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1969 Copo ?
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Yea, I saw that last night, but I am not seeing it! You would think that some of the tell tales would have had pics-firewall,eng.compartment, etc... Seems it would benefit seller to have less pics of trunk and side view of car and concentrate on what evidence he has to back up his claim. Is it on this site as hinted? I could not find it. I cannot make out the rear end code...assuming it is BE he is trying to show?!
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April L posted/inquired about the car around March 2012.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NovaMob03</div><div class="ubbcode-body">April L posted/inquired about the car around March 2012. </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RPOLS3</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NovaMob03</div><div class="ubbcode-body">April L posted/inquired about the car around March 2012. </div></div>
Click here for April L COPO thread </div></div> Ah! Thanks guys. I read it. Nice novel. 9 pages of...NOTHING. I like the fact that April L starts out wondering if she has a COPO. By page 9, she admits she is ignorant of just about anything to do with a car, yet she went buying a race car??!! Headline: Naive girl buys car and gets a bunch of experienced geezers to corroborate a myth. Why put it up for sale until its history is vetted and proven beyond a doubt? Why not invest in or borrow a decent camera? What you have April L is a highly modified race car with more holes and rivets than a Grumman F6F Hellcat nothing more at this point. Hey, this afternoon, I am taking all the "goodies" off my very original SS 396 car and putting them on the yellow X11 out in the yard, then getting my crappy cell phone camera out to take some out of focus pics. Man, am I going to get rich. Sorry I am so jaded and skeptical, but haven't we seen it all! Show me the carfax,lol. |
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GO bb GO!
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The revised add now has reference to "COPO" no less than 15 x's. I guess if you say it enough, it will make it come true. You ever hear of "less is more"? The plethora of inaccuracies and statements lead one to question more, than less, the credibility of the statements used to support the claim. In the original add, it was stated that racers changed parts and sold off stuff. Could this car have a rear end that was traded for or bought through a fraternity of other racers? How many race cars have deluxe interiors and although all other components are gone, those pieces seemed to stay with car? Please, I am not putting down the person or the car, just my observations as an unbiased observer. I have heard and seen many reports about Bigfoot, but the more I hear and see and the more I say Bigfoot, does not make it anymore a fact.
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Maybe when NCRS has the name of the selling dealer we can shed more light on it.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe when NCRS has the name of the selling dealer we can shed more light on it. </div></div>
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The BDY number/ vin is in line with other documented Copo cars. Curved neck radiator looks original, no RS backup lights in tail panel?, interior sprayed black. If that is a real BE its hard to imagine a coincidental swap with a date that is a known BE date and one that fits with the car date wise. I would expect this will be found out to be a real Copo, but being frost green/deluxe green interior it will take a dedicated person to restore this one. The selling dealer information that is imminent will be very helpful, if it turns out to be a known Copo dealer of course.
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For the $20K starting price it is probably worth taking a chance. I just don't like the colors which would be the only reason for me not to pull the trigger. The price is low enough if it does not turn out to be a documented COPO, you haven't lost too much. The car could pretty easily sell for around $10K without the COPO story, so little risk if you like the colors and are looking for a 69 Camaro project.
It would take a closer inspection to see if it was actually a factory RS car as I have owned two different 1st gen. Camaro cupercars where the rear panel was crudely filled to remove the back-up light cut outs. This was not unusual to do on race cars to remove weight. I hope someone here picks it up as I am curious to learn more about the history. |
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Run an NICB on the car ....check date on the radiator ....Keystone car ...could mean Pennsylvania ....a Yenko is 20 vins away and several cars are sprinkled very close to this including Sandlins old Azure RS Copo car Looks to be an automatic car . 6-10 Rearend date is well known and documented.
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As I pointed out in the AprilL thread, it has a TH400 crossmember. X11D80 on the tag it shouldn't have a TH400 crossmember unless it is a COPO.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jannes_z-28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As I pointed out in the AprilL thread, it has a TH400 crossmember. X11D80 on the tag it shouldn't have a TH400 crossmember unless it is a COPO. </div></div>
So, let me get this straight. I have a T400 X-member laying out in my shop. I own an X11 car. All I have to do is take the X-member and bolt it in my car an wala, a COPO? Point is, X-member, Rear end and anything else has BOLTS, meaning it can be removed and switched. Back in the day, most of the parts cited exclusive for a BB car were readily found at swap meets, salvage yards and over the counter from Chevrolet. It is stated the car was a long time race car. You don't think 4 core radiators, x-members,T400's and such were a dime a dozen back when this car was being modified? Before this became a rich man's hobby, those cars where cheap, teenager abuse machines. I know, I still have mine. |
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This car would be a real killer COPO if it checks out, and it has a lot of traits in place. IMO a very rare Frost Green COPO with a black vinyl top with X11 style trim, D80, and black pin stripes would be stunning. I do not recall ever seeing a FG COPO, plenty of Fathom and Rally green ones. This fresh Frost Green/ green interior Z/28 is a great example of just how cool that car could be....BKH https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics..._5601_copy.jpg
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Damn that's classy! Love the contrast with the black accents [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif[/img]
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe when NCRS has the name of the selling dealer we can shed more light on it. </div></div>
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Smoking !!!!!! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img]
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That green Z is beautiful. A shame "off" colors such as Frost Green, Fathom Green, and Gold get a bad rap, they look great when done nicely. Plus, those were THE colors bitd.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: markinnaples</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That green Z is beautiful. A shame "off" colors such as Frost Green, Fathom Green, and Gold get a bad rap, they look great when done nicely. Plus, those were THE colors bitd. </div></div>
You'd be surprised how many like those colors today....I believe, the stereotype is just that. BIG "Keeping earth tones alive since 85" |
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"As I pointed out in the AprilL thread, it has a TH400 crossmember. X11D80 on the tag it shouldn't have a TH400 crossmember unless it is a COPO."
Jan, when you state this .... is that because if the car came with a big block motor and turbo 400 transmission and it was not a COPO then there would be a DIFFERENT "X" Code on the cowl tag? ..... [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif[/img] |
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Again other dates are good also rear stamping although unclear is a known BE date too.
Being a drag car its whole life it's lucky the cowl tag is even still there! Surprising someone here hasn't arranged an eyeballs look to make a deal on what could be a stunning FG Copo!!! Best of luck April whatever way things go! [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img] ~ Pete --------------------- VIN 124379N664166 ST69 12437 NOR352686BDY TR 725 59 B PNT 06A X11D80 https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics...379n664166.jpg --------------------- |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bkhpah</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This car would be a real killer COPO if it checks out, and it has a lot of traits in place. IMO a very rare Frost Green COPO with a black vinyl top with X11 style trim, D80, and black pin stripes would be stunning. I do not recall ever seeing a FG COPO, plenty of Fathom and Rally green ones. This fresh Frost Green/ green interior Z/28 is a great example of just how cool that car could be....BKH https://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics..._5601_copy.jpg
</div></div> There was a Frost Green Copo project here in Ontario. I looked at it but it was too much work for me at the time. It was raced since day one and the original engine lasted two months. I am not sure whatever happened to that car. The last I heard, someone had bought it, started the restoration and then put it up for sale part way through. I have never seen another one. |
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I will say ...if the car is in Florida ....we have troops on the ground .....as we speak .....isn't that right B. E. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif[/img]
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I have information about prior ownership (original) that may possibly be relevant to this car, but I am withholding till sale is final.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bbbentley</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have information about prior ownership (original) that may possibly be relevant to this car, but I am withholding till sale is final. </div></div>
This has to be one of the all time "jerk-off" posts I have ever seen. You've been spouting off about this car and now you have "relevant" "original owner" info, but your not going to share until AFTER someone buys the car? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/thumbsdown.gif[/img] |
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I just looked at the eBay ad....it appears someone pulled the trigger.
"This listing was ended by the seller because the item is no longer available." Kurt |
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bbbentley</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have information about prior ownership (original) that may possibly be relevant to this car, but I am withholding till sale is final. </div></div>
This has to be one of the all time "jerk-off" posts I have ever seen. You've been spouting off about this car and now you have "relevant" "original owner" info, but your not going to share until AFTER someone buys the car? [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/thumbsdown.gif[/img] </div></div> I try to give everyone the "benefit of the doubt" so maybe he bought the car?? If not, X2 |
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First, don't put words in my post or mouth! You are using quotes on words I did not use. 2nd. I resent an accusation of "spouting off"(and that is a quote,by the way)when I seem to be the only voice of reason. I merely have been playing Devil's Advocate, so to speak and looking at everything said from a factual point and trying to bring sanity to the claims. Yes, the car does have some "signs" of its history and claim of a COPO, enough, that I even give it some credence. I am not wanting to start anything with anybody, if anything,posters, here, should proof read what they write. There have been so many things that are stated as it has this...therefore it must be this. Maybe not what is meant, but what is being said, nonetheless. I am merely pointing out, which long ago before this car came along, true proof is documentation at this point. I spent some time researching what I have and found a something that may link a similar car which had a lead to the purchaser. This could be "possibly relevant" if someone wants to or is able to track down this person. I have no "skin in the game". I thought , I would like to help. At this point, I would only help the seller generate interest (while not against, feel unless it really helped, why not just wait till it sells and buyer may want the info) At this point, it may have no relevance and may not have anything related, that is why I say "may". Not trying to be secretive, jerky or anything of the kind. I probably should not have even mentioned I read in older publication about a similar car-in Florida. With so many mis-statements by the current sellers, they may take this information and make a claim which I do not feel is appropriate at this point whether intentional or not. I know the sellers are still learning about the car, but I dislike claims that are not factual, By the sellers or anyone else, for that matter and my responses were addressing those mis-statements, like, the car is an original 427 car(prove it), that is hearsay, everyone here should know that. Same with claim about only SS cars come with consoles-B.S. This whole thing is like a circus and the sellers have made it that way, IMO, by not being factual-not knowing what to or how to take pictures and a host of other egregious statements from here-which I am surprised to see. I expected the guys here to be the voice of reason, state the facts, that is why I like the guys here. A lot,lot lot of great talented, knowledgeable folks that I admire. Now, I am being skewered because I am right about all my post and assertions, you should admit. Devulging anything I may have at this point with so many mis-representation, would only ad to that scenario.A simple statement in the ad would have been,we believe this is possibly a COPO by the fact some existing components are present(which does not prove without a doubt) and based on its long race history consistent with many of the COPO cars and the pictures provided as evidence. We no way can be 100% an cannot unequivocally pronounce this car to be what we believe at this time . Further data and documentation would have to occur to draw a conclusion, you be the judge. This, I feel, would have been a factual, concise description that would have prevented the current flames from being fanned.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bbbentley</div><div class="ubbcode-body">First, don't put words in my post or mouth! You are using quotes on words I did not use. 2nd. I resent an accusation of "spouting off"(and that is a quote,by the way)when I seem to be the only voice of reason. I merely have been playing Devil's Advocate, so to speak and looking at everything said from a factual point and trying to bring sanity to the claims. Yes, the car does have some "signs" of its history and claim of a COPO, enough, that I even give it some credence. I am not wanting to start anything with anybody, if anything,posters, here, should proof read what they write. There have been so many things that are stated as it has this...therefore it must be this. Maybe not what is meant, but what is being said, nonetheless. I am merely pointing out, which long ago before this car came along, true proof is documentation at this point. I spent some time researching what I have and found a something that may link a similar car which had a lead to the purchaser. This could be "possibly relevant" if someone wants to or is able to track down this person. I have no "skin in the game". I thought , I would like to help. At this point, I would only help the seller generate interest (while not against, feel unless it really helped, why not just wait till it sells and buyer may want the info) At this point, it may have no relevance and may not have anything related, that is why I say "may". Not trying to be secretive, jerky or anything of the kind. I probably should not have even mentioned I read in older publication about a similar car-in Florida. With so many mis-statements by sellers they may make a claim which I do not feel is appropriate. I know the sellers are still learning about the car, but I dislike claims that are not factual, like the car came with a 427, as if they can prove it. That is hearsay. Same with claim about only SS cars come with consoles-B.S. This whole thing is like a circus and the sellers have made it that way IMO by not being factual-not knowing what or how to take pictures and a host of other egregious statements from here-which I was surprised to see. I expected the guys here to be the voice of reason, state the facts. A simple statement in the ad would have been,we believe this is possibly a COPO by the fact some existing components are present(which does not prove without a doubt) and based on its long race history consistent with many of the COPO cars and the pictures provided as evidence. We no way can be 100% an cannot unequivocally pronounce this car to be what we believe at this time . Further data and documentation would have to occur to draw a conclusion, you be the judge. This, I feel, would have been a factual, concise description that would have prevented the current flames from being fanned. </div></div> YOU SOULD GET IN TO POLITICS
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"YOU ShOULD GET IN TO POLITICS"..............Barry, I hear the mayoral job in Toronto is the one to have??
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My opinion ain't worth much, but I don't think the sellers were trying to be deceitful.....just the opposite. If I ever have a possible COPO for sale, I'll get bbentley to write the ad. That way it will be flawless. And if it isn't he can't very well "shoulda" his own words.
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I contacted the owner to make an appointment to inspect the car. I have NO interest in buying it, but I do enjoy looking at old race cars. The owner sent me a message that the listing was being withdrawn in anticipation of a certification inspection this weekend. He/she would not give me a contact phone number at this time. The only additional thing that I noticed from the eBay pictures - is it my eyes, or does the pass side TT rivet appear to be much larger in diameter then the drivers side rivet? I personally hope that it is an RS COPO - would be killer when restored!
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I don't think the sellers were being deceitful either. They were just repeating things they had read and been told. I didn't have to be sarcastic when I made some earlier posts, but what irked me is that a lot of guys here are so well meaning, genuinely helpful and dag gone knowledgeable, and a car like this generates a ton of interest, no doubt, that everyone chiming in was not always careful to state as Sgt. Friday would say,"just the facts,mam." This led to an ad on the ebay that was easy to discredit. Worst is, the sellers praised this site, and while not intentional, gave the site a black eye possibly by making us seem wrong in our facts, which is why the sellers got involve with sYc in the first place was to "get it right." Had I not been on here for awhile, if one read what was stated and drew a conclusion that they must have learned what is stated off that site and those guys must not know anything. Mr. Lilliard and others have worked hard to make it not only a fun group of car guys(gals), but a group with credible knowledge. So, when I saw statements that easily be discredited, I got a little honked off and sarcastic. Like most , if not all, here, I too have seen it all...think I said that in 1st post.
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Keep politics off of this site.
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Please keep this thread civil folks.
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Not trying to stir the pot but are you a player on this car? I have seen very creditable people say this car is in line with a lot of known copos. Not saying it is a copo but you down playing the car might mean your a player. I know Bergy and Doug Perry will find out if it is what it is and hope this car will be something. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif[/img]
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Brent is a troublemaker! Freekin nova guys!
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Not Brents fault. I am partial to nova guys. [img]<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif[/img]
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