would it have been a one shot deal, or would it have been a group of cars? Kurt, have we seen this in any of the other cars in that time frame?

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BRING IT TO MCACN , put it in the barn finds section and ask the Norwood Ambassadors to crawl over it and help figure out what went on with the tag...

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We can do that!

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The recent Mecum Dallas '69 Yenko that sold is another example of weird build time/vin tag/bdy sequencing. The car is an N615XXX vin with a 219770 BDY # within the Yenko order/03B build. The car was built in April with its original 417BE, PPG glass, 110th day dated booster, etc. I don't know how the vin was assigned within the March built Yenko cars but the car was not built until later in April? I believe the ship date from the NCRS report was the 3rd week of April.